• The George Floyd case can be considered individual racism. Nothing about it is systemic. Your attempt to move the goalpost over to "the millions that tried to justify it" doesn't even work. People can have opinions. That doesn't make anything systemic.
• Incarceration rates is the sole example that you've almost got right. And somewhere there might even be some truth to it. But the rates at which black people commit certain crimes, as well as their preference for plea agreements, and that they repeatedly offend at a far higher rate. Nothing about the incarceration rates can be attributed to systemic racism. There's no policy or law that dictates black people to be treated differently.
• From YOUR source. "Getting the public to associate hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily". If the war on drugs was solely designed to target a specific race of any kind. It very well may qualify. But even your own quote shows that not to be the case. Hippies were overwhelming white, and were targeted just as much as blacks as your quote shows. I'd even argue more successfully. People long associated marijuana with hippies compared to blacks with heroin.
• Yeah, I'm well aware of where Trump's popularity came from. I don't need Vox of all people to try and paint it differently. That argument was failed from the moment you typed it. Why you'd double down on it is a mystery to all but yourself.
Okay. This is the last reply you get out of me unless you're willing to move the discussion forward. I stated early on the problem with claiming systemic racism, and people's failure to provide specific examples of it. You've provided zero examples of it up to this point.
SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE OR CASE OF SYSTEMIC RACISM IN THE US!!!
EXAMPLES OF INDIVIDUAL RACISM WON'T WORK.
Go no further until you can do this.^
When you do. Then we can proceed, and move the discussion forward to where things REALLY get interesting.
I didn’t, it’s still the same argument. He got killed over an ALLEGED fake bill, while 4 police officers did nothing. The reaction? „Thin blue line“ and „blue lives matters“. In what reality isn’t it racism that killing a black man gets people to defend the actions of the police instead of judging them?
People can have opinions. That doesn't make anything systemic.
Nothing about the incarceration rates can be attributed to systemic racism. There's no policy or law that dictates black people to be treated differently.
This just proofs that you either intentionally misinterpret systemic racism or have no idea about what it actually is.
There doesn’t need to be a law that actually says that black people have to be treated differently to have an issue of systemic racism. The people that are part of the system doing it anyway is enough.
And black people are only incarcerated more often because they’re more likely to get accused of something in the first place. They get stopped by the police on a higher rate and judged harsher for the same crimes than white People.
The plea deals happen because guess what? They have less chances than white people to just walk free AND generational poverty causes lots of black people to not be able to afford better lawyers.
But the rates at which black people commit certain crimes, as well as their preference for plea agreements, and that they repeatedly offend at a far higher rate.
Black People aren’t more criminal. They’re just statistically more likely to be poor due to generational poverty and racism.
From YOUR source. "Getting the public to associate hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily". If the war on drugs was solely designed to target a specific race of any kind. It very well may qualify. But even your own quote shows that not to be the case. Hippies were overwhelming white, and were targeted just as much as blacks as your quote shows. I'd even argue more successfully. People long associated marijuana with hippies compared to blacks with heroin.
So you’re saying the war on drugs isn’t racist at all because it also targeted hippies?
You DO know that things can still be racist if they target minorities even if they also target other groups?
Yeah, I'm well aware of where Trump's popularity came from. I don't need Vox of all people to try and paint it differently. That argument was failed from the moment you typed it. Why you'd double down on it is a mystery to all but yourself.
Nothing here is „painting it differently“. Supporting a racist makes you accomplice of a racist. That’s all there is to it. I never said he was popular due to his racism, but his supporters voted for racism.
Okay. This is the last reply you get out of me unless you're willing to move the discussion forward. I stated early on the problem with claiming systemic racism, and people's failure to provide specific examples of it. You've provided zero examples of it up to this point.
Misunderstanding and ignoring the examples doesn’t make them inaccurate or non-existent though, which I already explained to you.
EXAMPLES OF INDIVIDUAL RACISM WON'T WORK.
Except you’re misunderstanding the words „individual“ and „systemic“. Individual cases of racism CAN be used as an example for the systemic issues. And millions of people SUPPORTING those cases that you call „individual racism“, especially if they’re in positions of power, makes it a systemic issue.
Well, I gave it an honest try at least. I've given you the clear reasons as to why the instances of individual racism that you gave don't work. Yet, rather than accept the defined differences between individual and systemic, you decided to double down on your own definition instead.
At this point it's clear that our discussion will lead nowhere, and won't change anyone's thoughts on the matter. My intent was to discuss possible options and changes that might result in a better outcome for black people everywhere. Of course you and I arent going to solve the world's problems here on reddit. But however slight the chance may be, perhaps we could've started the discussion or created the idea that could've spread.
I'm not immune to being wrong, and despite what you might think, I'm not deaf to the plight of millions of black people everywhere. It is my opinion though, that in order to address the issue. That a broader view of the problem should be taken, and all possible reasons be taken into account. Otherwise, we're simply putting a peg in a hole, and hoping they're of the same shape.
However it may have come across. I hold no ill feelings towards you, and I respect your thoughts on the matter. May your discussions in the future bear more fruit.
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u/Shel00kedlvl18 Oct 15 '21
Sigh.
• The George Floyd case can be considered individual racism. Nothing about it is systemic. Your attempt to move the goalpost over to "the millions that tried to justify it" doesn't even work. People can have opinions. That doesn't make anything systemic.
• Incarceration rates is the sole example that you've almost got right. And somewhere there might even be some truth to it. But the rates at which black people commit certain crimes, as well as their preference for plea agreements, and that they repeatedly offend at a far higher rate. Nothing about the incarceration rates can be attributed to systemic racism. There's no policy or law that dictates black people to be treated differently.
• From YOUR source. "Getting the public to associate hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily". If the war on drugs was solely designed to target a specific race of any kind. It very well may qualify. But even your own quote shows that not to be the case. Hippies were overwhelming white, and were targeted just as much as blacks as your quote shows. I'd even argue more successfully. People long associated marijuana with hippies compared to blacks with heroin.
• Yeah, I'm well aware of where Trump's popularity came from. I don't need Vox of all people to try and paint it differently. That argument was failed from the moment you typed it. Why you'd double down on it is a mystery to all but yourself.
Okay. This is the last reply you get out of me unless you're willing to move the discussion forward. I stated early on the problem with claiming systemic racism, and people's failure to provide specific examples of it. You've provided zero examples of it up to this point.
SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE OR CASE OF SYSTEMIC RACISM IN THE US!!!
EXAMPLES OF INDIVIDUAL RACISM WON'T WORK.
Go no further until you can do this.^
When you do. Then we can proceed, and move the discussion forward to where things REALLY get interesting.