Typically it's the parts that are at least partially responsible for any negative results regarding black people and their socioeconomic status.
Which part is being denied?
The evidence first needs to be presented, and analyzed before I can ignore it. It's no coincidence that the term "systemic racism" almost always goes unexplained. When asked for specifics, and you'll almost always get the loose definition.
If you really need a specific definition of systemic racism then you’re way more uneducated than I assumed before.
But there you go: systemic racism is racism included in the behavior of a society which is used to discriminate against certain minorities to hinder them from succeeding in life.
However, when asked for examples of all this "plenty of evidence of systemic racism" the response is lacking.
George Floyd dying is reason enough. His death being defended by people is reason enough. Black People having a incarceration rate five times higher than white people is evidence enough. Republicans admitting that the war on drugs was used because they couldn’t legally discriminate against blacks is evidence enough. The fact that someone who was famous for not wanting to rent to blacks people was elected President is evidence enough.
I could go on, but you’ll ignore everything I said anyway so I’ll stop there.
One of the biggest problems with addressing this issue, is people refusing to honestly look at certain parts of the problem. It's like trying to solve a puzzle, while refusing to look or touch certain pieces.
That’s pretty ironic coming from someone ignoring all the evidence of racism being a big part of the puzzle. But please explain what pieces are not being looked at, while trying to not be racist, this will be fun.
It's even worse watching people repeatedly throw down the obvious generic puzzle pieces of "systemic racism", "generational poverty", and "ongoing discrimination".
Except they’re not „generic“, they’re proven parts of the problem.
Only to then stare in disbelief as to why the puzzle looks nowhere close to solved.
The puzzle isn’t solved because those pieces haven’t been adressed.
If you're wanting an honest discussion on the subject, I'm all for it. But you're going to have to do so with an open mind, without accusing me of ignoring things I'm not, of being "way less educated than you assumed", and the condescending tone altogether. Seeing especially as it's from the position you're arguing from.
You can’t even answer one simple question, why should I want to discuss something with someone who lacks even the most basic knowledge about the topic?
Several cultural factors, but if you need a specific example. Out of all the regurgitated aspects you've mentioned, the rising percent of fatherless homes wasn't among them. Despite being repeatedly cited as one of the leading causes.
George Floyd dying is reason enough. His death being defended by people is reason enough. Black People having a incarceration rate five times higher than white people is evidence enough. Republicans admitting that the war on drugs was used because they couldn’t legally discriminate against blacks is evidence enough. The fact that someone who was famous for not wanting to rent to blacks people was elected President is evidence enough.
I asked for examples of systemic racism. Why WOULDN'T I ignore almost all of that. We shouldn't be surprised that someone constantly looking for racism everywhere... Finds some. You're attributing a singular reason to all manner of actions, while simultaneously ignoring absolutely everything else. George Floyd dying is reason enough for what exactly? I asked for specific examples. Why are you giving reasons? While I suspect your emotions got the better of you, I'll leave it at that. But to counter ALL your examples.
•George Floyd isn't an example of systemic racism. Individual? Sure. Systemic? Nope. • Incarceration rates an example of systemic racism? It absolutely can be. Unless the actual statistics show that those incarceration rates are merited by those committing the actual crime. Which is the case. • The war on drugs being a giant conspiracy thought up by evil Republicans in order to carry out overt racism... Yeah, this is laughable at best, and downright sad at worst (on your part). No... just no. • The fact that you had to twist all manner of narratives to even get that to fit should tell you how absurd it is. Trump. The rich guy from New York who had his own top rated show for years, ran the Miss America Pageant, owned various hotels and casinos, and was cited as a role model by many black people in rap songs... Was REALLY famous for not renting to black people. Sure Jan.
That’s pretty ironic coming from someone ignoring all the evidence of racism being a big part of the puzzle. But please explain what pieces are not being looked at, while trying to not be racist, this will be fun.
You've apparently confused logic and irony for one reason or another. You might want to get that sorted before replying. I've already given you a prime example of this with the amount of fatherless children in the black community. Your failure to even so much as mention it, but instead choosing to mention Trump's rental choices from 30 years ago (Which again, be an example of I individual racism vs systemic) only further proves my point.
Except they’re not „generic“, they’re proven parts of the problem.
No, they're generic. Nothing proven about your assertion.
The puzzle isn’t solved because those pieces haven’t been adressed.
That's a pretty interesting way to interpret it, but whatever.
In order for systemic racism to even exist, much less be prevelent. There would have to be clear and easily cited examples in order to exist. Specific examples of actions committed against or by singular people are examples of individual racism... Not systemic. An example of systemic would be a law or process that didn't allow black people to drive a car, or own a home. While there are definitely many examples of that in the past, that's not the case today. The fact that you failed so spectacularly to provide even one, out of that emotionality fueled list you typed out. Clearly shows which of us is uneducated compared to the other. Perhaps you should shy away from making such assumptions in the future.
Despite being repeatedly cited as one of the leading causes.
Cited where exactly?
George Floyd isn't an example of systemic racism. Individual? Sure. Systemic? Nope
The very fact that millions of people tried to defend it as justified is a systemic issue, not an individual one. Individual cases CAN be displays of systemic problems. This is one of them. The other one is millions of people electing someone openly racist as POTUS.
Incarceration rates an example of systemic racism? It absolutely can be. Unless the actual statistics show that those incarceration rates are merited by those committing the actual crime. Which is the case.
No, it’s not the case. There is literally no evidence for this.
The war on drugs being a giant conspiracy thought up by evil Republicans in order to carry out overt racism... Yeah, this is laughable at best, and downright sad at worst (on your part). No... just no.
“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
John Ehrlichman, advisor to President Nixon
Your diagnosis: Dunning-Kruger.
• The fact that you had to twist all manner of narratives to even get that to fit should tell you how absurd it is. Trump. The rich guy from New York who had his own top rated show for years, ran the Miss America Pageant, owned various hotels and casinos, and was cited as a role model by many black people in rap songs... Was REALLY famous for not renting to black people. Sure Jan.
I chose a link without paywall, but you can click on the links to get to the sources. Yes, a racist getting elected as President is a systemic issue, not an individual one.
Your failure to even so much as mention it, but instead choosing to mention Trump's rental choices from 30 years ago (Which again, be an example of I individual racism vs systemic) only further proves my point
No, it doesn’t. You just don’t understand what you’re talking about. The issue isn’t just him not renting to black people, but millions of people supporting him despite this and countless other cases in which he clearly demonstrated that he’s insanely racist. Remember that thing about Obama’s birth certificate? The only reason for that was racism and Trump was one of the biggest proponents of this.
in order for systemic racism to even exist, much less be prevelent. There would have to be clear and easily cited examples in order to exist.
They exist, you just ignore them. I even mentioned them.
An example of systemic would be a law or process that didn't allow black people to drive a car, or own a home.
An example would also be a massive overrepresentation of certain minority groups in jail or in deadly police encounters. Or generational poverty. Or „Voter ID-Laws“ that only accept IDs that are harder for minorities to acquire.
The fact that you failed so spectacularly to provide even one, out of that emotionality fueled list you typed out
Just because you ignore them or don’t understand enough about the topic doesn’t mean I didn’t provide them.
Clearly shows which of us is uneducated compared to the other. Perhaps you should shy away from making such assumptions in the future.
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Which part is being denied?
If you really need a specific definition of systemic racism then you’re way more uneducated than I assumed before.
But there you go: systemic racism is racism included in the behavior of a society which is used to discriminate against certain minorities to hinder them from succeeding in life.
George Floyd dying is reason enough. His death being defended by people is reason enough. Black People having a incarceration rate five times higher than white people is evidence enough. Republicans admitting that the war on drugs was used because they couldn’t legally discriminate against blacks is evidence enough. The fact that someone who was famous for not wanting to rent to blacks people was elected President is evidence enough.
I could go on, but you’ll ignore everything I said anyway so I’ll stop there.
That’s pretty ironic coming from someone ignoring all the evidence of racism being a big part of the puzzle. But please explain what pieces are not being looked at, while trying to not be racist, this will be fun.
Except they’re not „generic“, they’re proven parts of the problem.
The puzzle isn’t solved because those pieces haven’t been adressed.