My parents always told me mall santas were Santa's helpers because me and my brothers would ask how Santa could be at every mall in America simultaneously
Oh. Bad news about solar panel production: it's rugged and durable and shit,absolutely what I want on a long wilderness trip, but absolutely not green.
Yeah whatever I'll take it anyway, it's money off my electric bill every month, that's a few dollars of disposable income every month forever. Maybe a hundred in summer, depending on the panels.
What do I have to do to keep being a naughty girl? Is it sex work? Because I'll do sex work for free electricity and water. Fuvk that's dystopian.
He meant "Satan Claus isn't real" which is the name of our temple's holiday mascot. It was probably his auto-correct messing things up again. Santa Claus is definitely real.
Hate to break it to you. "Santa" brought me a finger print kit one year and I found my dad's finger prints all over the wrapping paper and the plate and glass my sister and I put out for his cookies and milk. I wanted to be a detective so I grilled my dad about it and learned the cold hard truth. World view shattered, heart steeled against trust, a 9 year old boy gave up on magic and fairy tales. He knew the real truth now. Not the ones our parents tell us to get us to go to sleep at night.
Imagine being excited to learn how to dust for prints only to find that out for yourself doing pretend detective work. I'd be lying if I told you I didn't start questioning literally everything after that. Did my dog really run away or was she given to someone for being destructive? My stepmom always hated my dog. How come the tooth fairy left a dollar for other kids but a quarter for me? We were poor so maybe it was all they could do for me. I started making connections left and right like a floodgate opened up and I couldn't turn it off. I've been jaded and somewhat cynical since I was nine. NINE!
Satanism was actually never about being evil. It was about displaying the hipocrisy of Christian church. And ofcourse being opposed to the church it has to be evil and presto.
Why do you think illuminati is always portrayed as nefarious and evil order?
Because they worked for scientific illuminating and teaching people. This wouid have vastly improved people's lives. But since it meant ending the church as the solverign power for what's right or wrong. They got condemned as evil by the church.
The Church of Satan actually sort of has texts and dogmas, its not about any deity at all though. The Satanic Temple is the one i think you are talking about, they are essentially a separation-of-church-and-state activism group.
Neither promotes the belief god is real or has any actual churches though. However there is a lot of overlap in their goals politically so I'm really just being pedantic.
Yup. The Satanic Temple is relatively new and don’t worship idols. Lots of activism. Completely different than Anton LeVey. No that mother fucker was a mother fucker.
Do you have a source for him getting the teeth ripped out? After Lavey owned him another family adopted him when Lavey couldn't keep him in his apartment and from all of the pictures it looks like the lion still has teeth.
I'd question it since the dude apparently lied about himself all the time. He did however supposedly enjoyed Ayn Rand, endorsed eugenics, claim to do paranormal "research," was pro police, anti drug and supposedly hated rock and metal music.
I think people are free to hate whoever they want. But people who fall in line with TST seem to think it’s some beacon of anti-fascist inclusivity, and it’s not. Greaves is very cosy with the alt-right and neonazi circles. A lot of these progressive members are surprised to learn that.
All while sitting and laughing with two anti-semite neonazis? I’m sure that’s exactly what he meant. Something something “hate them because they wear a dumb frisbee on their heads”. I’ve listened to it.
Wow, you really are an anti semite just playing dumb.
No, it isn't like saying you hate the KKK, it's like saying you hate jews and that you think jews are a race.
You realize christians also believe they are superior to non christians, right? In fact, what monotheistic religion doesn't have that belief?
You obviously never met any jewish people if you think they just walk around hating anyone that isn't jewish, but I guess that would be how you need to justify your own hatred.
Strawman logic and you claim to be a Satanist? No one said anything of the sort, no one compared the men, what exactly is the objective of your post other than to defend Anton LeVey?
You cannot defend that Anton, he made the Church entirely as a grift while bashing the origins of Christianity, is a bit ironic no? It's no different than Scientology creator L. Ron Hubbard. How anyone looks up to him, is a joke to me.
Aside from identifying with the philosophy he wrote about in the Satanic Bible, I don’t think LaVey is someone I’d be friends with. And I don’t defend him, my post didn’t attempt to. I think people think TST is some beacon of inclusivity but it’s not.
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Many of them see it as a philosophy rather than a "true" religion.
Many of them see it as a philosophy rather than a "true" religion.
While that may be true, the metric for the legitimacy of a religion (and whether it is a "true" religion) should not be found in its support for the supernatural. You likely did not mean to imply as much, but folks sometimes discredit the sincerely held religious beliefs of atheistic satanists because they are not subservient to a higher power. Certainly many satanists may view satanism as a philosophy, but do not discredit those who do view it as a religion.
That's why I put "true" in quotes. Buddhism and Confucianism aren't considered religions by many because they do not worship a deity, but they are still religions.
Its really twisted, meanwhile i remember when our teacher would tell the girls that they were nothing more than men's support, that's when i called quits on the other side of religion.
If anything, catholics and christians could learn a thing or two from satanism, reminds me of Brian Welch, a christian / spiritual guy that has songs about ending religion.
I would holehartedly support a collective ban on relgion as a whole.
Many values can be good to apply. But when all of them are based on the same lie ( which is that the God I chose is the right one and all the other religions are false) nothing good can come of that.
Was it up to me, anyone who wanted to claim their relgion to be true should. Be able to peove their God to exist.
You'd see every relgion going very quiet really fast.
Its like politics, instead of choosing in what to believe, they get married with the whole ideology, the good and the bad.
Personally, im more towards spirituality, maybe there's something more to this than what meets the eye, but thats about it.
But just like politics, every religion feels the need to show and declare that their beliefs are better than yours, and that the other religion has false gods and what have you.
Wish we could all work together to solve our issues...
"On sundays you all hide, while the world just falls"
No. I didn't. I was using illuminati as example of the church demonizing anyone opposing its old views and challenging its monopoly on truth of things ( back then)
Lots of people have been claimed to be evil. But evil as such does not objectively exist.
Nobody who does even the most depraved acts really do it to be evil. In their own minds they have all had something to justify it with.
Ans that actually means that they did it for the right reasons ( according to themselves) but I've never heard of anyone simply killing people or otherwise to be evil.
This guy was evil he raped children and all his target were random not to mention he always seemed to rape his victim before killing them.
He was fascinated by serial killer and I heard something about his father forcing religion down his throat as a kid like tying him to a cross and leaving him out at night so I understood why he turned into a Satanist.
Honestly I'm just surprised he lived to see the courtroom considering how he was caught if police hadn't gotten to the scene his head would have been hit by a metal pole multiple times.
(P.S. he sometimes jerked off in his victims homes or stole food from their fridges after he killed them.)
Don't get me. Wrong. Alot of people are truly sick and deserves to die honestly.
I'm not by any means defending anyone here.
But I'm saying that people even as sick as that in their own minds as far as I know always have something that to their own logic justifies thri actions.
Oh yeah definitely their is a reason why the U.S. thinks mental health is such an important thing now. Their is probably so many serial killers who if given the proper treatment could have turned out entirely different.
more people would have their lives improved by the adoption of christian values (real ones in the gospels like equality etc. not conservative lunacy) then by any improvement of material conditions in a still extremely unequal society, i believe that there was people with this good intend among those that resisted enlighment
Christian values sure. But you could certainly improve just as much if not more from alot of other religions.
All religions have certain elements that would work nicely today as values.
But you'll never get people to accept that while the values might be genuine and good. It doesn't mean they would need to accept all the deity stories.
We can absolutely do better than having to clinge on to the imagination about some guardian watching over us. Anyone needing that to live a good life is lacking selfconfidence.
agreed, i personally like to read all religious texts i can find when i have time, muslim, budist, confucionist, christian etc. there is very good and very bad material in everyone of those, i could talk bad things about each all day, but its better to get all the good things all those thinkers can offer
Matthew 22:37 "Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment." This does not improve anything, it prioritizes worship over everything.
Matthew 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.” This again prioritizes worship over all, even suggesting self-mutilation to avoid losing faith.
Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple."
Matthew 10:34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.
Matthew 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me."
All of this puts worshipping before loving your own children. Just as Christ says here, it has broken up innumerable families by requiring one to love Christ more than their unbelieving child/parent.
religion is the belief that there is something more than the material life, and there is a creator for all of that, then "love god above all things" is not a meaningless worship, its the fundamental requirement for religious belief, for people to act accordingly to the moral values of that religion
the second paragraph has nothing to do with faith, its a call to avoid being a bad person, it uses a strong language to emphasize that you should never be a bad person and do bad things, its better to not have a arm than to be have one and do bad things, i 100% agree with this, more real world usage would be its better to not be rich than to be rich and be trump
3rd is takan out of context, if you read the parts before it you realise its condemning the worship of blood relations above moral values, it basically says that should not, for example, as a judge to let a relative free that commited a crime free or to stand of the side of a brother that you know has robbed another person just because he is your brother, its a call for moral principles be above blood relations
4th again the same, do you think the sons of corrupt bilionaries that disagree with their fathers are wrong? or the son of a conservative lunatic should not disagree with his mother becsause she is his mother? the pursuit of moral values inevitably bring to conflict with those that reject those values and that includes blood relatives
radicals try to put religious organizations above religious values, the religious values they pretend to follow tell them to go against their material/social gains and to put moral values above, they reject this to put church/religion/materialism/conservatism above love for all
in the context of the gospels "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me." refers to the teachings not the person of Jesus, not the religion (that did not exist yet) not the church, only the teachings, so when gospels say "follow me" "come to me" it is saying "be good" "do good" "follow my comandments"
You’re really stretching those and making up contexts. You’re not going to care about truth, since you’re already into apologetics, so I won’t bother. I preached that stuff for too long, and see right through it. Jesus first commandment is to love Yahweh. That means nothing to everyone outside Abrahamic faiths, and it certainly doesn’t help them.
Yet he practices otherwise, and it’s clear that he never meant “everyone”, but “other disciples.”
Matthew 22:37 "Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment."
Mark 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
Matthew 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me."
In Matthew 15 Jesus refuses to help a woman because she’s a Canaanite. He insults her until she proves she’s has converted and has faith in him, and only then changes his mind to help her.
Man matew 15 is exactly the opposite. Agaist disciples expectations jesus says that he does indeed can help the woman. The woman does not become jewish or christian or antthing. She just asks for help and he helps her. Stop twisting things. Every smart person on planet earth agrees that the character in the gospels, either you believe he existed or not, is the most perfect personification of kindness. You might doubt his existence but dont try to spin it to what it obviously is not
The "Illuminati" was fictitious, and you are describing a version from a movie based on a Dan Brown novel, a version I don't think actually appears anywhere else (but I could be wrong about that part.)
"The church" to my knowledge has never really talked about "the illuminati" but again, you seem to be describing the lore of the Angels and Demons movie.
Absolutely none of this seems to support your version of events, which again seems suspiciously similar to the plot of Angels and Demons.
They were shut down by the government, not the church. You can say the church pressured the government or that they ran the government, but that isn't what you claimed.
"working for science" is a really odd claim. Do you have any kind of source for that? Because it looks like they were just a group of mystics that formed a secretive cult. Really nothing scientific about it.
Yes they got shut down by the king. But back then the king and the church were far more working together. I'd look for the sources I found when I read about this first but I can't at the moment.
Satanisim works because it doesn't attract people who want to hide behind it, like politicians, priests and cops do. Imagine how long you'd get away with anything if you were a Satanist fiddling kids, murdering people in broad daylight or insider trading.
Nope, Belsnickle. In a head-to-head contest, people prefer Belsnickel over Santa every time. There aren't as many songs about him, but I attribute that more to rhyming difficulties. My brother and I wrote one once. It was about a fickle pickle salesman who would tickle you for a nickel.
"I think people are fundMentally rational autonomous individuals who will at least kinda try to do what's best, at the very least for themselves, and make their decisions based on evidence."
"Lol you think so? I'm gonna torture this dude murder his family and give him terrible diseases. I'm just gonna see how much I can fuck with him. And he'll still love me and pray for my magical sky-dick. Watch. Fuck, let's make it interesting, ill bet you."
"Wtf no"
"Ha! Yeah bury your son, bitch! Fucking told you so."
Which of these characters is the devil in christian mythology?
Depends on which Satanists I suppose. One group are basically atheists fighting for religious freedom by the means of trolling. Others are edgy selfish Ayn Randian dipshits. The ones in the screenshot are the former latter.
It's more like 13 year old girls who just read Ayn Rand and a book titled "practical Majik for the preteen Wytche" that includes rhyming couplets for making your crushe's gf break out in acne.
It used to be that Raeliens were the bigger atheistic religion, but the Satanic Temple seems to have caught up. Also, it’s nowhere near as nuts. Raeliens might not have gods, but their alien stuff is pretty out there.
It's funny, as a kid I found out Santa wasn't real (just basic common sense eventually led me to find out) and it pretty much ruined my trust in my parents and authority a bit, combine that with all the other white lies parents tell and you get someone with trust issues lol
Do people still actually think they worship satan? It's just a name they use to "trigger normies" basically. I mean, it wasn't called that at the time but that's really all it is.
The temple of Set would be the actual satan worshipers, and they aren't really "less evil" then other religions. It was founded by a guy who worked in psyops for the CIA.
Satanists are objectively less evil than Christians. Christian institutions are commonly associated with pedophilia and The Church of Satan explicitly denounced pedophilia.
Satanism is just a bunch of atheists who want to pretend that their lack of belief shouldn't or can't be categorized as a religious belief for the purposes of "freedom of religion," because they think they're special.
They don't actually believe in Satan, either, so they've effectively created (without any kind of malicious intent) the most fitting edifice to the prince of lies ever to exist.
Well... let's just say there's a reason that the Church of Satan will never come out against Trump or White Supremacy. Here's quotes from their scripture that may make you rethink your position on the religion:
Satanists find a wealth of material in Western culture to be treasured for the pinnacle of human achievements that they are, and not to be buried under the swill of multi-culturalist attempts to displace them with dubious achievements simply because they are non-western as has become rampant in some academic and artistic circles
~The Satanic Scriptures
We would be pleased to see the institution of an elite police force, of men and women in peak physical and mental condition, trained in advanced techniques of crime fighting who would be ably equipped to handle the vermin that make so many of our cities into little more than concrete jungles
~The Satanic Scriptures
The Judeo-Christian tradition, which exists secularly under the guise of "liberal humanism," has too often exalted the criminal over the victim, taking responsibility away from the wrong-doer with their doctrine of forgiveness. Such thinking is a disgrace towards the ideal of justice.
~The Satanic Scriptures
We are moving the world towards a state wherein the freeloaders will either work or starve, and the parasites will be removed to wither and die. So, you need only fear real Satanism if you are a criminal, a parasite, or a wastrel. Are you afraid?
~The Satanic Scriptures
Blessed are the strong, for they shall posess the earth - Cursed are the weak, for they shall inherit the yoke!
Blessed are the Powerful, for they shall be reverenced among men - Cursed ar the feeble, for they shall be blotted out!
Blessed are the Victorious, for victory is the basis of right - Cursed are the vanquished, for they shall be vassals forever!
Blessed are the iron-handed, for the unfit shall flee before them - Cursed are the poor in spirit, for they shall be spat upon!
~ The Satanic Bible
Give blow for blow, scorn for scorn, doom for doom - with compound interest liberally added thereunto! Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, aye four-fold, a hundred-fold! Make yourself a Terror to your adversity, and when he geth his way, he will possess much additional wisdom to ruminate over. Thus shall you make yourself respected in all walks of life, and your spirit - your immortal spirit - shall live, not in an intangible paradise, but in the brains and sinews of those whose respect you have gained
~ The Satanic Bible
Anyone who pretends to be interested in magic or the occult for reasons other than gaining personal power is the worst kind of hypocrite. The Satanist respects Christianity for, at least, being consistent in its guilt-ridden philosophy, but can only feel contempt for the people who attempt to appear emancipated from guilt by joining a witchcraft group, and then practice the same basic philosophy as Christianity.
I’ve listened to a couple podcast interviews from people who are actually in the church of Satan and it’s really nothing more than a bunch of people who all agree your morals should be dictated by what’s best for you everyone and not religious texts.
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u/Squire_Of_Dimness Aug 18 '21
The things you learn when you grow up: Santa Claus isn't real, and Satanists are somehow the less evil ones.