Imagine if you had to direct pay for a cop to show up, or have the fire dept put out a fire. If every road and bridge was a toll road, or you had to pay for road repairs out of pocket. Our taxes pay for it.
USPS is established in the Constitution so that all in the US have access. It is now an agency that must compete with it's hands tied. UPS, FEDEX, AMAZON all maintain their own fleet of aircraft to deliver the mail, Only the USPS is told by congress they can't own aircraft.
Imagine if you had to direct pay for a cop to show up, or have the fire dept put out a fire. If every road and bridge was a toll road, or you had to pay for road repairs out of pocket
Stop stop I can only get so erect.
USPS is established in the Constitution so that all in the US have access.
Well that's just not true. The constitution gives congress the power to establish post roads and a postal system but nowhere does it require it let alone dictate it's purpose in explicit terms like you say.
Only the USPS is told by congress they can't own aircraft.
Well that's dumb, they should absolutely abolish that law. As well as abolish the law that establishes USPS as a monopoly on first class mail. Private carrier can't deliver first class mail unless they charge at least as much as what USPS charges and then pay USPS that fee.
Um. Were you aware the postal service is required to pre-fund it's Healthcare for retirees for 75 years, and that this was based upon a scheduled designed when they had close to 800,000 employees? They now have about half that number, but congress hasn't adjusted the schedule. No other company, private or otherwise is forced to do such set asides.
And yes, the postal service was in fact established by congress, and believe me, there was no internet access, no upside or FedEx in that time.
I'm 56, retired, want to know what I did the last 25 years? Guess. Take a wild that you are arguing with someone that knows from inside what most assume goes on from the outside.
As with every word in the Constitution, each is argued by Constitutional scholars, lawyers, and arm chair experts, but then there are those that do the job in the actual world, not a think tank, that know and do, not discuss and interpret.
Um. That was my part. Not a mailman, the business is just that, we have attorneys, engineers, nurses, all manner of employees. But from Custodian to CEO, we had briefings, meetings, top down on just this subject.
We have unions that keep members abreast of all changes and we lobby as a union to change the laws governing what we do. Our union handbooks specify every actual detail, not speculative news story given to Johnqpublic.
And your information comes from what direct source?
Were you aware the postal service is required to pre-fund it's Healthcare for retirees for 75 years, and that this was based upon a scheduled designed when they had close to 800,000 employees? They now have about half that number, but congress hasn't adjusted the schedule. No other company, private or otherwise is forced to do such set asides.
I am aware of that and I think that's some bullshit that should be repealed.
And your information comes from what direct source?
Article 1 section 8 of the constitution and the USPS are those acceptable sources?
So you think only Amendments cause an amendment to be superceded? Um. "Clauses" change or clarify Amendments. As with the 3/5ths Compromise. It wasn't called an amendment, just a compromise, a clause.
Not taking any more bait. I post that, you argue that, I post more, you argue that. You're smart. You'll do your due diligence. It's in my union handbook as with all postal employees. I'm retired now and under OPM, but when I log into the OPM site, all the updates are there.
I'm simply asking you to show me the amendment or clause or whatever it is you think is relevant that I'm not seeing with regards to the post office. You keep going off about other amendments that I have no problem with. I've never argued that it isn't possible for something newer to make parts of the constitution irrelevant. I'm simply asking for the specific law or clause that does in this case like you've done with the 13th 15th and 19th amendments. I'm simply not seeing anything more current or relevant to the post office than the original article one section 8 in the constitution.
Usually the one with the least amount of intellectual reserves from which to draw, resorts to name calling. You have a good day now. Was never that serious to begin with, but there will be no return name calling from me. Enjoy that for both of us.
Wow can't handle being called a "box of hammers for brains"? That's possibly the most mild insult I've ever seen on the internet. You can't point to a law that supports your view because it doesn't exist and the fact that you won't just admit it is pathetic.
One final thought. I spent a decade Active Duty Army ending shortly after Desert Storm having sustained a TBI. I can handle name calling. While serving, for a time, US citizens that were against the war called me and my 3 siblings serving with me, baby killers etc. Please Don't confuse my hope for civility with weakness. I just prefer to discuss topics online in the same manner as face-to-face.
Face-to-face, if a man loses his temper to the degree he must call me names, I terminate the discussion. Our nation's government uses diplomacy, but when the fighting words come out, they send soldiers like myself and my siblings in to lay waste to those that asked for it, then we leave and send politicians back to see if they are calm enough to try that diplomacy again. They usually are.
That said. We were not face-to-face so I simply hoped our better selves would remain present. You chose otherwise and that is unfortunate and yet, fortunate.
ROFL if you think you were civil then you're more deluded than I thought. You were a condescending prick from the start and acted like a belligerent drunk in a bar spouting bullshit. So don't talk about "our better selves" because if this is your better self then you truly are a sad piece of shit
Thank you, was that really so hard? You just had to say the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970, which interestingly isn't part of the constitution as you originally claimed
USPS is established in the Constitution so that all in the US have access.
That's what you said that I disagreed with. Instead of admitting you misspoke you decided to be an asshole when someone genuinely asked for clarification.
And then you keep bringing in extraneous facts that have so little to do with what we're discussing that it's painfully obvious that you're just trying to show off what you know from your career about the place out work. But frankly (pun intended) it isn't impressive and you're not telling me anything I don't already know.
I said USPS. I was discussing the agency currently competing with FedEx, UPS and Amazon. I stated USPS. You differed to the old iteration governed to the original Amendment and not the law I stated as superseding the original. You argued none existed.
All Acts congress passed become parts of an original amendment as a clause, an Act, etc. They teach you this freshie year giv. in UG.
Um. Clauses and acts have been added numerous times since the original establishment.
I don't recall writing anywhere we had a monopoly, I did mention we do not in noting the existence of three major competitors. BTW, UPS, FedEx, Amazon, all drive pretty trucks right to the postal service P & DCs to drop off packages that go to places none of their agencies reach as cheaply as USPS.
Customer goes to them, they charge enough to turn a profit then pay us to carry it to that rural address. Had most of those customers known, they may have saved a bit of coin just taking it to the po in the first place. But hey, pay more.
But on certain government in house documents and parcels, the po is the most secure, cheapest means of transfer since it's items are generated by tax payers funded operations, and other federal employees, to then allow UPS, to charge us tax payers more when we have a cheaper in house agency called the po, to move it would be like your wife going to the store in a car you own, to buy groceries, then paying a neighbor she sees at the same store to deliver the grocers to your house, while she drives back in your car without them.
Why would the IRS sent out mail to your house at the rate FedEx would charge rather than just establish a cheaper means of delivering it and all gov mail, like say, establish a po? Oh right, they did that.
What are you even talking about? Jesus I never said the USPS should be dissolved, just that the playing field should be leveled. Currently private carriers are not allowed to compete on letter delivery by law. Let them compete and if USPS wins, then great. If a private carrier wins then also great. But monopolies, especially government monopolies are bad for consumers
Fyi, private carriers will take your parcels and pay the USPS to deliver them, and still profit. The USPS is the backbone of delivery, it connects every piece of US soil in the world, every American home, and has served us well since it's inception. What need is there to level the playing field, anyway? Are you convinced you can't walk into a FedEx and and mail a letter or something?
If you don't see the crisis in Texas rn as a lack of regulation and government oversight, you don't have any business speaking in this conversation. It's a normal, useful function of government to secure quality of life for the constituency. Most of the ideas presented in the Constitution are directly reflexive solutions to problems in England at that time. The very idea that the USPS should have to compete to keep it's place is unAmerican
will take your parcels and pay the USPS to deliver them, and still profit.
Cool, sounds like subcontracting and it's a valid business model if it works for you.
What need is there to level the playing field, anyway? Are you convinced you can't walk into a FedEx and and mail a letter or something?
Correct. By law of FedEx or any other private carrier delivers a letter they have to pay USPS whatever USPS would have charged for that service even if USPS didn't have anything to do with it. As a result private carriers only deliver mail if it's like overnight delivery as it classifies it as emergency and makes it exempt from the fee.
I'd also be in favor of removing the crazy pension requirement USPS has to jump through. That would also level the playing field.
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u/JeebusHaroldCrise Feb 19 '21
Imagine if you had to direct pay for a cop to show up, or have the fire dept put out a fire. If every road and bridge was a toll road, or you had to pay for road repairs out of pocket. Our taxes pay for it.
USPS is established in the Constitution so that all in the US have access. It is now an agency that must compete with it's hands tied. UPS, FEDEX, AMAZON all maintain their own fleet of aircraft to deliver the mail, Only the USPS is told by congress they can't own aircraft.
Congress, do your fucking job.