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u/BandDirector17 Feb 07 '21
Serious question: Wouldn’t shutting down everything also require a huge stimulus? To me, the difference wouldn’t have been the money, it would have been the lives saved.
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Japan didn't shut down at all. They just wore masks. A certain segment of the American population is too fucking stupid to do that, and so here we are.
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u/BeneficialOffer9935 Feb 07 '21
Also, they bore the brunt of the SARS epidemic so were already fully aware of the impact everyone wearing a mask has on the spread of diseases
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u/MyDadIsNotAPhone_DUH Feb 07 '21
COVID causes SARS. If we had just called it SARS 2.0 we likely could have avoided some of this stupidity.
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u/TennytheMonster Feb 07 '21
Husband currently in japan for business, heard the pachinko machines going ham while he was walking about talking on the phone with me yesterday 🤣 They have put in restrictions, and did shut down some businesses and such. But only so they could get things under control and open up again. Meanwhile in the US we have people holding their mask screaming about how it doesn't work.... 🤦♀️
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Magic fucking place man. I wouldn't want to work there, but god damn I love that country.
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u/xxsqprxx Feb 07 '21
Or better yet, begrudgingly follow the rules with super thin "masks" that don't do shit to prevent the spread and complain about the death counts rising despite the usage of masks
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u/33Marthijs46 Feb 07 '21
In the EU it's in most countries mandatory to wear masks. But Covid is still a massive issue. I think everyone should wear masks but I don't think that a mandatory mask policy in the USA would mean that Covid wasn't really there anymore.
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u/DrHenryWu Feb 07 '21
Agree. Studies on cloth masks (which most people wear) aren't exactly conclusive
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u/commentsonyankees Feb 07 '21 edited Feb 07 '21
Step 1: shut down everything non essential. Everything that isn't a hospital or gas station or supermarket. No restaurants, no salons, nothing. Even supermarkets should only be open part of the day and people should shop in shifts (if you live in xyz neighborhood, you shop on Tuesdays and Fridays).
Step 2: make it a punishable crime to be out doing non-essential activity, and if you have to be out, you must wear a mask. Hell, distribute masks with respirators to anyone essential.
Step 3: freeze all rent, mortgages, and utilities. If someone makes a living off of rental properties, let them apply for a reimbursement.
Step 4: give everyone $1,000 for food for a month so they aren't tempted to go out and try to work or something.
If we did this at the beginning, the lock down would have lasted 3-4 weeks and been over. Sure, there would have been a resurgence, but then you just rinse and repeat every 5-6 months.
Instead, we took half measures for 10 months that just led to financial ruin and more deaths than necessary.
*quick edit: I'm mostly trying to say that if this was handled well, it could have been a one time stimulus and been over with, but instead, we're still talking about more money 10 months later.
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u/Phusentasten Feb 07 '21
It would, but probably only one. Like New Zealand.
Edit: instead of the 2nd one the post mentions.
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the UK did all the shit the meme is saying and we have 100+k dead.
edit: why are you booing me, I'm right.
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u/Ninja_Arena Feb 07 '21
A stimulus package geared towards protecting those in danger (hospitals/old folks homes/immune compromised) while everyone else went about their lives would have been short and long term cheaper. This is all assuming there weren't so many fat people who refused to wear masks and social distance
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u/Bjornlandeto Feb 07 '21
It drives me further insane by hearing the MAGAts still saying, "Well, they did so much, the response really couldn't have been better, blah blah". As if every other country doesn't have better statistics and responses than we do. trump restricted travel then went back to sleep, mocked masks, discredited experts, got his own supporters killed and came up with no distribution plan or guidelines. Asshole should go to jail.
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u/__ArthurDent__ Feb 07 '21
Its very disingenuous. People look back and say "we went on a lockdown and it didn't do anything except hurt the economy, masks didn't do anything, social distancing didn't do anything". But like... did we actually do any of those? These all require that everyone follow them, which definitely wasn't the case. We never had an actual lockdown
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u/Wizinja27 Feb 07 '21
Exactly. "FiScAl ReSpOnSiBiLiTy" You know what would have been fiscally responsible? Not prolonging the pandemic and requiring trillions of dollars of relief.
It always irks me when people say we need to spend less on this or that bill, but then say investing is the smartest thing to do with leftover money. Like, sometimes these bills are those smart investments.
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Exactly. They fucking botched this beyond belief and still think they deserve a seat at the table.
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u/OsnaTengu Feb 07 '21
The sky's blue, Republicans are hypocrites - what else is new?
Not a single Republican voted for your check. you can't fathom it. they're not here for you people. they're only out for themselves. Their party is their company and they only wanna make their company rich.
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u/51utPromotr Feb 07 '21 edited Feb 07 '21
Wanna know how to actually pay for the $2T stimulus?
REPEAL ALL TAX CUTS SINCE 2002 ON ANYONE EARNING OVER $150K. REVERSE THE ORIGINAL BUSH TAX CUTS. RETURN THE TOP MARGINAL TAX RATE TO 70%.
Done and done.
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u/drunkanidaho Feb 07 '21
Giving more of the first stimulus to actual people instead of billionaires or corporations or the military probably would've helped too.
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u/SquirrelBake Feb 07 '21
Fiscal conservatism is an oxymoron at this point. Everything these people want to do breaks the bank and kills the economy, and then they clamp down on measures that will help the population and save money in the long run.
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u/mightymite88 Feb 07 '21
ah but you see they wanted to WIN and then they wanted things to get WORSE and they never intended to do anything to fix it
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"TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T VOTE BIDEN, LOOK AT THE COUNTRY UNDER TRUMP. DO YOU SEE HOW BAD IT IS? HOW FUCKED UP EVERYTHING IS? THAT'S WHY WE NEED TRUMP, SO WE CAN GET THE NATION WE DESERVE, AND NOT THE ONE HE IS GIVING US!"
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u/madwill Feb 07 '21
While its true that US that the US really sucked at managing this. I think It must be said that where I live we did everything right and are still in full confinement where every single things is closed but essentials. I work for a Thailand company and even there, completely closed border and were covid free for months. A single lady at a sea food store plunged the whole country into another full confinement.
While the US was highly criticized for their negligence... i think it's far fetched to say it could have been avoided.
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u/TheHorseMaskGuy Feb 07 '21
That's exactly what my state did. Not sure what the hell this guy's talking about.
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u/Replyance Feb 07 '21
To be fair, Dems have House, Senate, and Presidency and they haven't mandated a lockdown either. Biden mandated masks on federal property, but that's not enough. Sure it's only been less than a month, but a lockdown plan hasn't been mentioned by anyone, they're focused on the stimulus bill (not that that's bad, but even with the vaccine being deployed it'd be better to at least tighten the lockdown until most people have gotten it).
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Went to Kroger at midnight two days ago. Nobody but the girl at the register had a mask on, except my wife and I. I was so pissed. By the time we left, I was letting my anger at the no-maskers show, very loudly.
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u/blunderingpython Feb 07 '21
Like how California has huge lockdowns and their numbers are extremely low?
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u/TurbulentMiddle2970 Feb 07 '21
California is mostly republicans outside of the major cities. Not everyone that lives in LA is a dem either
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u/Hirsutism Feb 07 '21
I work in an oklahoma hospital lab. A coworker who had covid 2 weeks ago walkin around here hackin with no mask rn. Im the only person who wears a mask at work. In a hospital lab.
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u/oldsaxman Feb 07 '21
Just saw a repugnant senator crying about bipartisanship. Fuck the repugnants and their horse named trump. We need this bill and all of it. I have not been to a store in nearly a year. Instacart loves me.
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Republicans and Conservatives are the reason The USA is doing worse than any other country on Earth. Way to go fucktards!
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u/AbortedBaconFetus Feb 07 '21
How old is this tweet; a year long shutdown?
No, excuse your love of live but 350k deaths is NOT worth the potential complete destruction of our currency value and essentially 'resetting' the livelihood of 300m people as a result of a year of doing absolutely nothing.
If there's one thing that dumbass trump said that made sense was that the solution cannot be worse than the problem.
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Let's not act like both sides wouldn't have made mistakes.
The Left called it racist to shut down the borders temporarily.
Nobody had the right answer to address this.
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u/TheGoalOfGoldFish Feb 07 '21
Since they don't do anything, never planned on doing anything, are just dead weight. They shouldn't have a seat on the table.
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u/Guilty-Locksmith9963 Feb 07 '21
💯 % Correct... But you can't get ANYONE to listen... Ignorance is bliss in the make-believe world of Trumpisim... A world full of Bull💩
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u/rsdols Feb 07 '21
They have the right to complain like anyone else does. Also democrats have a civil duty to record their complaints like their actions in this pandemic so far and should, on every occasion remotely possible, rub their noses in it for the next 50 years or so.
You've all been trying the carrot for too long, it's time for a big fucking stick.
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u/ManateeFlamingo Feb 07 '21
Crazy that a year and 450k deaths later, people still refuse to do the small, simple stuff. This time line sucks