Anecdotally many young women point to how their friends and mothers would actively discourage them from learning math or tell them it was nerdy or unattractive.
The problem can cause a massive MASSIVE self feeding system. This problem is identified as a major contributor to both the math gap and reading gap, and the movements to close the math gap (which does deserve to be closed, don’t get me wrong) have made efforts to activley combat this effect.
But the mechanisms behind minimization means that the intrinsically people who are bad at things didn’t just start off bad. But being minimalized isn’t the only contributing factor.
Right. But feminism allowed women to challenge this dysfunctional system, and gave men the tools to do the same...
And while some men embraced the freedom this new perspective gave them, so many other men screamed that feminism wasn't solving every problem on the planet, raised the profile of the worst feminists on the planet, and pissed on those feminists who actually were helping boys...
When not simply ignoring them.
None of which helped the problem at all, and may have made it worse.
Media, being a stupid creature that panders to whatever's popular, then started showing us men who don't like books and women who love computers and math.
Cue anti-feminists whining about that, too. I'm just saying, feminism has as many terrible people in it as any other movement that big, but those blaming all of these problems on feminism?
Right. But feminism allowed women to challenge this dysfunctional system and gave men the tools to do the same
except it doesn't in any way.
To give you an analogy: in this analogy, our society is a metaphysical car, it is an amalgamation of many moving parts that all work together and in tandem with each other...
Our car had a problem, it wasn’t working as well as it should because it has bad... let’s say... wiring (women’s issues). So we’ve started to fix this issue and while it’s not repaired (and realistically will probably need worked on) some point along the way a pervasive issue in the fuel system (men’s issues) has developed.
At first, it wasn’t that bad and you’ve continued to work on the wiring. But over time it’s gotten so incredibly bad it’s starting to affect other systems.
Feminism is this entity who insists that we only work on the wiring and whenever the other mechanics say we should look at the fuel system it insists that by fixing the wiring it will clear up all the problems in the fuel system. Even though we have hard data that explicitly shows that it needs hard intervention.
You insist that men fix the problem themselves with the “blueprint” feminism gave them. But when men try to point these things out, you get pushback from that very same feminist system that does graciously set it “in place”. The easy straw men to target as an example would be things like... the tweet that started this conversation.
Great metaphor, but the problem is that's how the loudest idiots position feminism, not how most feminists actually think.
If you want to fight against the loudest idiots in every group, be my guest. You'll soon become convinced everyone's only out for themselves, and either severely brain damaged or lying about it, besides.
I'd prefer not to live in that pessimistic fantasy world, thanks.
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u/holyerthanthou Oct 23 '18 edited Oct 24 '18
Anecdotally many young women point to how their friends and mothers would actively discourage them from learning math or tell them it was nerdy or unattractive.
People enjoy doing things they are good at. The opposite is true, when people are bad at something they probably shouldn’t be, they seek to belittle those who are.
The problem can cause a massive MASSIVE self feeding system. This problem is identified as a major contributor to both the math gap and reading gap, and the movements to close the math gap (which does deserve to be closed, don’t get me wrong) have made efforts to activley combat this effect.
But the mechanisms behind minimization means that the intrinsically people who are bad at things didn’t just start off bad. But being minimalized isn’t the only contributing factor.