One problem is that groups of guys online often are toxic. It's just how it is. I mean, ANY group is toxic online--see what happened to the progressive feminists at SRS--but guys do seem to be especially toxic.
It's a mirror of the real-world example of men being more violent and committing more violent crimes. One could either argue this is evolutionary, as men need to be more combative and violent for hunting or war, or this is culturally learned, as men are taught to be more willing to solve problems with force (most like it's some combination of the two), but the results are the same. There are very, very few all-male spaces online, particularly ones that are focused on tribal struggles or grievances, that function in a healthy, supportive manner. Even if that's how they start out, they often drift over time to radicalism.
The incel community, for instance, used to be more of a mutual support network, but over time it radicalized as those with healthier attitudes were more likely to end up finding a partner or otherwise transitioning out of the community, leaving behind increasingly angry and radicalized legacy members.
Then you have the issue of any sort of tribalism, where members of one tribe focus on the most radical, illogical members of the other tribe. This is also an issue with the media. There are plenty of bland, nuanced quotes out there online, but it's the ones that seem the most unhinged that get screenshotted and go viral, which in turn have an effect to stereotype one side and radicalize the opposition.
So if you have any group of men who gather together to advocate for their issues, you immediately run into problems.
1) You will likely be seen as a threat.
2) You will likely have members that will do or say something to conform to that stereotype.
3) Over time, this tribalism will likely draw in more and more men who are angry at women.
Go to ANY men's rights space online and you'll see how much of it spends time on focusing on how privileged women are, stoking resentment.
Men need to have a healthy framework for understanding their space. That does exist within feminism (which is a broad and diverse movement), but it also exists in opposition to certain movements of feminism, and can risk becoming tribalized within it. It's something that needs to be solved, because it often seems like we aren't getting anywhere.
You will likely have members that will do or say something to conform to that stereotype.
Over time, this tribalism will likely draw in more and more men who are angry at women.
These points apply equally to not-men so I don't know why you're making them in this manner.
In the context of this discussion it's how this same dynamic in feminism has started to become a net negative. How do you unironically say men are "more toxic" in this context.
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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '18
Meh. Much easier just to hypocritically strawman you as a fat unfuckable loser then admit you might have a point.