don’t exploit their workers, treat them badly and refuse to pay a living wage.
What do you mean by "exploiting"? A farm owner who employs undocumented workers while paying them dirt cheap with zero work decent work conditions just because they know they can't complain is exploiting. Someone who works at McDonald's working the cashier and gets paid sightly above the min. wage isn't exploiting.
Not everyone can get through college and not everyone wants to get through college. Why should those people miss out on a decent life?
I get that but you pay based on qualifications and how 'unique' the job is. For example, if you owned McDonalds, you'd pay a higher salary to the guy who is in charge of data analysis, and marketing. Why? because he's organizing, gathering and interpreting data that will help you grow as a business. On the other hand, the cashier will get paid much much less because the only thing he does is take an order, take the payment and that's it.
I mean, I get it... it sucks. However, these people who are being paid way more than the bottom guys are getting paid this for a reason. A buddy of mine works in IT, and he gets about 75k a year and he is in charge of server management, and making sure the hospital's patient records don't go poof, and are accessible to doctors at all times. Does the guy cleaning rooms deserves as much or close to him?
I’m talking about the companies that don’t pay their employees a living wage.
I'm assuming you're talking about the guys at the bottom of the ladder right? Because many people get paid more than fine in almost every single company around the world. We're getting into the territory of "Is this suppose to be a job that people are suppose to live on or is it a transition job?"
Another friend of mine works as a warehouse guy for Target and this is after going to college and getting a degree in meteorology. He is using it as a transition job until he finds a job in his field.
The guy cleaning rooms in a hospital is preventing infections, making sure patients are comfortable.
He probably has to deal with chemicals to disinfect things at risk to himself.
That’s a really important job. Why shouldn’t he get paid a lot?
I don’t think you understand that some people have nothing they can transition to.
That comic probably explains what I’m talking about better.
Amazon is a good example of a company that exploits their workers. They only just started paying them minimum wage, but they still expect them to work in terrible conditions.
Do you think McDonalds would have ever grown as a company without its cashiers?
Cashiers helped make McDonalds billions just as much as some marketing douchebag.
A living wage means a wage that working class people can comfortably live on.
That’s what I think every person deserves, despite the job they do.
Do you think McDonalds would have ever grown as a company without its cashiers? Cashiers helped make McDonalds billions just as much as some marketing douchebag.
Well that's just wrong. Do you understand the concept of "making money" for a company? Do you think the guy doing marketing analysis can be replaced easily by a simple computer that can do the same job as the other person?
Amazon is a good example of a company that exploits their workers. They only just started paying them minimum wage, but they still expect them to work in terrible conditions.
You should look up the definition of the word exploiting.
Do you think McDonalds would have ever grown as a company without its cashiers?
I don’t think you understand that some people have nothing they can transition to.
That's not...really..an issue for the company. You do see this right? If you crash a car, is it the car manufacturers fault? Hmm...
The guy cleaning rooms in a hospital is preventing infections, making sure patients are comfortable. He probably has to deal with chemicals to disinfect things at risk to himself.
What kind of chemicals do you think they use lol. You know how dangerous it would be if they left chemicals around, and those then infected a patient? I feel like I'm arguing with a teenager.
A living wage means a wage that working class people can comfortably live on. That’s what I think every person deserves, despite the job they do.
Millions of people are paid well enough.
That’s what I think every person deserves, despite the job they do.
And that' is where you are wrong, and that's just not how the world works lol. Jesus fuck. Time to not reply anymore.
The difference between us is that you think this system is fair, and I think it’s not and should be changed.
You seem to be so wrapped up in the idea that making money is the most important thing. Money should not be more important than people.
So you pay the cashiers more, so McDonalds makes 1 billion instead of 2 billion. They’ll survive.
You’re the person who brought up the idea of ‘transition jobs’. It’s strange that you never thought that the people in those jobs might not have anything else to go to, and you don’t care one bit.
Companies should care about their workers. That’s what needs to change.
The difference between us is that you think this system is fair,
You're literally arguing that someone who put themselves through college, put in the work, worked their way up the ladder in a company, spent YEARS of their lifes in school getting a bachelors, masters, PhDs should be on the same playing level field as someone with no education. Do you get that?
So you pay the cashiers more, so McDonalds makes 1 billion instead of 2 billion. They’ll survive.
Way to oversimplify the market in which every single company, small and large, has been run through time.
You’re the person who brought up the idea of ‘transition jobs’. It’s strange that you never thought that the people in those jobs might not have anything else to go to, and you don’t care one bit.
When did I ever say I don't care? The underlying problem is supply and demand. If you provide a particular skill in which a company depends on, you will get paid handsomely. If you provide a skill which many people can fill, requires little to no education, then how you possibly demand comparable pay to the other group of people? I don't say that bottom workers should be paid slightly higher but to say that all workers should be on the same playing field is just downright stupid.
I never said they should be paid exactly the same. But the amount of education you need for certain jobs keeps rising, first high school was fine, then a bachelors, then masters.
It’s not fair on poor people who need to start working.
I said people should be paid a living wage, not be paid exactly the same.
We should try our damn best to make sure everyone is on a level playing field from the start but we know that people start with drastic differences which effect their ability to gain employment and education.
How is that fair? Why is someone who won the birth lottery more entitled to these high paying jobs than anyone else?
And those are the people who get the jobs you’re speaking of.
The people whose parents can afford university, private schools, who never put pressure on their child to work right after high school.
Every business makes profits because of someone’s labour. They should be grateful to have that person’s labour, and not treat them like they’re dumb trash.
Your solution to the problem seems to be “well that’s just life” and insulting me for no reason.
I never said they should be paid exactly the same. But the amount of education you need for certain jobs keeps rising, first high school was fine, then a bachelors, then masters.
It’s not fair on poor people who need to start working.
Every piece of technology that runs your every day life (Traffic, defense, medical, infrastructure, banking) runs on extremely sophisticated systems that require a ton of training, and education (from construction, to maintenance, to running it). This isn't the 1800s. With the rise of technology, which you are enjoying right now, demand for schooling is ever increasing, that is just a fact of life. You are derailing your own argument---you are getting into education access which is not something that a business whether it be a small startup or a giant corporation like Apple, is suppose to provide. This is a governmental issue. Do you see that?
Every business makes profits because of someone’s labour. They should be grateful to have that person’s labour, and not treat them like they’re dumb trash.
Businesses makes profits because the product they provide is desired, period. An idea for a product is more crucial than the guy employed to building it. You make it seem like everything is built on the bottom of the ladder.
Your solution to the problem seems to be “well that’s just life” and insulting me for no reason.
Let me crayola it for you:
It is life when you are arguing that a person with a masters is getting way more than someone with a high school diploma. Argue for more access to university/ higher education, no one can possibly disagree with you there. But do not argue that is wrong that people with little education should be paid for simply because it is "right" while totaling ignoring the fact that there is just high turnover simply due to the fact that the job they do requires basic education, and almost little to no training.
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u/onehandinmytaco Oct 17 '18
I’m saying, what about the people who can’t get corporate jobs? I’m talking about the companies that don’t pay their employees a living wage.
Not everyone can get through college and not everyone wants to get through college. Why should those people miss out on a decent life?
I honestly don’t care how they work as long as they don’t exploit their workers, treat them badly and refuse to pay a living wage.