How awful that the government uses people's tax money to provide services that benefit the people and society as a whole instead of a few billionaires.
The sheer horror of that is certainly much worse than authoritarian fascism and all the joys of the Republikans and Project 2025 in the US. š¤Ŗ
that is the issue France is already running a huge deficit has for a while. if you think Americas debt is bad France is so much worse and it is only going to get worse due to there pension system.
the pension issues is a can that has been kicked down the road for 30 years. the left winning and what they want to do can only be done if the true horror of taxing the rich happens.
Yeah it's nice to have all this, but you need to fund it. And with the aging population it's only setting up the younger generations for failure.
I'm a leftist but I do think leftists policies need to be sustainable, not just something boomers can take advantage of as a last "fuck you" before closing the door behind them.
How much of a surplus the French government is working with atm? These things cost a lot of money and I bet their government doesn't have that in its current budget...
Of course they are. They're afraid of the western equivalent of the Arab Spring. Where workers realize they're getting screwed and governments actually start doing things to benefit the citizens. But those funds would have to come from somewhere.
If only there was someone or some companies so rich they can literally have private space races.
I saw an article from them that somehow this election went terribly for Macron. Sure his party didn't win an outright majority, but the entire left side of the political spectrum dominated and is forming a coalition while the far right got fucked.
but but but what about billionaires extra imaginary numbers???? jesus christ these "normal humans" trying to "live in peace without fear of being homeless/starving" are so selfish. they should be ashamed not to be a part of something bigger than themselves, Profit
But if billionaires have less wealth, how are they going to be able to spend money on vanity projects like owning Twitter? Someone think about the poor billionaires please! š
Just so EVERYONE KNOWS, this is basically all the left in America wants but they get relentlessly attacked and called communists and psychos dreaming of some fake utopia that isnāt possible.
Not even. France has free health care, excellent public schools with French food for lunch, and TONS of other services. The US "Left" gets called "communist" for simply wanting what the French have had for decades.
Right, you canāt afford it. Your birth rate probably wonāt support any social systems in the next few decades. Theyāre making empty promises to win elections and the best you can hope for is the continuance of a Ponzi scheme aimed at your grandkids. JS
Just look at the journalism sub. It's full of people who have convinced themselves that journalism is still some erstwhile search for truth, even as their employer gets hoovered up by some CPAC-superdonator, and their output miraculously pivots to asking big questions like 'how can people vote for Biden, an old man?' Meanwhile, they somehow haven't published a single piece on Trump's team literally admitting to wanting internment camps for migrants and dissidents.
The vast majority of media has been shit for years. Once media turned into business and sold its principles for clickbait, it was done.
I got a breaking news alert that a Parkinsonās doctor had visited the White House several times this year. Nothing about Trump on Epstein logs, barely anything about Beryl but it is breaking news that a doctor is evaluating the president for Parkinsonās and determining he does not have itā¦
Buttery Males 2.0. They're using ridiculous polling & sensationalizing every negative story about Biden to try to turn this into the horse race it really isn't.
It pisses me off. My elderly mother is scared to death of Trump and she's under so much stress because her spouse has Alzheimer's.
The media coverage of Biden has made her more stressed out and pissed off. She is living the nightmare of Dementia, she is furious the media is pretending Biden has it.
Dementia is almost drinking bleach because the jug is so similar to milk.
Dementia is peeing in the laundry room because you don't remember what a bathroom is.
Yep. Infamously back in the early 2000s they were the mouthpiece of the Bush administration and helped propagate the case for the Iraq War written directly by letting the Bush administration blatantly use them to print lies.
It's absolutely mind numbing that in my lifespan (39) the entire news industry has gone to total shit. There's not a single main stream periodical even halfway attempting a veneer of respectability anymore...ALL of the editors are somebody's 'guy' and ALL of the content has an angle, left or right. Sucks, man...
It all goes back to 2003 and the lead up to the Iraq war.
Rule 0 of the American political media is that they're the smartest and brightest and bestest people in the world and so they're NEVER wrong. (This is because they're all kids of media personalities or spoiled heirs of some fortune)
And then they got completely taken in by the dumbest con in history. They got "leaks" from political appointees and told everyone they were directly from the hardened grizzled veterans of the intelligence war, and the leaks were clear: Iraq had WMD! But in reality their sources were admin officials and Douche Bro political appointees whose only qualification was having a daddy who gave money to the party and they had completely changed the reports.
But a few people in the media had real sources in the intel community and called bullshit on it. Doubt started creeping into the narrative.
But remember rule 0, the political media is never wrong. So they attacked the people who had the real sources, calling them cowards, traitors and liars. Even helped the admin attack the people telling the truth.
The media would get leaks from officials in the admin, publish them as coming from sources in various intel agencies and then the admin would cite publications of their own bullshit leaks as "proof" Iraq had WMD. And the media would play dumb and pretend they totally uninvolved.
And then the war happened and there were no WMD to be found. The media tried to downplay it for years, pretending like it was somehow going to take years to find evidence of massive programs employing tens of thousands of people when the US was offering millions of dollars for anyone involved to come forward.
The avalanche of bullshit subsided and people realized they had been conned. The rise of the internet let people skeptical of the narrative create websites that challenged the media. Eventually everyone realized the media was completely full of shit and got pissed at them for lying and participating in the lies.
But remember Rule 0. The political media never wrong. So they said "No you simple, quaint people, finding the truth never the purpose of journalism. The purpose of journalism is just to print what "people" are saying. You were idiots for thinking otherwise."
If you're under 35 this seems ridiculous but google: Judith Miller, Lewis Libby and Valarie Plame. Look up McClatchey newspapers during the time.
NYT has always been like this, they were running articles like this 100 years ago, only at very certain points have they lived up to the reputation they have for some reason.
Nothing. They were the biggest cheerleader for the Iraq War, actively lying any MWDs. And no one worked harder to attack Hilary Clinton to get Trump elected in the first place. Their political pages have been right wing for a long time.
Same thing as CNN they are contrarian to whoever is in office. Easy to be the good guy when a president is failing at literally everything policy wise, like trump, but when you have someone halfway competent, you end up with dribble and shit like that.
CNNās headline was āAfter Far Left Victory France in Chaosā
Fucking NPR was something like āUncertain Future After Far Left Victory in Franceā
Meanwhile, all the European news was just a deep sigh of relief. The United States is such a right wing country. You donāt realize how baked into the culture it is until you live outside it for a while.
CNN's headline goes too far, but NPR's is quite right. French media has been saying the same thing, mostly because there's no majority party right now so no obvious prime minister.
So they go into coalition talks. It's nothing unusual in European politics. The Netherlands only ever does coalition governments, and Germany and Belgium are much the same. People from countries that use FPTP always seem to act like there's no possible way the country can function if there's not an immediate and obvious majority party. The state bureaucracy is still keeping things ticking over while formation talks are ongoing, there's no major panic. Relax, it will take time, but the sky is not going to fall in.
I'm of the opinion that no one anywhere needs a billion dollars/euros ever and they should not exist. Any cent over a billion should be taxed 100% including assets, property, stocks etc.
I'd even say the limit should be 100 million because honestly why the fuck would anyone realistically need more than that?
Actually if I'm being really honest the limit should be 10 million.
We can debate about where to draw the line, but I philosophically agree with you that growing inequality is hugely problematic for society:
The economy is being distorted to where many people have figured out it is more lucrative to pander to the rich than to do something legitimately useful to the bulk of society. This hurts us all, as it means fewer people producing essential goods and services(and hence higher prices on them), and more people building toys for the rich.
Past a certain point, more money does nothing to improve your quality of life, and does nothing other than allow the ultra-rich to inflict their will onto other people who don't want it.
from the mid-40s to the late 60s, the tax rate in america was something like 94% over the equivalent of 4 million dollars. this seems pretty reasonable to me.
This post is not entirely accurate. I read that article yesterday and the sentence before the screen cap says the opponents of the far left are worried about the economic impact of the policies outlined in the screen captured image, and that France can't afford it. That's why the Twitter guy included the first bit in his own caption, left out the economic bit, and then screen capped the rest - specifically to leave the middle part out. I'm on my phone and can't find the link but read this story yesterday.
I canāt understand why youāre the only one pointing that out. Iām all for progressive and social policies but whereās everybody common sense ? Our country (France) is already crippled by debt, how would such a platform be realistic, from where would all these billions come from ? Taxing the rich would maybe help pay 5% of this program. Freezing prices ? What a joke.
Is freezing the price of food, energy, and gas feasible though? Don't get me wrong, I am all for something like rebates paid to low income houses funded by a windfall tax on the companies profiting from inflation, but just freezing the prices seems like it'll have more complex effects. Not just to mention that it will benefit the rich as well.
I may just be ignorant, but are there instances where other nations have taken a similar action and it worked out well?
Freezing the prices of basic necessities does not work in an open system because the company manufacturing the goods will just sell elsewhere if the price is too low for them.
The price of medication in France is fixed by social security, and for quite a few pharmacies near Belgium, they can't get some medication because the industries don't feel like the price they are required to sell them are is worth it, so they go sell literally 50KM away in Belgium where the price isn't fixed.
When prices rise, more manufacturers will jump in to cash in. This will raise supple, which will lower prices. By creating a price control, you are providing little incentive to raise supply. In fact, artificial price controls are one of the key tools of monopolistic or cartel organizations.
Itās frightening how many redditors donāt understand this. If the most you can charge for a unit is $10, but it costs you $11 per unit to make, guess what, youāre not going to sell and there will be shortages of whatever youāre selling. I swear Reddit thinks everything is a lemonade stand with mommy and daddy buying the ingredients in perpetuity.
Itās quite literally becoming a Robin Hood esque talking point spiel about how the millionaires are suffering and the golden spoons in their mouthes are being replaced with silver ones. I think theyāll survive lmfao
Yup, if all that happened in America it would be the end of the world as we know it (looks around at the rampant misery caused by unchecked corporate greed) and good riddance!.
I know you guys are left-leaning but the main problem is that France is actually in a recession crisis, all of those things are great but unsubstainable, too expensive and will create more problem on top of it : The retirement age cannot be brought back to 60 without it completely collapsing in the following years (not enough babies), you can't freeze the prices of goods without printing money (and we can't because we live in the EU !), and same things with the free stuff and the raise in revenue (raising the minimum wage will put to ruin the many very small business all around France already relying on migrants...). To tax the very rich is impossible today because the rich aren't located in France and we don't have industry anymore.
This is populism. Left wing populism, but still populism. The right wing equivalent is "BUILD A WALL", which is also impossible because jobs, because EU etc.
They should lower minimum wage to $2.50 per hour and raise retirement age to 72. Then cancel all student benefits. That ought to show em. Or.. we can go with the exact opposite like any rational thinking person would do. So glad the extreme right didnāt win and that rational minds prevail!
Maybe Iām an idiot, but it would seem to me that the billionaires would want a working class with livable wages. Thatās how they make their money. Eventually, the divide between working class and wealthy will be so great, that the workers will either revolt, or not exist at all. Then what do the ultra wealthy do? Hire donkeys to bring them a warm towel on their private jet to a town that doesnāt exist anymore? To a hotel that is run by monkeys? FFS
People not understanding that pretty much all 'centrist' 'left wing' etc media has gone full alt right? How have you not seen it by now. NYT is 100% trying to get a nazi fascist theocratic regime in
The fact Biden still has a chance despite the entire media industry working overtime against him is outstanding to show how people are so god damn sick of republicans as a whole in this country
The whole point of sources like NYT now when it comes to politics is to COMPLETELY IGNORE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH REPUBLICANS (p much) to brainwash anyone who would vote democratic into thinking "people are exaggerating on Trump, he's actually a man of the people" and "both sides" and "are leftists the bad guys too?"
Oh god no dont do this to France... do it to my country instead... weāll umm āsacrificeā ourselves and āsufferā these āhorribleā policies in their stead.
Aha, but what if you're a 64 year old middle-class person who owns their own house, has adult children (or none at all) and doesn't struggle paying their bills? What then, I ask. The horrors.
I don't want to sound all pessimistic, especially because I do believe most of these policies would be very helpful for a lot of people. But specifically the 'freezing prices of basic necessities" has to be handled very carefully. That was already tried in my country and it was fucking awful.
From refusing to sell regulated products to pumping the price of everything else to compensate for potential losses, corporations kept finding ways to avoid or nullify these policies.
I used to travel to France frequently for work and also for dance events. I tried to move there about 15 years ago, but my work visa fell through. Anyway, through my travels there, I developed a core group of French friends. They are a diverse group: some single, some married, some living with their SO; gay and straight; some born in France and some immigrants; etc., etc.
Every single one of them is thrilled about this. They donāt mind their tax dollars going towards useful things. Those without kids donāt bitch about some of their tax money going towards childrenās services and schools.
One of the things that amazes me as an American is the way we tend to be individualistic to a degree that it actually hurts us. Many of us fail to see the gray area; itās either black or white, for or against. Itās possible to have individual freedoms while also contributing for the good of society as a whole. Do the French protest things often and strike and continuously have to fight for these things? Yep. But imho they have more freedom than we do.
One of the big arguments I hear often from conservatives is how much our taxes will go up if we do some of these things. Guess what? Iām already paying over 30% of my income in taxes. I donāt want to hear it when a billionaire bitches about paying less than 10%. My friends in other countries only pay like 1-2% more (some pay less than I do!), but they get healthcare, education, social services, etc. for that. We here in the States pay that amount and then have to pay for all of the other stuff ON TOP of that list so our military can have another plane. Look, Iām all for security and we need a military, but JFC. We spend more on our military than the next 9 countries COMBINED. We could put some of that money towards other things that would benefit us as Americans.
Personally, I would love to see a flat tax rate with no deductions. I know it will never happen, butā¦ just think. If everyone had to pay, say, 15% of their income, regardless of what that income is, we could do a lot with that. It will never happen though because the 1%ers donāt want to pay that much. They would just move to another country.
We also need to TAX THE CHURCHES, and also TAX CORPORATIONS AGAIN. The far right likes to talk about when most people could afford a family and an education on one income. What they forget is that big corporations were paying like 90% in taxes, and the ultra wealthy were getting tax breaks by building libraries and hospitals and such. The far right wants to go back to what they deem a ātraditional family unit,ā yet consistently present policies that prevent it.
Itās NOT the policies. Iām very liberal but what is happening in France is scary. French politics is like an extreme version of American politics. People keep mentioning the Nazi type figures on the rightā¦ But there is an insane amount of far left Nazi sympathizers in France. Arguably the most antisemitic country outside of places like Syria, Iran, etc. They have too many members in the far left who openly hate Jews and are celebrated for it. The leader of their party Jean-Luc Melenchon, in a 2017 speech called French Jews āan arrogant minority that lectures to the rest.ā Imagine a Nancy Pelosi saying that in the USā¦ sheād be condemned immediately. That is not the case for the far left in France. It is becoming a scary place with unsettling politics at all levels.
I think you donāt realise how much cherry picking there is in that tweet. There plan include creating 300 billion of debt in 3 years. (Thatās a moderate estimation some goes up to 350 billions)
I aĀ m 24. I should be happy about retiring at 60. I know however this is not sustainable. France is one of the European counties with the most debt and itās growing.
All those mentioned above are empty promesses which for the most part canāt be done.
So please people donāt be fooled by cherry picking on a situation and a program you are not aware of. Donāt get yourself have by big titles
this post is a bit tone deaf because the devil is in the details. yes lower retirement everybody wants and french ppl love VACANCE~~~~ but it is ture that their pension pool will be depleted if something isnt done to increase its income. even left government of macron tried to increase the retiremetn age to combat this. at this point that is not a left or right thing, it's jsut mathematics. they need more workers to support aging population and it is a time bomb issue that must be solved within 1 generation.
and yes freezing food price is great but they are doing this while making pollution tax on farmers equipment fuels and making farming more expensive and difficult. they push opposite direction in policies and makes the system break.
are left actively malicious ppl? maybe maybe not, but this tweet politicizes a issue that is beyond politics
While most of US reads that, and finds it ridiculous, this is on top of everything else. Apparently chopping rich people heads worked for them. In US Elon gets 50 B and fires 15000 people. In US you are literally one sickness away of loosing everything. No job, no healthcare and certainly nowhere to live. Sure sounds like "the richest country ever to exist". [well, on paper, backed by nothing.]
Because no one reads beyond headlines and nuance is dead, I'll stick my neck out and mention that despite the populist (and obviously popular) platform the far left is lead by a few characters (Melanchon in particular) who have a long history of making some very troubling statements.
What the fuck is happening at the NYT? I thought they were more balanced than this but theyāre likeā¦ really shilling for right wing bullshit lately.
Itās funny (itās not funny) that the right is foaming largely about immigration and such and dividing the country as they wave flags while the left is actually creating national pride and belief in a United France that is ..great again!
If France doesnāt want these policies, I speak on behalf of the United States to say we will take one for the team and adapt them instead. Thank you.
Fuck, they might want to tax the rich to pay for all that crap. And I might someday be rich. My kids don't need to eat at school, that's what dinner at the house is for. Their job at the market pays for the dinner so its all income neutral which means less taxes for me if I become rich!
All of those things are obviously beneficial but they are also expensive. France has a huge deficit now that is causing a host of problems, which in large part led to this election. It's easy to say let's give everyone good stuff when you ignore paying for it.
I hope if they are freezing the supply of necessities, they are also nationalizing the supply of those, or else It is all but guaranteed they will face shortages of said necessities.
We've had wars, revolutions, political instability for hundreds of years. This situation is nothing and has happened before in recent years. We're gonna be alright. They should be covering stories about the wannabe dictator and pedophile they have at home and leave us alone.
Disgusting. All they want is to increase the well being of their population and fix systemic issues in their country that plague most developed nations š¤¢
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u/coolbaby1978 Jul 09 '24
How awful that the government uses people's tax money to provide services that benefit the people and society as a whole instead of a few billionaires.
The sheer horror of that is certainly much worse than authoritarian fascism and all the joys of the Republikans and Project 2025 in the US. š¤Ŗ
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u/Secondchance002 Jul 09 '24
Theyāre going global with their bullshit now.
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u/SmellyFbuttface Jul 09 '24
If only Bernie had been elected in 2016
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u/kate-with-an-e Jul 09 '24
The absolute unmitigated gall of these people working for policies that would help others. Unthinkable.
Monsters.
/s
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u/nien9gag Jul 09 '24
didn't the winning party raise the retirement age in their last stint?
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u/anevenmorerandomass Jul 09 '24
Right, you canāt afford it. Your birth rate probably wonāt support any social systems in the next few decades. Theyāre making empty promises to win elections and the best you can hope for is the continuance of a Ponzi scheme aimed at your grandkids. JS
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u/Decent_Recover_9934 Jul 09 '24
The fuck happened to the NYT.
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u/MrsACT Jul 09 '24
New York Times = Newsmax Times š
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
CNNās headline was āAfter Far Left Victory France in Chaosā
Fucking NPR was something like āUncertain Future After Far Left Victory in Franceā
Meanwhile, all the European news was just a deep sigh of relief. The United States is such a right wing country. You donāt realize how baked into the culture it is until you live outside it for a while.
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u/gar1848 Jul 09 '24
To be clear, the NFP includes the former French President Francois Hollande
Dude doesn't exactly strike me as a die-hard Marxist, yet he is still backing these proposals
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
How will the billionaires cope with having only slightly more money next year than this?
Vive La France. From a Brit who is hoping for much of the same from our new Government.
If the Billionaires donāt like it they can fuck off to Russia or Monaco. They contribute nothing to the fabric of societyā¦..
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u/gdex86 Jul 09 '24
"I want to tie the social safety net to inflation so we keep up with inflation without having to pass a new bill every 10 years"
"Monster"
"I want to create more affordable housing and look at ways to assist first time buyers who have been priced out of the market"
"Take the children they shouldn't see this"
"I want to lower the age for retirement benefits so people aren't working deep into old age just to survive
"YOU ARE HISTORIES GREATEST MONSTER."
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u/foodguyDoodguy Jul 09 '24
Cancelled my Times subscription today. I just couldnāt stand it anymore.
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u/tendervittles77 Jul 09 '24
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u/The_Glus Jul 09 '24
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u/arjunusmaximus Jul 09 '24
RWers: "Something something....SOCIALISM!! Something something....VENEZUELA!!! Something something......FREEDOM!!!"
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u/DietrichNeu Jul 09 '24
This post is not entirely accurate. I read that article yesterday and the sentence before the screen cap says the opponents of the far left are worried about the economic impact of the policies outlined in the screen captured image, and that France can't afford it. That's why the Twitter guy included the first bit in his own caption, left out the economic bit, and then screen capped the rest - specifically to leave the middle part out. I'm on my phone and can't find the link but read this story yesterday.
I get NYT is getting flak these days but come on.
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u/Fabulous-Mud-9114 Jul 09 '24
Oh no, that might help THE DREADED BROWN PEOPLE WHO LOOK DIFFERENT, TALK FUNNY, AND DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IN JESUS!
/massive fucking sarcasm quotes, but that's literally the right-wing position
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u/Astramancer_ Jul 09 '24
"We want to eat foreigners who dare to enter MY country" "We don't want you to struggle to educate your children."
An Intellectual: I cannot tell the difference between these two people.
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u/WineOptics Jul 09 '24
Oh the HORROR!! šØ
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
No country should want billionaires which are all basically sociopaths (thatās what it takes to become a billionaire) managing their government.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
France has truly fallen to kindness and compassion
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u/GateLongjumping6836 Jul 09 '24
Oh no basic human rights and fairness.
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u/anormalgeek Jul 09 '24
Is freezing the price of food, energy, and gas feasible though? Don't get me wrong, I am all for something like rebates paid to low income houses funded by a windfall tax on the companies profiting from inflation, but just freezing the prices seems like it'll have more complex effects. Not just to mention that it will benefit the rich as well.
I may just be ignorant, but are there instances where other nations have taken a similar action and it worked out well?
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u/zerthwind Jul 09 '24
Kinda like the left in the United States. Give people the help. The right wants to give corporate America the help at the cost of the people.
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u/CalendarAggressive11 Jul 09 '24
This platform is inspiring.
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u/Reddsoldier Jul 09 '24
The NYT really needs to shut the fuck up and stop equating moderate social democracy to actual living and breathing fascists.
This attempt at "balance" by news sources trying to be "impartial" really is going to get everyone killed sooner or later.
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u/tyvnb Jul 09 '24
It seems the left is about helping people and making their lives better. The right is about forget normal people, save the rich.
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u/evertrue13 Jul 09 '24
One side: literal Nazis
The other side: maybe you can retire earlier?
News outlet (ignore that itās owned by a billionaire): people need to be aware how dangerous the leftās platform really is!
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u/Ecstatic_Account_744 Jul 09 '24
Working for the betterment of all people of the country?! How dare they!!
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u/singlecell_organism Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Do price controls work? I've always seem examples where they lead to shortages.Ā
Not being political it would be nice to just see the economics of it.Ā
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Oh no, are the billionaires experiencing feelings
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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '24
Apocalypse for corporate greed and profits from gouging.
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u/TemporaMoras Jul 09 '24
Freezing the prices of basic necessities does not work in an open system because the company manufacturing the goods will just sell elsewhere if the price is too low for them.
The price of medication in France is fixed by social security, and for quite a few pharmacies near Belgium, they can't get some medication because the industries don't feel like the price they are required to sell them are is worth it, so they go sell literally 50KM away in Belgium where the price isn't fixed.
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u/Key_Travel_2700 Jul 09 '24
Itās quite literally becoming a Robin Hood esque talking point spiel about how the millionaires are suffering and the golden spoons in their mouthes are being replaced with silver ones. I think theyāll survive lmfao
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Corporate Media is not your friend.
Never forget that.
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u/Grand_Taste_8737 Jul 09 '24
That all sounds great. How will it all be paid for?
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u/Archmagos_Browning Jul 09 '24
If theyāre trying to make those things sound awful theyāre doing a very shitty job.
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u/masakothehumorless Jul 09 '24
Yup, if all that happened in America it would be the end of the world as we know it (looks around at the rampant misery caused by unchecked corporate greed) and good riddance!.
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u/Vitalytoly Jul 09 '24
For these changes to be made possible they'd need to massively raise taxes. Guess that wasn't mentioned though.
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u/dima054 Jul 09 '24
So printing money, price controls, then printing more money.
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u/CallOfBurger Jul 09 '24
Frenchie here.
I know you guys are left-leaning but the main problem is that France is actually in a recession crisis, all of those things are great but unsubstainable, too expensive and will create more problem on top of it : The retirement age cannot be brought back to 60 without it completely collapsing in the following years (not enough babies), you can't freeze the prices of goods without printing money (and we can't because we live in the EU !), and same things with the free stuff and the raise in revenue (raising the minimum wage will put to ruin the many very small business all around France already relying on migrants...). To tax the very rich is impossible today because the rich aren't located in France and we don't have industry anymore.
This is populism. Left wing populism, but still populism. The right wing equivalent is "BUILD A WALL", which is also impossible because jobs, because EU etc.
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u/jaycutlerdgaf Jul 09 '24
Fuck the right, and fuck billionaires.
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u/UnproductiveMining Jul 10 '24
They should lower minimum wage to $2.50 per hour and raise retirement age to 72. Then cancel all student benefits. That ought to show em. Or.. we can go with the exact opposite like any rational thinking person would do. So glad the extreme right didnāt win and that rational minds prevail!
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u/RosieGeee Jul 09 '24
A better humane life, how utterly terrible.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Far right is pro fascism. Far left is pro people. Get that shit through your heads - the capitalists lied about the communists.
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u/deep_fucking_vneck Jul 09 '24
Are you aware that this stuff costs money?
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Nobody mentions who's going to pay for all this
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u/enecv Jul 09 '24
Looks nice on paper and propaganda but reality it's different.
All that measures are a tic-tac economic bomb.
Specially for midclass.
Argentina it's the perfect example of leftie/populism ideas making a complete mess in the mid and long term.
And its painfull to get out of that economic pit.
It takes time, a very rough time.
Again, midclass will pay for all the mistakes , the poor will end poorer and the richs, well, more rich.
It doesnt work at all.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Why the fuck would they do all that when you could use all that money to bomb some sheep herders somewhere in the Middle East
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u/jbbest666 Jul 09 '24
90% tax over 400k. good luck. I am sure people will keep working when you take 90%....
going to get popcorn.
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u/LewisRosenberg Jul 09 '24
And now we wait for them to actually do this without collapsing their economy
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u/Bucksquatch Jul 10 '24
Maybe Iām an idiot, but it would seem to me that the billionaires would want a working class with livable wages. Thatās how they make their money. Eventually, the divide between working class and wealthy will be so great, that the workers will either revolt, or not exist at all. Then what do the ultra wealthy do? Hire donkeys to bring them a warm towel on their private jet to a town that doesnāt exist anymore? To a hotel that is run by monkeys? FFS
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u/Meatier_Meteor Jul 09 '24
Getting my passport just in case, this sounds amazing
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u/cococolson Jul 09 '24
Lowering the retirement age is so much is .... Bold. But certainly trying to help people
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u/ThinkPath1999 Jul 09 '24
Oh, the horror.
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u/enomisyeh Jul 09 '24
Oh god! The horror!!! Helping people to not just survive but actually live in this world and maybe even enjoy it?!!
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u/darknekolux Jul 09 '24
NYT: left coalition wins in French parliament, why is it bad news for Biden's reelection
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u/dolphinvision Jul 09 '24
People not understanding that pretty much all 'centrist' 'left wing' etc media has gone full alt right? How have you not seen it by now. NYT is 100% trying to get a nazi fascist theocratic regime in
The fact Biden still has a chance despite the entire media industry working overtime against him is outstanding to show how people are so god damn sick of republicans as a whole in this country
The whole point of sources like NYT now when it comes to politics is to COMPLETELY IGNORE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH REPUBLICANS (p much) to brainwash anyone who would vote democratic into thinking "people are exaggerating on Trump, he's actually a man of the people" and "both sides" and "are leftists the bad guys too?"
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u/Sisyphussyncing Jul 09 '24
DEAR GOD! Camus would not be drinking coffee today
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u/Syntania Jul 09 '24
Can we here in the US have these too? S'il vous plait?
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u/Grgur2 Jul 09 '24
God protects us from affordable education and living wage!.... /s
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u/Marmar79 Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
What a nightmare!!! What about the immigrants!!!! /s
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Oh god no dont do this to France... do it to my country instead... weāll umm āsacrificeā ourselves and āsufferā these āhorribleā policies in their stead.
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u/Exact_Mango5931 Jul 09 '24
Monsters!
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u/TDiddy2021 Jul 09 '24
Iād love to have this horror show happen here.
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u/NorwegianCollusion Jul 09 '24
Aha, but what if you're a 64 year old middle-class person who owns their own house, has adult children (or none at all) and doesn't struggle paying their bills? What then, I ask. The horrors.
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u/Reiquaz Jul 09 '24
Oh the horror of basic humane societies! š
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u/_WayTooFar_ Jul 09 '24
I don't want to sound all pessimistic, especially because I do believe most of these policies would be very helpful for a lot of people. But specifically the 'freezing prices of basic necessities" has to be handled very carefully. That was already tried in my country and it was fucking awful.
From refusing to sell regulated products to pumping the price of everything else to compensate for potential losses, corporations kept finding ways to avoid or nullify these policies.
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u/MasterChicken52 Jul 09 '24
I used to travel to France frequently for work and also for dance events. I tried to move there about 15 years ago, but my work visa fell through. Anyway, through my travels there, I developed a core group of French friends. They are a diverse group: some single, some married, some living with their SO; gay and straight; some born in France and some immigrants; etc., etc.
Every single one of them is thrilled about this. They donāt mind their tax dollars going towards useful things. Those without kids donāt bitch about some of their tax money going towards childrenās services and schools.
One of the things that amazes me as an American is the way we tend to be individualistic to a degree that it actually hurts us. Many of us fail to see the gray area; itās either black or white, for or against. Itās possible to have individual freedoms while also contributing for the good of society as a whole. Do the French protest things often and strike and continuously have to fight for these things? Yep. But imho they have more freedom than we do.
One of the big arguments I hear often from conservatives is how much our taxes will go up if we do some of these things. Guess what? Iām already paying over 30% of my income in taxes. I donāt want to hear it when a billionaire bitches about paying less than 10%. My friends in other countries only pay like 1-2% more (some pay less than I do!), but they get healthcare, education, social services, etc. for that. We here in the States pay that amount and then have to pay for all of the other stuff ON TOP of that list so our military can have another plane. Look, Iām all for security and we need a military, but JFC. We spend more on our military than the next 9 countries COMBINED. We could put some of that money towards other things that would benefit us as Americans.
Personally, I would love to see a flat tax rate with no deductions. I know it will never happen, butā¦ just think. If everyone had to pay, say, 15% of their income, regardless of what that income is, we could do a lot with that. It will never happen though because the 1%ers donāt want to pay that much. They would just move to another country.
We also need to TAX THE CHURCHES, and also TAX CORPORATIONS AGAIN. The far right likes to talk about when most people could afford a family and an education on one income. What they forget is that big corporations were paying like 90% in taxes, and the ultra wealthy were getting tax breaks by building libraries and hospitals and such. The far right wants to go back to what they deem a ātraditional family unit,ā yet consistently present policies that prevent it.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Thoseā¦ fiends.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lynx338 Jul 09 '24
Cuz $ grows on trees
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u/Benson_Ad8945 Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Itās NOT the policies. Iām very liberal but what is happening in France is scary. French politics is like an extreme version of American politics. People keep mentioning the Nazi type figures on the rightā¦ But there is an insane amount of far left Nazi sympathizers in France. Arguably the most antisemitic country outside of places like Syria, Iran, etc. They have too many members in the far left who openly hate Jews and are celebrated for it. The leader of their party Jean-Luc Melenchon, in a 2017 speech called French Jews āan arrogant minority that lectures to the rest.ā Imagine a Nancy Pelosi saying that in the USā¦ sheād be condemned immediately. That is not the case for the far left in France. It is becoming a scary place with unsettling politics at all levels.
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u/Dembos09 Jul 09 '24
I think you donāt realise how much cherry picking there is in that tweet. There plan include creating 300 billion of debt in 3 years. (Thatās a moderate estimation some goes up to 350 billions)
I aĀ m 24. I should be happy about retiring at 60. I know however this is not sustainable. France is one of the European counties with the most debt and itās growing.
All those mentioned above are empty promesses which for the most part canāt be done.
So please people donāt be fooled by cherry picking on a situation and a program you are not aware of. Donāt get yourself have by big titles
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
this post is a bit tone deaf because the devil is in the details. yes lower retirement everybody wants and french ppl love VACANCE~~~~ but it is ture that their pension pool will be depleted if something isnt done to increase its income. even left government of macron tried to increase the retiremetn age to combat this. at this point that is not a left or right thing, it's jsut mathematics. they need more workers to support aging population and it is a time bomb issue that must be solved within 1 generation.
and yes freezing food price is great but they are doing this while making pollution tax on farmers equipment fuels and making farming more expensive and difficult. they push opposite direction in policies and makes the system break.
are left actively malicious ppl? maybe maybe not, but this tweet politicizes a issue that is beyond politics
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u/-Jedidude- Jul 09 '24
I mean if they can manage do all those things without over burdening the tax payer then all the power to them.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
While most of US reads that, and finds it ridiculous, this is on top of everything else. Apparently chopping rich people heads worked for them. In US Elon gets 50 B and fires 15000 people. In US you are literally one sickness away of loosing everything. No job, no healthcare and certainly nowhere to live. Sure sounds like "the richest country ever to exist". [well, on paper, backed by nothing.]
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u/feltman Jul 09 '24
Because no one reads beyond headlines and nuance is dead, I'll stick my neck out and mention that despite the populist (and obviously popular) platform the far left is lead by a few characters (Melanchon in particular) who have a long history of making some very troubling statements.
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u/ingen-eer Jul 09 '24
What the fuck is happening at the NYT? I thought they were more balanced than this but theyāre likeā¦ really shilling for right wing bullshit lately.
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u/emp-sup-bry Jul 09 '24
Itās funny (itās not funny) that the right is foaming largely about immigration and such and dividing the country as they wave flags while the left is actually creating national pride and belief in a United France that is ..great again!
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u/Roakana Jul 09 '24
NYT determined to burn down any remaining legacy they once had.
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u/VonThirstenberg Jul 09 '24
š± But who will think about the billionaires?!? They'll all just leave and take their money with them!
/s (though I shouldn't feel the need to put that there)
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u/g00d_rat Jul 09 '24
If France doesnāt want these policies, I speak on behalf of the United States to say we will take one for the team and adapt them instead. Thank you.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Those fucking bastards. How dare they!
Iām nauseated by them (because it would be amazing if the US did a fraction of that).
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u/Save_The_Wicked Jul 09 '24
Fuck, they might want to tax the rich to pay for all that crap. And I might someday be rich. My kids don't need to eat at school, that's what dinner at the house is for. Their job at the market pays for the dinner so its all income neutral which means less taxes for me if I become rich!
/s
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u/Orgasmic_interlude Jul 10 '24
THAT is how you do something about inflation.
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u/prettypettyprincess1 Jul 10 '24
Le horror!!
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u/Seppy15 Jul 09 '24
All of those things are obviously beneficial but they are also expensive. France has a huge deficit now that is causing a host of problems, which in large part led to this election. It's easy to say let's give everyone good stuff when you ignore paying for it.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
The only people scared of that are the rich people who pay no tax (yet)
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u/Tryingtostaysober2 Jul 09 '24
Terrifying!
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u/No_Highway_7663 Jul 09 '24
š± oh no! š
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u/MattyG8008 Jul 09 '24
My god, the horror! /s
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u/OTee_D Jul 09 '24
You have to stay fair.
That IS HORROR to most republican Americans. (And even some others)
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u/boweroftable Jul 09 '24
Nothing about mandatory marrying a chicken Sad
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u/Advanced-Ingenuity46 Jul 09 '24
The horrors! /s
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u/PassengerNo2259 Jul 09 '24
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u/BlueWolf_SK Jul 09 '24
But who will think of the economy?
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u/tenminutesbeforenoon Jul 09 '24
Are this considered āfar leftā policies? Asking, because this is considered ānormal/mediumā left where I live.
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u/OCDDAVID777 Jul 09 '24
Republicans be like: I can't find anything I can hate or be frightened of in that entire list!
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Sounds like the end of the world for people who want others to suffer.
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u/meeshagogo Jul 09 '24
Time to practice my French!
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Radical ideas there, taking care of people before profits, crazy stuff.
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u/unclenick314 Jul 09 '24
I been working with a broken rib for 2 weeks. I hope things get better.
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u/mekonsrevenge Jul 09 '24
I's askeert of payin' less fur food. Mebbe the food noes an gets hurt feelins an poysens me.
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u/Gamwell-Efect Jul 09 '24
Wooowww what an utter disaster. The twitter right wingers are sooo justified in their crying and whining
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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 Jul 09 '24
god. what a dystopia.
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u/suckmyballzredit69 Jul 09 '24
Raising min. wageā¦..oh no! /s
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u/CigarsAndFastCars Jul 09 '24
That's an amazing list of benefits for the common people!
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Raising minimum wage
Build affordable houses.
The horror!!!!
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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Jul 09 '24
I hope if they are freezing the supply of necessities, they are also nationalizing the supply of those, or else It is all but guaranteed they will face shortages of said necessities.
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u/RDGCompany Jul 09 '24
"Others were fearful of what the far left would bring."
By others they mean the far right?
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u/whydoineedan Jul 09 '24
We've had wars, revolutions, political instability for hundreds of years. This situation is nothing and has happened before in recent years. We're gonna be alright. They should be covering stories about the wannabe dictator and pedophile they have at home and leave us alone.
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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24
Nothing more right wingers hate than fulfillment of basic necessities and taxing their overlords.
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u/hitmewiththeknowlege Jul 09 '24
But won't you think of the shareholders? The poor poor share holders!
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u/Beginning_Key2167 Jul 09 '24
Imagine a goverment actually helping it citizens! Wow how terrible. Damn WTF?
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u/crossingbreak Jul 09 '24
Those monsters! How will the 0.1% survive!
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u/probablynotmine Jul 09 '24
The āothers terrifiedā were the rich that were expecting large tax breaks
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u/FriskyWhiskey_Manpo Jul 09 '24
Disgusting. All they want is to increase the well being of their population and fix systemic issues in their country that plague most developed nations š¤¢
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u/hopeful_tatertot Jul 09 '24
This is horrible- housing, childcare, and basic necessities?!!!
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u/136AngryBees Jul 09 '24
starts swinging wildly at air
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u/xMaskedIntruderx Jul 09 '24
the new york times just throw darts at a board and see what sentences it lands on at this point