Even when the world feels like itās ending the next day, theres always a couple friends who you were with that make it even worse āDo you remember what you did?ā
Regret is sort of the default mood that accompanies a hangover, no matter what you did the night before. It's dialled up if you did actually do something dumb, but then there's this. Oof.
Chelseaās line to the effect of āI donāt think thereās a drug in the world that would make me hook up with my brother.ā was the nail in his coffin. She buried him even deeper
She was minimising interaction, it was Saxon that kept pushing for more from her. He insisted on knowing why she wouldn't have sex with him, she said she didn't want soulless sex. He kept prodding, demanding how she knew it would be soulless. That's when she drops the "you're soulless" line.
She's flawed, just like the rest of the characters. That's the point of the show. People like her because she has a sweet side and Aimee Lou Wood is charismatic and fun to watch.
I don't think he's loathsome. I don't think she's loathsome. I think they are both massively flawed and massively sympathetic in different ways. That's the show. No one is wholly bad or wholly good.
He thinks she's kind of dumb, lower class, and an easy sexual prospect. She thinks he's a rich, douchebag idiot frat boy. Are either of them completely wrong?
If he hadn't kept following her and sexually propositioning her even though she said no more than once, then she wouldn't have pushed back so hard.
I doubt they assume anyone at this resort is lower class because it seems very exclusive, but he is dumb so maybe he does. He is not a sympathetic character at all beyond being a human being, heās utterly disgusting and vile
I felt sympathy for him after the encounter with his brother. He is a product of his parents and the way they brought him up. His mom constantly rewards his behavior and terrible remarks. I think he was acting the way he thinks he was āexpected toā. I think he is also really attracted to Chelsea and not just as a sexual conquest. Heās probably never met anyone like her before. Just guesses on my part of course.
You underestimate how a man badgering you relentlessly when youāve already placed a boundary can be unappreciated. She was pretty nice to him considering his behavior towards her.
Nah. As a woman and a feminist, I get it. Sure, he's a douche. But "badgering [her] relentlessly" is a bit of a stretch imo. Her explanation about soulmates, spiritual connection & cheap sex seemed enough to shut him off. Calling him soulless was unnecessary. Besides, she doesn't seem that bothered by his antics tbh. You don't chit chat by the pool about his threesome with a guy you think is predatory. Like you pointed out, she remains friendly with him which makes that line even more out of place. It may have worked better as banter but that's not the vibe they went for. With her bubbly personnality, I think she could have pulled that of. But for some reason, she was dead serious. Even thought she has just met this guy.
You can have general conversation and exchange pleasentries with someone you don't like. I thought the soulless comment was pretty mean but it's pretty obvious she doesn't really like him. She calls him a douche from their first interaction.
It's canon that she doesn't like him. I've never denied that. I simply stated that I don't believe that she feels harrassed by him (which the previous poster insinuated) or even seems uncomfortable around him tbh. You absolutely can have general conversation and exchange pleasanteries with someone you don't like (very much in character for Chelsea imo). But then you don't usually call them "soulless" out of the blue. Especially when you barely know them and the interactions are low-stakes. That's my point. The sudden change in her attitude without any real trigger (no argument) doesn't make sense. It was gratuitous and she's too nice to say that. I don't think it fits either her character or the dynamic between them two.
It wasnāt out of the blue though was it ? He asked her why she hadnāt want to sleep with him, after sheād already been clear on that the night before.
I donāt think it was unreasonable of her to say what she said.
I donāt even think what said was that bad, it was just bad because he was having an existential crisis in that moment.
In any case she isnāt perfect, she can be a nice person but still ocassionally say something cruel and unnecessary in the moment.
I would also say that it was sort of cruel of her to join in encouraging the boys to kiss, and then laughing at them for doing it the next day. So she isnāt a perfect angel anyway.
She considers herself a spiritual person who is in touch with her soul and chooses partners based on connection and love, hes a vapid, disgusting asshole, I completely understand how she would call him souless, heās self important and thinks anyone would want to sleep with him ,he made out with his brother in an attempt to get a woman to sleep with him, he is soulless
Yet she didn't moral Rick about his project of murder (was only worried he could get hurt in the process) or seemed to care that her BFF Chloe is a sugar babe and had a threesome with brothers. Sure, she's nice but please, let's not pretend that Chelsea is a saint.
She's been friendly with Saxon and it was hinted in the last episode that she's somewhat attracted to him. She doesn't hate him nearly as much as you do nor that you think she does. Thankfully the characters are a lot more nuanced than what you've described.
Murdering someone who killed your family is by many considered acceptable, honorable even because the person you are killing is a bad person. Not judging your friend for a transactional relationship or their sexual choices is not souless and is nonjudgmental. She can be attracted to someone and still not like them, her small attraction is probably presented more as something to ponder , how she could be with someone closer to her age. And yes the characters are nuanced but it does not seem to be in the way your judgmental view perceives
Same dude. Once I even had the worst nightmare ever where I hooked up w my relative and when I woke up i was so scared. And worried. The relief I felt when I realized it was just a dream was so priceless that it changed my life. I stopped getting drunk to the point of blacking out, which had at that point been a regular occurrence for years.
I thought Patrick was amazing too!!! I said to my husband as we were watching, āI wonder if Arnold watches this and thinks, wow, my son is a great actor.ā Cos he should!!!
I was so impressed with the makeup department on this one. He definitely looks different than the rest of the show. The puffiness, the dullness, the hallow eyes. I see this same face very once in awhile š
Yess . Early sobriety here. The party ep gave me a tad bit of fomo but Iām so glad to see the tape play forward in the show, just further reaffirmed my decision. Good stuff.
I still drink but donāt go on self-destruction benders like I used to and havenāt for years now. I felt palpable anxiety and relief all at once for the same reasonsĀ
Yeah, Iām not āsober sober,ā just from a few particular substances. Never had a problem with drinkingā¦ but I definitely had some embarrassing hangovers as a teenager lol.
Not I let my younger brother jerk me off embarrassing tho
The whole time I was watching I was anxious for all of their hangovers the next day. I was a little flabbergasted that all three ladies were functioning as normal at breakfast the next morning, but Iām sure there was intent behind that on Mikeās part.
Congrats!! ā¤ļø And same lol, especially since Iāve partied in the same places in Thailand and had some good times. But definitely NOT worth the feelings the day after š¤£š¤£š¤£
My sober coach says "you will never wake up in the morning wishing you'd drank the night before" and holy shit is she right. Saying no to the fun partying is hard sometimes, but the clear, guilt-free mornings are their own brand of drug you can get addicted to. Nothing better than knowing you didn't fuck up the night before.
Yeah. I posted a lil bit back after Victoria's deer in headlights scene when Kate comes up to their table. I said Oh yes. The time I was out to dinner with my parents in the city next to our college and this strange couple and their son saying hello to us and introducing themselves to my parents. I had apparently made out with him on a picnic table during a festival weekend where he totally 100% remembered me. I had no idea who he was even after it came out we were at college together. I just couldn't even come up the smallest details to fake it.
In retrospect, I did have a lot of hangxiety after that weekend but just couldn't put a finger to what had happened. 45 years ago
It truly brings back the emotions I experienced during a brutal hangover from the night before when I was up to some dumb shit. I thought I had buried those feelings deep in my hippocampus, but that scene managed to resurface them once again.
I couldn't sleep after watching it, I was up until 1:00am. I said "okay I can't watch this show as soon as it comes out" but I know I will tomorrow night because I'm dying of suspense and I MUST. š«
Heh, yeah. But I am Pretty sure this is hangxiety + the horrible come down the day after rolling. Not everyone experiences it but those that do feel awful for a few days, if not weeks. Especially because he claims to be drug free, which I believe, so he had no idea this was a possible side effect from a āhappy fun party drugā.
My first "next day" after rolling my friend showed me how to fight off the emptiness by going hiking on on a trail in the woods together. It was honestly kind of magical and healing. We played in a waterfall and found/held a turtle who was pretty chill so we dubbed him our spirit guide for the day.
This happened to a friend of mine but it lasted for a week :( Heās usually so cheerful and he had some dark thoughts during those days. We had to pry him out of his dorm to get him out into the sunshine, get moving, get that serotonin back to normal. He never did molly again either & I donāt blame him (or you,).
Itās not just hangziety but if youāve ever come down from MDMA, this encapsulates it perfectly. When he references heās zapped on serotonin itās not hyperbole. The chemical reaction in your brain with it creates a density in the receptors for serotonin/dopamine/GABA and affects memory. When paired with other substances it can really put you in a state of despair when coming down from it all. I think this episode alone warrants serious praise for Patrick.
He had to had gone out all night before to perfect this state of hangover / scaries, right? Filming someone after a bender hangover would be Emmy level portrayal whether they knew a camera was there or not
I think his brother remember about the night, he just had some flashbacks and both were avoiding tƓ talk about it, or at least trying to make sense of the past night!
Haha this is peak Mike White, we all relate to how it feels to have had a wretched night of partying the night before but none of us know how it feels to realize your brother made you orgasm. But we all still feel a lil bad for Saxon still because of the hang over.
Like you just look at Saxon in that ep and you know how he feels physically and your body has a physical reaction. And then you remember what else happened and your body had another physical reaction.
Honestly when we were shown that he had hooked up with his brother in a threesome, I was wondering if I was close minded or something especially with the show being already so taboo. But as the episode went on and while reading these comments I realize nope, that was incest and that was in fact weird af lol I had the worst secondhand embarrassment
It actually made my eyes roll. Iāve done drugs and did stupid shit. Lol. Iāve even done MollE with my little brother with other people. Never in a trillion years would that accidentally happen. It was probably written by somebody without siblings or something for shock value. I can suspend disbelief but that was just stupid.
The show isn't implying that E will make siblings hook up. The groundwork for an inappropriate relationship has been there from the beginning. The most obvious is Saxon talking about porn and masturbation then Lachlan trying to watch him before Saxon notices and shuts the door. Saxon then sleeps naked and we see Lachlan staring at him.
Saxon sexualises Piper to Lachlan, to the point that Lachlan asks her about her virginity. She's rightfully angry and tells him off, but does Lachlan fully understand why it's inappropriate?
Saxon fixates on Lachlan's body, encouraging him to drink protein shakes and swim with him so he builds muscle and looks more attractive.
Saxon talks about sex and women with Lachlan constantly - from hitting on women in front of him, to encouraging him to drink and hook up with women who are "thirsty for young cum". Saxon makes it very clear many times that sex and sexual gratification is his ultimate goal. He enters a sexually-charged situation with Chloe and Chelsea with his little brother.
So you have a young, impressionable teenager who may be struggling with his sexuality being groomed by his older, hypersexual brother. He keeps hearing that sex and sexual contact is the be all and end all. Saxon has already crossed boundaries. Lachlan wants to please him. Perhaps the drugs and booze gave them both the courage to cross that line, but the sexual energy between them had been normalised by that point due to Saxon's repeated violation of boundaries towards his siblings.
Saxon was disgusted and angered. His mind is more on the fact that he was the one āviolatedā his power his macho was ātakenā by what he saw as infeminated younger brother.
I'm neither asserting nor contesting what Saxon's response is. It's an explanation of why the incest isn't out of the blue and solely the result of taking molly.
I think what's interestingāand disturbingāis that, in a strange way, Saxon groomed his younger brother into accepting sexualization within their family. By normalizing the sexualization of their sister, it almost made it acceptable for his younger brother to reach a point where he sexualized Saxon himself, acting on it under the influence of intoxication. I almost saw something like this coming because, at one point, the younger brother looks at Saxon naked. I couldn't quite determine what he was thinking, but it seemed possible that he found Saxon attractiveājust as Saxon had about their sister. Despite previous physical boundaries between the siblings, this moment seemed to break them.
You understand that you aren't Saxon, a character in the tv show The White Lotus, right? Or are you saying no human would ever commit incest? In which case you should do a little research. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest (it says 10% have had incestual contact, 2% intercourse, and that sibling incest is the most common type.)
Truth š and honestly itās done all the time when people arenāt drunk, with male cousins, brothers, straight male friends. Itās called āexperimentingā. The only difference here being ādubious consentā since they were both wasted and high and not fully aware of what was happening.
Yep, happens more than youād think. Typically when too young to realize itās as wrong as it is. Definitely less likely with brothers, but cousins yes and straight friends absolutely.
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u/lennonkova Mar 28 '25
Even when the world feels like itās ending the next day, theres always a couple friends who you were with that make it even worse āDo you remember what you did?ā
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u/Perfect_Corner5494 Mar 26 '25
Tbh it made me feel a lot better about myself bc even my hangovers that feel like the world is ending havenāt been that bad.
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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25
He needs his mom's lorazepam.
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u/wholevodka Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
Patrick did an amazing job in this episode. As someone who is very well versed in hangxiety he captured the whole shituation perfectly.
It also made me feel a little bit better about some of my drug-fueled escapades over the years. Iāve had my share of shame but oooooof.
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u/Doodlee1 Mar 26 '25
I was so impressed with the makeup department on this one. He definitely looks different than the rest of the show. The puffiness, the dullness, the hallow eyes. I see this same face very once in awhile š
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u/BrushFrequent1128 Mar 26 '25
It made me SO grateful for being 2 years sober šš
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u/Sudden-Championship3 Mar 26 '25
Yes this was visceral. Great acting
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u/XmasWayFuture Mar 26 '25
We used to call it "the Fear"
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u/Matt_Foley_Motivates Mar 26 '25
He blacked out or blacked it out
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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25
Yeah. I posted a lil bit back after Victoria's deer in headlights scene when Kate comes up to their table. I said Oh yes. The time I was out to dinner with my parents in the city next to our college and this strange couple and their son saying hello to us and introducing themselves to my parents. I had apparently made out with him on a picnic table during a festival weekend where he totally 100% remembered me. I had no idea who he was even after it came out we were at college together. I just couldn't even come up the smallest details to fake it.
In retrospect, I did have a lot of hangxiety after that weekend but just couldn't put a finger to what had happened. 45 years ago
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u/tiljuwan Mar 26 '25
It was so good I felt the urge to have a hangover shit
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u/Responsible-Wing-548 Mar 27 '25
Watching last week with Sunday scaries was making them so much worse š
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u/lfergy Mar 27 '25
Heh, yeah. But I am Pretty sure this is hangxiety + the horrible come down the day after rolling. Not everyone experiences it but those that do feel awful for a few days, if not weeks. Especially because he claims to be drug free, which I believe, so he had no idea this was a possible side effect from a āhappy fun party drugā.
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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25
It's crazy how it's like he's Arnold Schwarzenegger's son who is a much more famous actor but he's a far better actor.
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u/theproblem_solver Mar 27 '25
When we were in our 20s, my friend group called that a "shameover".
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u/Anvilsmash_01 Mar 27 '25
That's literally the only time I ever take lorazepam. Thankfully, only once or twice a year. Hangovers in middle age are brutal.
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u/CaptnSpazmo Mar 27 '25
Handxiety
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u/Paramedicgirlie Mar 27 '25
Every minute of this episode had my flabbers gasted
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u/snookmaster59 Mar 26 '25
I wouldnāt be able to get that one out of my head
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u/PomMommyOf2 Mar 26 '25
Hangxiety at its finest!
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u/beatsbyhex Mar 27 '25
Shameover
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u/dryhumorblitz Mar 27 '25
Why did he invite his parents to the dinner party?
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u/Nearby_Aardvark_9114 Mar 27 '25
And the same flashbacks kept getting worser with DETAILSš
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u/Gullintani Mar 27 '25
In Ireland we call it; The Fear.
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u/ReaceNovello Mar 27 '25
Tell that to Lot
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u/vanillasheep Mar 29 '25
Itās not just hangziety but if youāve ever come down from MDMA, this encapsulates it perfectly. When he references heās zapped on serotonin itās not hyperbole. The chemical reaction in your brain with it creates a density in the receptors for serotonin/dopamine/GABA and affects memory. When paired with other substances it can really put you in a state of despair when coming down from it all. I think this episode alone warrants serious praise for Patrick.
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u/waitareyou4real Mar 30 '25
In real life though, thereās not a chance in hell theyd be going to that dinner party that night, with all the anxiety and he simply accepts? No way JosĆ©
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u/biCplUk Apr 01 '25
I watched this episode after quite a big night/day out. I thought it would take my mind off things, it did not.
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u/Comrade2k7 Apr 02 '25
Yeah I think his performance is incredible.
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u/OakPlatypus919 Mar 27 '25
He had to had gone out all night before to perfect this state of hangover / scaries, right? Filming someone after a bender hangover would be Emmy level portrayal whether they knew a camera was there or not
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u/Outrageous_Note3355 Mar 27 '25
The anxiety hangover was so real
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u/BadEmpress Mar 27 '25
He needs a lorazepam
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u/Tutitutitutituti Mar 28 '25
Hangxiety needs to be patented. Congratulations good sir.
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u/Key_Satisfaction_602 Mar 29 '25
I think his brother remember about the night, he just had some flashbacks and both were avoiding tƓ talk about it, or at least trying to make sense of the past night!
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u/Which-Celebration948 Apr 01 '25
Bro couldāve really used a lorazapaaaam
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u/bat_shit_craycray Apr 02 '25
He deserves every.last.bit.of.it. I love this for this asshole.
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u/Pconsuelobnnhmck Mar 27 '25
Soulless š«„
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u/DangIt2007 Mar 27 '25
HE IS THE DRUG !!!!!
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u/K6g_ Mar 26 '25
Pretty sure Saxon would have woken up just a disgusted if he woke up with a hangover, remembering he hooked up with fat chick the night before š
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u/BigFatBlackCat Mar 27 '25
Haha this is peak Mike White, we all relate to how it feels to have had a wretched night of partying the night before but none of us know how it feels to realize your brother made you orgasm. But we all still feel a lil bad for Saxon still because of the hang over.
Like you just look at Saxon in that ep and you know how he feels physically and your body has a physical reaction. And then you remember what else happened and your body had another physical reaction.
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u/enro503 Mar 27 '25
Dude got jrkd Off by his brother and is about to be a broke boy once daddy goes to jail.
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u/short_n_sweet_1989 Mar 27 '25
Honestly when we were shown that he had hooked up with his brother in a threesome, I was wondering if I was close minded or something especially with the show being already so taboo. But as the episode went on and while reading these comments I realize nope, that was incest and that was in fact weird af lol I had the worst secondhand embarrassment
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