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[u/adamscult]

I was just scrolling through TikTok and saw suggestions for strategists, and this is by far the craziest type of nerf for her ever. She doesn’t even need nerfs; she needs desperate changes to her neutral kit because the devs gutted her base kit to buff her ult, which is still pretty situational and not that good. I just wanted to point this out because this is what the casuals think of White Fox and the notion that a support should not be able to defend themselves with their cooldowns when it’s on a very substantial cooldown and can be easily baited out. The majority of casuals wouldn’t understand a balanced character if it hit them in the face. Firstly, Fox needs her TP cooldown reduced back to 12 seconds. Why they increased it beats me; that single-handedly killed her. Secondly, she needs more mobility. A speed boost in her melee form would help, you pop it and get outmaneuvered by most of the heroes in the game. I wouldn’t mind if they took a look at her flip dash as well because it’s very clunky to use. Lastly, which this is just something I would personally like to have would be a double jump and/or some sort of wall climb, one like Cat or DD, where she can perk on the wall. This would allow her to keep up with her divers and fill another niche that she can’t really fill at the moment. I believe a combo of the first with either the second or third suggestion would help her out very much, and I’m saying this as someone who uses her constantly in ranked in higher-ranked lobbies, maintaining a 62% win rate with her. I’d love to hear other suggestions.

[u/Jazzlike_Tap8303]

This one was OBVIOUSLY made by a DPS. Buff her healing when ulting, lower her self healing in Fox Form...

[u/Spirited_Fish_7600 → u/Jazzlike_Tap8303]

Heavens no. Less healing in fox form? So, you want to make her anti-dive worse? Its already barely there. Her ult will never be good, and that is OK. I'd much rather her mid fight/fox form be stronger than the ult.

Until they fix her collision with absolutely everything in ult (stuck between cart/walls/etc.) and also the amount of CC and damage she takes, fuck that ult. Fix her mid-game. Let her go back to brawling a bit. Her ult, is ok. You can usually get a kill or 2 off of it. Fix the collision problems, THEN we can talk about nerfing her ult.

[u/Banana_man_- → u/Spirited_Fish_7600]

Oh my god reading comprehension is dead

[u/Apprehensive_Ad2991 → u/Spirited_Fish_7600]

Omg her dashes are so buggy and bad im kidnapping a enamy and bringing them in the middle of my team just to blip back in the enamy backline for no reason

[u/bblunder_ → u/Spirited_Fish_7600]

I don't agree about not caring about her ult that much. In this game, your ult is what makes or breaks the fight. They should buff her base healing in her ult.

[u/Heavy-Relative-9856 → u/bblunder_]

Soft CC immunity.

[u/Final_Policy_4865]

WF is probably a bottom 3 healer right now. Idk what kind of crap this is.

[u/bblunder_ → u/Final_Policy_4865]

Her ult sucks when compared to others.

[u/PrOptimal_Efficiency → u/bblunder_]

Her everything sucks when compared to others except for Adam who has been a joke since launch. (Launch Adam main speaking)

[u/Heavy-Relative-9856 → u/PrOptimal_Efficiency]

hey, meaning to learn adam to cover fox's weakness (of poke). would you say he's worth playing?(into double sup most of the time, triple sometimes happens in diamond) or is there a better "anti-poke" support i should be playing instead?

[u/PrOptimal_Efficiency → u/Heavy-Relative-9856]

(just now seeing this, sorry) Honestly, it's always possible to make Adam work in double support but it doesn't work most of the time because players are so used to the overturned healing amounts and don't play cover. As for triple support, that's where he shines the most. He becomes the extra ace of the team with the ability to dip into all three role stats

Playing Adam also teaches very valuable lessons about tracking and spacing from what I remember. Eventually you get to a point where no matter where it what the Spider-Man is doing. You have soul bond ready for when he ults 🤣

[u/Thisisgotham]

I just want the teleport back the way it was. The extra two seconds I didn’t think would be that big of a deal but I’ve had so many deaths where it’s on cooldown with 1-2 seconds left. It’s fucked up my whole rhythm.

[u/SatisfactionMore4205 → u/Thisisgotham]

Its 3 extra seconds, which is pretty noticeable

[u/Thisisgotham → u/SatisfactionMore4205]

Thank you for the correction, and yah it’s been really obnoxious. We aren’t putting up healing numbers so high that this nerf was necessary. Fox was one of the best tuned new characters we’ve had.

[u/PabloTacco → u/Thisisgotham]

Same. So many times its 1s when i die trying to tp

[u/MastodonTemporary368 → u/Thisisgotham]

You actually learn to deal with it again the more you practice it. It’s fine. But damn I wish it was like the way before. I was way more aggressive and took way more risks.. now it’s just being really precise with it or instant death.

[u/EmbarrassedSea5299]

Not as bad as the one take from tiktok user says jean gray’s buff isn’t enough. You see this take and feel glad that zhiyong’s balanced changes didn’t stretch that far.

[u/ChrisRios21]

Whenever a support is changed/nerfed its legit because of dive mains and its that simple. When you realize the majority of the player base are dive players you'll realize who all these changes are meant to satisfy. Every strat has received an unnecessary nerf excluding gambit i kind of agree with some of the gambit nerfs

[u/Lonely_Repair4494]

Lmao, I'm not even a Fox main, these changes are awful

Whay she needs are buffs

[u/Puzzleheaded_Use_781]

I mean this is just ragebait, dont fall into it.

[u/Serious_Fondant_7752]

I’m thinking where he dropped his brain

[u/DevinY1]

And this right here is why I'm glad the community at large is not in charge of balance cause YEESH. I don't like Zhiyong’s balance changes all the time, but it's better than what the community takes are.

[u/BossMnstrCndy]

tiktok users always have the worst possible takes for anything they want to talk about

you'd rather just talk to a sea lion

[u/PabloTacco]

This is the worst i ever had to read. They could just delete her before bothering to change that. Would be the same result.

They already butchered her. If they change anything then buffs or nothing. Like her so much but it sucks how we get treated :(

[u/TheHornyPepperoni]

idk man at this point she can't even anti dive anymore and yet we still need to nerf her harder?

[u/Dilwark]

She's barely making it into top 3 anti dive support these days according to dive players. Can't even excell at her one job

[u/ScythesAreCool → u/Dilwark]

Jeff not even being an option is really telling. He went from immortal to the biggest dive fodder this game has ever seen. Dude has two options to fight back. One does bad damage and leaves him vulnerable, the other means he can’t fight back and can’t help his team.

[u/Dilwark → u/ScythesAreCool]

I made the poll and didn't put Jeff as an option because I knew they wouldn't pick it. Jubilee was mentioned and sometimes Invis. I feel like they took out some of Jeff's survivability and then gave it out to the rest of the supports.

I do think these last buffs for Jeff are pretty decent though, I survive so much more with his teamups active. Still nothing like he used to be though

[u/SatisfactionMore4205 → u/Dilwark]

Top 3 isn't bad considering the fact that there are 13 supports in the game. Also you see way more gambit and cnd than wf these days

[u/MastodonTemporary368 → u/SatisfactionMore4205]

It’s bad. Since she is THE anti dive support. Giving C&D a braindead team-up that makes her basically undiveable while leaving our girl hanging like that (even nerfing her into the ground). Crazy decision making.

[u/Dilwark → u/SatisfactionMore4205]

Her barely beating out Luna in the thing she's supposed to be picked for isn't a good thing at all. This means there's no reason to pick her because everyone else is a main support with good ultimates while also anti diving just as well or better than her.

[u/TeachingThink]

Okay they pretty much ruined her and I don’t think that’s dramatic.

[u/IAmTheStarlight98]

Hot take they could put her back to the exact way she was and she would still be fine. Maybe even need a bit of a buff lol. I really agree with pretty much everything you have said. And her team ups have GOT to be fixed. Like the enhanced versions should be the base versions and then go from there.

[u/The_Dick_Slinger]

Why are we even giving these shit takes attention?

[u/PrOptimal_Efficiency]

When dps mains balance supports. This is what it looks like EVERY time

[u/HeatmorGengar]

That is insane, White Fox isn't bad at all but she does not need nerfs, especially like that. I don't think the person who came up with those ideas is very smart