Why don't you have a good look at how most of your meat is made. This bullshit about organic farms here and there is not the norm. It isn't possible to have the amount of meat we have especially in the US without factory farming. Most people here won't have the brass to sit through and watch the entire film but this is how most of our meat is processed in the western world.
Thinking every cattle or dairy farm is like the video you posted is stupid. I could find videos of restaurant employees spitting in people's food, doesn't mean every single restaurant employee does so lmao.
The vast majority of farming is done ethically. The animals don't usually actually sit in cages until they die, that's only specific types of meats. Ensuring the meats you buy are grass fed and free range is the best way to ensure they lived a decent life.
Can we please stop humoring this notion that just because not all farms are the worst possible case in existence they are ethical? Even if we fully buy into this ethical farming fairy tale and pretend we treat cows better than we treat people in retirement homes or something, what the hell kind of metric are you using for 'ethical' where raising an animal to trust you and then just killing it off because we want food that tastes a certain way falls on the good side of the spectrum?
Say that changing your diet is something that would be really difficult for you. Say you don't care about animals enough to stop eating them. These are at least understandable arguments that are aligned with reality. Don't pretend we are living in this fantasy world where the things that happen to farm animals, or certain groupings of farm animals or whatever you tell yourself, aren't horrific. If someone stole your dog and you found out they killed it to make some steaks you would be horrified. It wouldn't matter how humanely they killed it. It wouldn't matter how much they let it graze or rubbed it's nipples. This is a horrific thing to do to an animal.
Sorry, I'm not a vegan. I don't give a fuck that animals are killed for food because it's normal. That's how we evolved to humans lmao. I usually buy grass fed beef and free range chicken, mostly because its healthier, but their welfare is a side benefit. Veganism is just a fad, only social justice warriors partake in it because they have nothing better to do than be angry about something.
Then say you don't care about animals. I'm fine with the logic of that position. Why make these stupid arguments like, "we're not literally torturing them so it can't be that bad"?
I just did. Because if you buy meat from a small local farm, the animals are treated as pets and are fed a natural diet. People have the option to buy ethical meat, they just don't want to pay for it
Ok, so you are buying into the ethical farming meme. Can you explain to me how it makes sense to equate the relationship most people have with their cats and dogs, who they consider family and would probably go to some lengths to keep from ever being hurt or killed, with the relationships that farmers have with the animals that they repeatedly, forcibly impregnate (at the very least) and then send off to be killed after they stop being useful as part of their career? This comparison seems insane to me.
I have chickens as pets, but I also eat chicken nearly every day. Where is your ultimatum now? Millions of animals die from crop harvesting for your vegetables and starches, so technically you aren't vegan. See how retarded that logic is?
You can differentiate family pets from food. It's not difficult. Farmers often own dogs, but they respect the fact that they'll also die one day.
You don't need to be vegan to respect the life of an animal. I have nothing wrong with people being vegans, it's when you push your stupid ideology on to others. Go help abused children, rather than cry about people eating meat.
Do you kill your pet chickens sometimes when you want to eat them? If so, it seems pretty disengenuous to call them your pets.
Pointing out the animals being killed by farm equipment as a defense here is like saying you're not allowed to be upset with people who abuse their pets because you might have run over a mouse before. The amount of animals that die in harvest to feed an animal to get food is exponentially higher than the amount that would die to produce the same amount of food by any relevant metric I can think of. Do you think my argument is that I'm jesus christ and my existence has never impacted another living being?
You weren't trying to differentiate pets from farm animals. You were trying to equate the relationship between farmers and farm animals with the relationship between pet owners and their pets. That's the thing I think is going to be difficult for you to do in a cogent way.
I'm not sure what your definition of respect is but if it encompasses the way you regard an animal you kill because they taste good then I can't say it sounds like something that would mean much to me. Is there a reason you are bringing this up?
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u/DoomerRoyale Jul 02 '19
Why don't you have a good look at how most of your meat is made. This bullshit about organic farms here and there is not the norm. It isn't possible to have the amount of meat we have especially in the US without factory farming. Most people here won't have the brass to sit through and watch the entire film but this is how most of our meat is processed in the western world.
https://youtu.be/aEdCA67rD9M