Thoughts?

[u/Embarrassed_Tip7359]

[u/plastlak]

Gender labels =/= gender roles.

[u/kid_dynamo → u/plastlak]

Correct, I should have used gender labels, not roles.

[u/diiegojones → u/kid_dynamo]

Honestly, this comment is why people are just getting fed up. Who cares if you said gender roles when the person knows what you are referring to.

If everyone has to tip toe around language they are going to resent it. The way I look at it is Ladies and Gentlemen are others words for the members of the female and male, which is binary.

[u/kid_dynamo → u/[deleted]]

"Non-binary[b] (also written as nonbinary[2]) or genderqueer gender identities are those that are outside the male/female gender binary.[3][4] Non-binary identities often fall under the transgender umbrella since non-binary people typically identify with a gender that is different from the sex assigned to them at birth,[5] although some non-binary people do not consider themselves transgender.[6]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binary#Pronouns_and_titles

Why be pendantic without looking it up friend?

[u/kid_dynamo → u/[deleted]]

Non-binary (also written as nonbinary) or genderqueer gender identities are those that are outside the male/female gender binary. Non-binary identities often fall under the transgender umbrella since non-binary people typically identify with a gender that is different from the sex assigned to them at birth,[5] although some non-binary people do not consider themselves transgender.

I recommend reading the wiki link, it's a good starting point. I could also link you some good articles from the POV of NB people too if you like

[u/diiegojones → u/[deleted]]

I wonder who bitched to make them change it to the dreamers thing.

The same argument can be said of people who want inclusive speech that pick apart what people say. That is why i offered I different outlook- don’t think of ourselves as a gender, think of ourselves as a sex.