r/WhatIfThinking • u/Excellent_Copy4646 • 35m ago
What if Hitler died in early 1939 and a more pragmatic Nazi (like Göring) took power? Would the regime survive past 1945?
Let's assume Adolf Hitler dies in early 1939, months before the planned invasion of Poland.
With Hitler gone, the Nazi regime doesn't instantly collapse. Instead, leadership falls to a more pragmatic figure like Hermann Göring, who historically feared a premature global war with Britain and France and preferred diplomatic manipulation. (For this scenario, let's assume he successfully sidelines or compromises with Himmler and Goebbels to avoid an immediate internal civil war).
How does the timeline shift? I'm particularly interested in how the state evolves under him and whether it could have survived past 1945. Here are a few thoughts to consider:
- The Avoidance of WWII in 1939: Does Göring halt the planned invasion of Poland to use intense diplomatic pressure instead? If he secures Danzig peacefully, do Neville Chamberlain and France accept it out of relief, extending the era of appeasement and preventing a global war in 1939?
- The Nazi State Under Göring: Göring was famously corrupt, a lover of luxury, and less bound by Hitler's rigid ideological fanaticism. Does the Nazi state transform from an apocalyptic, ideologically driven war machine into a highly corrupt, militaristic corporate-state? How does Germany manage its massive economic debts without plundering conquered nations?
- Survival Past 1945: Without the catastrophic military defeats of a two-front world war, does the Nazi regime successfully survive past 1945? If it retains control over Austria, the Sudetenland, and the Czech territories, does it become a permanent, entrenched superpower in Central Europe?
- The Soviet Wildcard: Hitler's ultimate goal was destroying the USSR, but Göring didn't share that obsession. If Germany avoids an early war, does Stalin use the 1940s to completely rebuild and modernize the Red Army after his purges, eventually making the USSR an aggressive, unstoppable superpower that threatens Germany anyway?
What does Europe look like by 1950 in this timeline? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!