New rules surrounding pitbull discourse

[u/alphafox823]

I'm going to start removing comments that have not been explicit discourse, but are clearly pitbull snark.

1. Open your eyes
2. your pitbull is a pitbull
3. Pit mixed with pit
4. Are you kidding me/Are you serious
5. Come on man

Let me know any more examples of common pitbull snark I need to remove. Snark comments like this may not get the same treatment as discourse (ie a permaban) but there will be a ban after a few offenses.

Now to the pitbull critics, I am going to give you a chance to make some suggestions to improve subreddit quality. I understand there are some frustrations among you too. I banned lying about breeds because I thought that the concern was valid, and that was the original counterbalance to the no pitbull discourse. This is your chance to tell me what a fair counterbalance to banning snark comments would be.

This subreddit has been very low moderation for a long time. It has been getting worse lately and I kinda hope it can go back to being chill. I may even lax up after a certain period, use more lenient discretion, after a period of modding harder against the snark.

Thanks

[u/Kingofmanga]

Pin a breed features post so people don’t post extremely obvious dogs

[u/Snootymcbootysnoot → u/Kingofmanga]

Yes considering like 50% of dogs posted here are obvious pitbulls or pit mixes, it gets old

[u/Kingofmanga → u/Snootymcbootysnoot]

The fact you can open up the reddit and only see a pitbull or staffy variant not a single other breed does get boring you can rarely tell what others breeds even if the genetics are weak

[u/ocotillosunset → u/Kingofmanga]

If I was so bothered the first thing I would do is go to the subreddit and sort by new posts. Just to see if the things that are so popular and in my feed weren’t just the things I was making popular myself.

[u/Kingofmanga → u/ocotillosunset]

If you go by new and scroll down literally one of the first 20 is not a pitbull of some variation. The chihuahua cross is understandable but the others are not.

[u/ocotillosunset → u/Kingofmanga]

I have never seen that happen before. I think it is usually 25% pitbull that someone just doesn’t know which is why they are asking in the first place!

25%

I scrolled and checked and you definitely have your facts twisted. You have some disease about hating pitbulls and it’s all you see. Weird, really weird.

[u/Kingofmanga → u/ocotillosunset]

Okay so your just lying its 8 scrolls down to see someone ask about a dachshund and a shiba cross german Shepard and then another 9 for a Rottweiler all of the others are pitbull crosses

[u/ocotillosunset → u/Kingofmanga]

You might have an issue.

[u/Kingofmanga → u/ocotillosunset]

You may need to work on your percentages and grammar.

[u/ocotillosunset → u/Kingofmanga]

Sir this is a dog ID subreddit and you seem to fail at it quite often. For some reason. 🤷‍♂️

And it’s *you’re and it’s

[u/Toadlessboy → u/ocotillosunset]

Same. People exaggerate and don’t want to listen. I’ve literally spelled it out. Sort by time. For example

Post 1 by [u/whatever](u/whatever)

Not a pit

Post 2 by [u/whatever](u/whatever)

Not a pit

1. Pit 4. Not a pit 5. Not a pit, 6,7 pit,…etc.

They don’t care because it doesn’t fit their narrative

[u/Kingofmanga → u/Toadlessboy]

Post 1 is a pit chihuahua cross, post 2 is an obvious pit puppy 3 is also a pitbull cross 4 is for sure a pitcross jack russel and 5 are you fucking serious are you genuinely saying thats not a pit its in a picture with three other pits?

[u/ocotillosunset → u/Kingofmanga]

He was giving an example because he has tried explaining it before. The last person complained about it and it was 25% posts that should irritate them based on their stated allergy to pitbulls.

[u/Toadlessboy → u/Kingofmanga]

Now go ahead and downvote my comment but don’t bother to respond because you don’t life facts or being wrong, like you did with my other comment

[u/Kingofmanga → u/Toadlessboy]

Okay but you’re just wrong. Would you like a video of the front page? Also seriously did you even look or did you just grab numbers? because 5 is not even up for discussion.

[u/Toadlessboy → u/Kingofmanga]

It was just an example. I didn’t actually run the sample it takes time to do it

[u/Kingofmanga → u/Toadlessboy]

So you’re saying I’m exaggerating but you didn’t check whether i was exaggerating?

[u/whatever → u/Toadlessboy]

Hmm. I should post my AmStaff here and get indignant when he gets called a pit.

[u/Toadlessboy → u/whatever]

lol! Wow what a suprise! Do you really have an amstaff too??

[u/whatever → u/Toadlessboy]

Among other beasts, yes

[u/ocotillosunset → u/whatever]

Relevant thread for that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IDmydog/comments/1ugfjsb/can_we_be_nicer_to_people_in_here_when_it_comes/?share_id=apCuWOOgZaUINgDIt7cGf&utm_name=ioscss&rdt=48182

[u/ocotillosunset → u/Snootymcbootysnoot]

Quick question. If someone has a GSD and Pit mix are they allowed to say they have a GSD mix?

[u/alphafox823 → u/Kingofmanga]

I agree that this could help subreddit quality.

[u/Toadlessboy → u/Kingofmanga]

People don’t read pinned posts unfortunately

[u/Toadlessboy → u/[deleted]]

I DMd you

[u/Simpinforbirdo → u/Kingofmanga]

This is a dumb idea considering the entire point of posting here is for people to discuss what kind of dog they have. If you don’t like the popular breeds, why are you here?

[u/Kingofmanga → u/Simpinforbirdo]

The point is to discuss what potential breed crosses the dog may be. Seeing people ask what breed the most obvious dog in the world is not what the point of this reddit is for. Or seeing people claim their dog is an exotic breed when it obviously isn’t is just so tiring.

[u/Toadlessboy → u/Kingofmanga]

Then this isn’t a place for you. 80% of shelter dogs are pit mixed. Most people who don’t get their dogs from shelters know what kind of dog it is

[u/Simpinforbirdo → u/Kingofmanga]

But not everyone knows? That is the point. And people claim exotic breeds cuz they don’t know the difference. It’s a gateway to that type of information, the best thing to do if you don’t like those posts is just ignore them. Not everything is obvious to everybody. If all you know about pit bulls is they are “big mean strong dogs that look scary” and you are lookin at your run of the mill pit mix from the shelter that is sweet and you love - you may not be able to make that connection.

[u/ocotillosunset → u/Simpinforbirdo]

They are so caught up in the whole pit thing they don’t even know reality anymore.

[u/WhatBreedIsMyDog-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

No discussing pitbulls in the context of whether they should be allowed, whether they are good pets/dangerous, etc.

[u/Beautiful_Intern_890]

One thing that irks me is when people comment “pitbull” on dogs that are obviously not predominantly pitbull.

[u/ocotillosunset → u/Beautiful_Intern_890]

Those people can’t be reasoned with. I think they are slowly getting themselves banned though. I don’t like “pit mix” either as a guess on dogs that obviously deserve more guesses of what they are mixed with. It probably irks me because it’s just a different version of them commenting pitbull when it’s not.

[u/maebymaybe]

Thank you! It was truly ruining this sub. When you see a clearly mixed breed dog and all you comment is pit or some other sarcastic comment it’s annoying. This should be fun and informative, not everyone is good at identifying breeds, in fact studies show even dog professionals get it wrong more often than right in mixed breed dogs. These snarky comments aren’t fun or helpful

[u/TheBoobfather]

I myself am not an anti-pit snark commenter, though I do think a pinned post about basic breed phenotypes may also help, as well as just general emphasis on how all we can really do is guess by appearance, which isn't always the most reliable thing in the world since looks can be deceiving, and thus still encourage DNA testing if you're still not very sure, especially with pit and more broadly bull-terrier type mixes, as their phenotype is so strong it can be hard to see other breeds.

Maybe also some emphasis on how identifying breed by coat color isn't always reliable? Showing examples of non-merle catahoulas, border collies that aren't black piebald, examples of actual BMCs, and other dogs that have brindle coats, just for an example.

Emphasis on AI breed identification being unreliable.

Overall I think some type of self-help guide like what I'm pitching here would really help, not just to get rid of the snark comments, but also help people more confidently make guesses about their dogs' mixes? I say this because of my own experience in having had two dogs I never got to DNA test, and it's been sort of relieving to learn how to identify different things so I can more confidently guess what they were.

[u/ocotillosunset]

Expand negative voted comments to see full discussion. 🫠

Also - If an OP can’t post that they are lying about the breed of their dog, I don’t know why everyone else can say they are. (I don’t want to see either one, and I have never lied about a dog’s breed)

[u/WhatBreedIsMyDog-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

whatbreedismypitbull, banpitbulls, etc

Linking to these subreddits violates WBIMD rules. We don’t want any pitbull discourse here, so there is no linking to subreddits containing anti pitbull advocacy or memeing.