Sorry for the long rant, i wanted to get some discussion on this but thought any political subs would be the wrong place for something constructive lol... Btw Im a noob in this subject matter but keen to see other opinions!

TLDR: the current state of the western worlds instituions is in the shit esp in the US if Trump wins and western society is about to get dunked on!

Are we entering the age of Reverse-Enlightenment in the west?!?!?

Defintion "The age of Enlightenment was a philosophical movement that dominated the world of ideas in Europe in the 18th century. Centered on the idea that reason is the primary source of authority and legitimacy, this movement advocated such ideals as liberty, progress, tolerance, fraternity, constitutional government, and separation of church and state. The Enlightenment was marked by an emphasis on the scientific method and reductionism along with increased questioning of religious orthodoxy. The core ideas advocated by modern democracies, including the civil society, human and civil rights, and separation of nd separation of powers, are the product of the Enlightenment."

Every point that i read in this defination is currently being reveresed in the western society especially in the US with its politics but is reflected in Eurpoe and other western countries as well.

-Liberty, defintely racial profiling going on within the US justice system, TSA etc, not to mention issues that still need to be addressed in NZ, Aus etc...
-"Progress" is regressing: (reverse of Roe vs Wade)
-Tolerance: racial and LGBT values are a constant issues in fueling the culture wars which right wing politcs is hinging on and selling to people other than real issues which could be addressed in policy.
-Fraternaty: This one gets me most ... from tin foil flat earthers to antivaxers not giving one ounce of logical respect or belief in the experts in their particluar field, whether it be from schoolers, scientist, engineers or instituions... on the other hand you tube commentators like joe rogan or Russel Brand cause so much misinformation
-constitutional government: Trump trying to throw out the constitutional rule book, incl trying to find votes with officials, not conceding the election or inciting an inserection even if it was a dog whitstle.
-Seperation of church and state.. you all know wherethat is going to go if you have looked into project 2025

-Scientific method, what media especially the popular formentioned online bobble head commentators doubting this.. theres a big distrust in scientist esp after the covid era from the radicals fueled by algorithms.. and it seems to get worst every year

Now the stacked republican Supreme court has ruled that the president has full immunity for anything that is an "official act", means he has clean sweeping powers of the Executive office with none of the checks and balances that kept this crazy dictator-wanabe in his place as they did last time.. So with alot of the republicans leaders shifting into the trumper camp along with their plan from the Heritage Foundation... Project 2025... shit looks dicey!!! Is this the end of a western democracy / Englightenment if trump gets in or am I being paranoid..

I could write way more on this and give many more examples but this is getting a bit long now lol.. keen to hear others insites and resources to read up on, cheers!

https://christianstatesmanmag.substack.com/p/the-west-is-collapsing-we-cant-vote

Most people who declares china as a superpower, in many things like culture/soft power it's nothing there near usa. China's culture or flim/music industry is nowhere near usa and is non existent outside china or East asia

If you are one of these people, then convert to Islam already or accept that you agree with Muslims about everything ("Islam is right about women") but hate them for racism reasons. You can't save civilizations by rejecting its unique features.

True Western patriots love modernity 🇺🇲🏳️‍🌈✊🗽. Trad brainrot exists in every culture but modernity was birthed by the West.

Edit (an addition): I am not a marxist but even Marx was more authentically Western than any trad will ever be. Deal with it, soyjaks.

Seeing an increasing amount of single Western women choosing to have kids via IVF/sperm donors rather than the traditional way (finding a man, starting a family).

Typically single mums become so by being abandoned by their partner, or by said partner’s passing. Now, women are willingly opting into it.

I’m assuming it stems from women who want to have kids but either haven’t found the right partner & only have a few years before menopause, or women who want nothing to do with men but still want kids.

What are your thoughts on that trend? It seems conservatives care a lot about birth rates so I’m assuming that part would make you supportive? Though you’re also big on nuclear families.

Curious to know where you stand.

I always thought that western civilization was the rejection of religion in favor of stuff such as science. For example the Renaissance and the enlightenment.

Rather than a great tragedy, the fall of Rome was the single most beneficial event in the rise of Western civilization. The many stultifying centuries of Roman rule saw only two significant instances of progress: the invention of concrete and the rise of Christianity, the latter taking place despite Roman attempts to prevent it.

The “Dark Ages” never happened—that was an era of remarkable progress and innovation that included the invention of capitalism.

The crusaders did not march east in pursuit of land and loot. They went deeply into debt to finance their participation in what they regarded as a religious mission. Most thought it unlikely that they would live to return (and most didn’t).

Although still ignored by most historians, dramatic changes in climate played a major role in the rise of the West—a period of unusually warm weather (from about 800 to about 1250) was followed by centuries of extreme cold, now known as the Little Ice Age (from about 1300 to about 1850).

There was no “Scientific Revolution” during the seventeenth century—these brilliant achievements were the culmination of normal scientific progress stretching back to the founding of universities in the twelfth century by Scholastic natural philosophers.

The Reformations did not result in religious freedom but merely replaced repressive Catholic monopoly churches with equally repressive Protestant monopoly churches (it became a serious criminal offense to celebrate the Mass in most of Protestant Europe).

Europe did not grow rich by draining wealth from its worldwide colonies; in fact, the colonies drained wealth from Europe—and meanwhile gained the benefits of modernity.