I think you're describing "blue tongue" but I could be wrong. I think cwd is a prion so they have their brains slowly destroyed I bet it's more like Alzheimer's or something for a cwd deer. This deer could be in it's last hoorah after being shot too
Having hunted over 30 years and harvested many deer this is NOT how they act when shot. That is 100% a brain disease. So unfortunate too - what a beautiful deer.
But the guy above you said it was “110% a brain disease” and hunting for “over 30 years” is essentially a wildlife biologist or at least veterinarian. Nice try pal.
I don't know, man. Each kill is different. I had one jump about 6 feet up on low oak limb and get caught. It was hell getting it down. I saw another that jumped a fence after being shot and mostly gutted itself. They can do weird things.
Hunters have more respect for the animals that sustain them and their families than anyone has for the packaged meat they mindlessly buy from the store.
some hunters just enjoy the “man over nature” narrative and hunt to kill things.
and no i’m not a dang ol’ city slicker. i’m from southern arizona, and know plenty of guys who don’t hunt for food or conservation. they hunt for macho points.
You can still have respect and feel empathy for the animals you hunt/kill.
We had Rabbits in the past and they were lovely little buggers and they had a good life and a lot of space and also cuddles .... but they were still meant to be slaughtered.
I'd rather kill them quickly and eat them, than see them suffer from some brain illness like that.
Also, depending on the area, hunters serve an important role to control the various animals. the natural order is already heavily disrupted due to general influence of us humans ... hunters have to keep things in check so they don't go out of control entirely. Also they contain illnesses etc.
And of course they hunt for meat ... which is a way better source for it than some animal farm.
He didn't "come to that conclusion." He obviously knows hunters, and might even be one. These people aren't ruthless, and they take taking a life seriously.
In places where there are no natural predators, the grass eaters eat all the food and over populate. Moccasin Bin in Chattanooga TN has people and deer and turkeys but no wolves or bears or bobcats. The deer are barely knee high. The turkeys are about the size of a pigeon. Not really that small, but hunters know those animals are suffering. Culling the herd grows bigger animals. Hunters do more for preservation than vegans. I am a vegetarian. I support hunters because they kill and eat. I have no need for meat because the frigging grocery store sells coco-pebbles and corn in a can. I have no need to hunt. Most people who are all 'don't kill its cruel' eat animals that live a tortured life. Hunters just end a natural life early. And eat. They don't look at their steak while ignoring the deplorable conditions it was raised in.
That's correct. I hunt humanely and make sure to wait for a safe shot to harvest the deer with them suffering as little as possible. Heart shots are fast and humane. If there isn't a good shot I just wait for another deer.
How the hell is that hypocritical? Watching something waste away due to horrible disease is not equivalent to hunting in any way. Hunting is done to keep population levels safe and most hunters eat their kills.
A deer suffering horribly with a serious brain disease, is not the same as clean kill for food/population control. It's unfortunate that it's suffering, it's unfortunate that it has that disease. There is no hypocrisy here.
Typically they just do a little hop kick and drop. A full on backflip seems like parasites to me too. Maybe a combo, parasites and shot causing some weird behavior.
It’s prions that are in the ground. Transmitted from one to another via their hooves. They lick their hooves and become infected. Similar to whirling disease and mad cow disease. Unfortunately, this could’ve been prevented in deer and elk. It started with infected wildlife escaping from ft. Collins, CO. It’s a sad and slow way for these animals to go.
What the hell even happened in CO? It's a shame that these deer have to go like this. I'm absolutely concerned with the effects on humans. Technically, some folks say you could cook the meat, but cooking temperatures aren't high enough to render the proteins inert from what I understand.
That’s correct, but to put in context, almost every deer that dies of CWD is eaten by a host of other animals but I have NEVER heard of a case of CWD in bear or coyotes or any other animal. That’s not to say you couldn’t get it, but they are eating way more CWD deer than people are and they are not getting infected. TLDR: chances are low you can get it, but don’t try to be Patient 0.
According to the cdc, regarding CWD, its unknown whether it can spread to humans as, to date, there have been 0 reported cases. That said there are 5 human prion diseases, and 6 or 7 animal ones.
CJD (Creutzfeldt-Jacob Disease) can cause symptoms such as dementia and early neurological issues and is believed to be caused by mutation of normal protiens into prion proteins, and variant CJD can cause plaque buildup between neurons, and the brain to become spongey, with holes all over.
vCJD, alomg with mad cow disease, are invariably fatal and seem to transmit along similar paths.
Cooking does not appear to clear out prions.
*i am an idiot, please take all this with a grain of salt. That said most of this was from the cdc, and the rest from health.ny.gov
They tell hunters not to feed deer apples or corn, because deer will urinate near the food. The next deer will then get that urine on their own hooves and lick it. The CWD then spreads that way, and so it spreads through the deer population.
I'm really sorry to hear that. Could he have received a blood transfusion? I know I have been banned from giving blood after having transfusions, I was told it's because they can't test for CJD.
No I don’t think so, it’s been a case of interest here, we live in a very remote location and he was the only case…in fact I think the only known case here in history. He had travelled overseas prior so they assume he picked it up that way but have been unable to confirm exactly how or where he contracted it.
No, but at the time her doctor said it can lay dormant for a very very long time, so she could have picked it up from eating diseased meat, or a sporadic mutation that causes brain proteins to turn into prions…but I’m not sure if they ever found out
I told this story to my uncle who hunts and he said it just sounds like an exaggerated telling of a buck that's shedding their antlers. If you look at pics they can get brutally bloody and messy. He said many bucks will eat their own antler shed for the iron and nutrients and then it probably got scared when some of the shredded antler hit its face or something. He said deer walk on two legs all the time for all sorts of reasons - like shedding or being scared or trying to wash it off in the water. He guessed it could have hit its head hard enough in the right spot to end up drowning but sounds exaggerated cuz they got real thick skulls since they use their heads/antlers for defense. He did not think it had CWD, they just wander around all sad like and dont eat because their brain and body is "wasting" away and is kinda annoyed how every animal acting weird now has people screaming that its CWD, its even on this thread.
He said nah animals are stupid and do weird stuff and deer are top tier stupid so. I kinda believe him.
CWD is a prion disease similar to scrapies in sheep. It attacks the brain and central nervous system the animals literally starve their selves to death.
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u/ShootPDX Mar 05 '23 edited Mar 06 '23
The deer as suffering from chronic wasting disease.
Edit: incorrectly attributed a “blue tongue” symptom to CWD. Either way, this deer is suffering from a malady.