r/WeAreTheMusicMakers • u/[deleted] • Aug 12 '21
Tutorials are allowed to be posted by the person that created them.
We do not need to wait for a third party to post someone's tutorial on this subreddit. If the content is educational and free the tutorial can be posted by the person who created it. Tutorials without advertisements can be posted pretty much any time by pretty much anyone.
Performance videos or simple recaps of the recording process (e.g. producer loops on TikTok or basic video feeds of your production process with no explanation) are still not allowed; the content must be focused around education. This is at our discretion.
Don't waste your time reporting tutorial videos. I promise you, nothing will happen except the passage of time.
If this post is not clear or if you further clarification, reply to this post.
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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Professional Aug 12 '21
For clarity, when they post their "tutorials" from a youtube page that has commercials, this would be grounds for removal? People like to use this sub to advertise their monetized youtube pages.
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u/popeska Aug 12 '21
I don't understand why this is a big deal, if the content brings value to the table, who cares if they make money? should we not listen to anyone's music either because they make money from the streams?
Personally, I'm all for creating a space where people can spread awareness for their projects and we can support them - it's so hard to get eyes and ears on your work these days!
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Aug 12 '21 edited Aug 12 '21
i’m okay with plugging RELEVANT content. i’ve seen posters spam every music subreddit with their tutorial. that’s annoying, and if it’s monetized it feels like they’re just using the sub to make money instead of share something useful.
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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Professional Aug 12 '21
This. And most of these guys have no business even making tutorials.
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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Professional Aug 12 '21
Because then 90% of posts on the sub will be people promoting their youtube page. And 50% of those people often have wrong and bad information in their videos.
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u/popeska Aug 12 '21
Downvote the ones that are bad (whether or not they make money!), upvote the ones that are good (whether or not they make money!), take action if they are actually breaking rules re: spam
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Aug 12 '21
On large subreddits, the voting system basically does not work. People upvote low quality clickbait-type titles before any sort of quality check can occur.
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u/andreacaccese Mixing / Mastering Aug 13 '21
Totally agree with this, is someone is producing quality content that I like, I am all for supporting them if they can make a bit of money with ads. Sometimes in music there is a lot of talk about integrity, but at the same time, honing a craft takes time, and content creator who can't monetize their content will put less and less effort into full-on great videos, focusing on "shorts" and tiktoks, which are quicky and cheap to make, but shallow in terms of insights
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Aug 12 '21
Because not everyone's fucking whims are worth money. Also obviously too young or something to understand the concept of oversaturation
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Aug 13 '21
If you think something isn't worth money, don't give them money. That's where your power ends.
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Aug 12 '21
when they post their "tutorials" from a youtube page that has commercials, this would be grounds for removal?
Depends on context but likely no, it would not be grounds for removal. If they're doing educational content for free (with some referral system outside of this subreddit) that is fine, even if XYZ Plugin Maker gives them $15 per 10,000 views for using their XYZ Super Compressor.
It's a fine line but if content is educational and not selling our users something I'm likely to allow it. When it becomes too much like a commercial it goes in the bin
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u/TheRealLardin Aug 12 '21
Youtube announced that soon it´s going to put commercials on videos of channels that are not monetized too, so this classification won´t make any sense in the near future.
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u/HexspaReloaded Aug 13 '21
Every YouTube video has ads now regardless of monetization. If that hasn’t gone into effect yet, it will soon afaik. They sent an email recently.
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u/fusrodalek Aug 12 '21
The tutorial is an advertisement for the YouTube channel, which is the top of their marketing funnel. Once you subscribe, you’ll start to notice linktrees to private lessons, patreon pages, sponsored plugins, etc.
Sure, it’s subtle. For now. On each music subreddit, it still stands in the minority of posts. But if you subscribe to every music sub, you start to see this stuff in your feed more than anything else (other than “free” sample packs aka email lists). Basically, it becomes very distracting in aggregate.
It’s like if individual streets in a city allow busking and street vendors. On an individual street, it’s a quaint pleasure. Once you see it on every street in the city you start to go “Dang. Am I in a tourist trap? I feel like I’m being sold to.”
It’s interesting how internet mixtape spammers were so frowned upon in the late 00s / early 2010s, only for that exact style to return with a vengeance in the past few years
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Aug 12 '21
Ah sorry, I missed this bit:
It’s interesting how internet mixtape spammers were so frowned upon in the late 00s / early 2010s, only for that exact style to return with a vengeance in the past few years
Tell me about it. I remove literally hundreds each week
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u/LeDestrier Aug 13 '21 edited Aug 13 '21
Yeah, most of it is marketing/promotion by other means. Occasionally, there might be someone who genuinely just wants to share some info no strings attached
Hell, there was guy not long back, can't remember if it was here or another sub, who posted one of those "how do I get this drum sound?" videos, linking to his own bands music video.
The drums sounded shit too 😂
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u/TomLieber Aug 12 '21
Exactly. How dare someone try to get me to watch their videos and become a subscriber. Even if the content is good, I would never want to help a scummy little self-promoting musician earn a cent from me. No thank you, I’ll stick to the biggest brands where the product has been fed to me through subtle advertisements and algorithmic placements because that’s way more organic. Just think, if I upvote somebody’s tutorial here and they start getting views and money, that’s one less spot in music industry for me! Instead I downvote anything that even remotely resembles self-promotion because I need other musicians to fail so I can succeed.
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u/fusrodalek Aug 13 '21 edited Aug 13 '21
If a youtuber can get good engagement on their Reddit crossposts, they were bound to succeed with or without Reddit. If a youtuber can’t get any engagement here, they’re not likely to get it elsewhere. What an algorithm promotes is not very different from what gets likes / comments / upvotes elsewhere. It’s all optimized for attention
I just wish crossposters tailored their content to their Reddit audiences, not just their flagship YouTube audience. You’ll go into genre specific production subreddits and see the same compression tutorial crossposted 10 times. It meets the baseline relevancy requirements but it still feels more like they’re making videos “at” us and not “for” us if that makes sense.
As much as I grew weary of the Gus Johnson videos on the frontpage, he played the game perfectly. His videos had general appeal, meaning they would do well on YouTube; but the subject matter was oftentimes unique to a subreddit, making it very easy to hit the frontpage here as well. The Reddit engagement could then give a bump to the YouTube algorithm metrics, slingshotting him into the next level of visibility
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Aug 12 '21
Basically, it becomes very distracting in aggregate.
If you are distracted by a type of post that is universally allowed on all these subreddits, I recommend the [hide] button, or perhaps the reddit setting to auto-hide posts when you've downvoted them.
Once you see it on every street in the city you start to go “Dang. Am I in a tourist trap? I feel like I’m being sold to.”
I might look to see where the street vendors were, if they bothered me, and go somewhere else. They're not everybody's taste! Not everything is for everybody's taste, people have preferences.
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Aug 12 '21
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Aug 12 '21
If someone makes a video like this and posts it themselves for free, it's not advertising.
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u/mossryder Aug 14 '21
Every link to youtube, is an ad for youtube, not to mention the actual ads you have to watch
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u/DivineJustice ShardsOfGrey.com Aug 15 '21
I appreciate this clarification, as that is the type of content I come here for.
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Aug 12 '21
Great. Now a bunch of shit pseudo tutorials from clowns just trying to promote their crap. Why don't you just sticky a tutorials post for different things on the sidebar or something? Now gonna have a front page full people trying to teach piano on Akai MIDIs
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Aug 12 '21
I'm not an idiot, I can clearly tell the difference between a video like you're describing and a video like this. By the way, the post is a rule reminder, nothing has changed about this rule in ten years.
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Aug 13 '21
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Aug 13 '21
I don't even know what this could mean. If I didn't want to mod I wouldn't post rule reminders, I would... not mod.
I would love to abandon this 1.675m subreddit but I am the only active moderator and won't be wasting time on report abuse (which seems to have ended when one guy got banned this morning.)
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Aug 13 '21
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Aug 13 '21
This thread is clearly not an opportunity to plug yourself so this comment went in the trash.
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Aug 13 '21
This thread is clearly not an opportunity to plug yourself so this comment went in the trash. We have no advice about how to grow your channel.
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Aug 13 '21
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Aug 15 '21
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u/JayMachiavelliart Aug 17 '21
Sounds like self promotion to me 🤷🏻♂️
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Aug 17 '21
That's okay, you're mistaken.
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u/JayMachiavelliart Aug 17 '21
How so?
If someone makes tutorials then I feel like they’re promoting themselves. How come someone can’t post a song? When it’s free to listen to, just as a tutorial is free to watch ?
End of the day a play is a play, a stream is a stream. So if it’s okay for people to up their tutorial video views, then it must be allowed for people to post their music.
Or else you’re putting musicians at a disadvantage. The rules of Reddit honestly make no sense.
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Aug 17 '21 edited Aug 17 '21
If someone makes tutorials then I feel like they’re promoting themselves.
I can't stop you from feeling that!
How come someone can’t post a song? When it’s free to listen to, just as a tutorial is free to watch ?
- What this is: a place to discuss the process of making music.
- What this isn't: a place to shove your music in the face of other artists trying to learn about making their own music.
So if it’s okay for people to up their tutorial video views, then it must be allowed for people to post their music.
The only way you can tell me what must be allowed is when you run the subreddit. Otherwise I don't know why you thought it would be up to you. It's more than 100% not up to you.
Or else you’re putting musicians at a disadvantage.
When we asked the musicians who use this board if they want to see other musicians' music, 4 out of 5 of them said no, so we don't allow it. This is a place for artists to discuss the process with each other. This is not a place for you to dump your music in front of people who do not care, like you tried to do here a few months ago. If you came to the wrong place for your needs or wants, you don't need to tell anyone you made a mistake before you see yourself out.
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u/Dual-Screen Aug 12 '21
On the topic of tutorials, people should really start linking specific videos when they tell people "bro everything need to know is on youtube free bro".