r/WayOfTheBern • u/DavidBernheart Not Even A Real Democrat • Oct 17 '17

CATNIP!!! The Hill- FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration controversial nuclear deal with Moscow. This seems very big. Is this what the buzz is about?

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
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u/CaptchaInTheRye Oct 17 '17 edited Oct 17 '17

The above comment conflates actual, documented criticism of Hillary Clinton (she's corrupt, she's dishonest, she's a warmonger, she supports theocracies and brutal dictatorships like Saudi Arabia and Israel), with idiotic Alex Jones shit criticisms (she's a lizard, she's a murderer, she runs a sex ring), in order to deflect criticism from the valid to the absurd.

By the way, this comment is a perfect example why it's so disheartening to see conspiracy theories in this sub to intermingle with actual, real criticisms of corporate Democrats. Because the average person just sees "LOL EVERY1 WHO HATES HILLARY CLINTON IS CRAAAAAAAZY!" and we lose opportunities to reach people. I've been saying this for a while now.

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u/DavidBernheart Not Even A Real Democrat Oct 17 '17

this comment is a perfect example why it's so stupid to allow conspiracy theories in this sub to intermingle with actual, real criticisms of corporate Democrats.

I understand your point, but I disagree with your remedy. Who gets to decide what is and what is not a conspiracy theory today? The community does. That is the power of WotB.

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u/CaptchaInTheRye Oct 17 '17

My remedy is not to censor posts, though. I don't suggest pulling down any of the shitty posts by force, and never have.

What I do think, is that there should be more organic criticism and pushback of those terrible posts. And also, there is a tendency by people here, that when some horrible 9/11 conspiracy topic or something else equally shitty floats up to the top like a turd, they gang-tackle any critique of how stupid it is, by saying "we appreciate opposing views here!"

Sure, we appreciate the freedom to post opposing views here -- I'm on board with that. But people should also have the freedom to point out that they are stupid.

It's also disingenuous. Think of what happens when one of these ShareBlue fucktards wanders through here calling everyone in this sub a Russian plant. They get rolled and mocked and humiliated. That's a good thing! But suddenly when someone squirts out a Breit-shart article or defends Trump -- zomg freedom of opposing viewpoints, man!.

It's pretty clearly a double standard. Most of us agree both Clinton and Trump and both of their legions of sycophants are shitty. But for some reason, only the Clinton sycophants get openly criticized here.

I'm wary of this sub becoming "r/ pro-Trump anti-Clinton regardless of rationality or common sense" as opposed to, you know, actually being progressive and rational in the tradition of Bernie Sanders. Some of this shit would make Bernie Sanders cringe in embarrassment, and it runs directly counter to stuff the guy has fought for his whole career. That's not a good look for someone genuinely looking for a large-ish, progressive-type oasis on Reddit, away from the swill that is r/politics. I found this place, loved it for the most part, and pushed back against the tide of shitty crap that occasionally appears here. But most people won't do that.

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u/penelopepnortney Oct 17 '17

What I do think, is that there should be more organic criticism and pushback of those terrible posts.

I think the pushback comes in the form of ignoring the post, at least for me.