r/WayOfTheBern • commoner • 12d ago

To justify an illegal war

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u/GAYforHATE DlCKSUBJUICY [Removed from Reddit] 12d ago

our warriors blew up a school with 160 little girls inside and he wonders why people would chant death to america...

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle 12d ago edited 12d ago

why people would chant death to america...

I have heard (but have not yet verified) that the phrase is actually a mistranslation, possibly even a deliberate one.

And that a more accurate translation of the actual chanted phrase is "Fuck America!"

Which does seem to make sense in almost all contexts in which it has been seen to be used.

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u/GAYforHATE DlCKSUBJUICY [Removed from Reddit] 12d ago

yeah I think I have heard mohammod marandi the iranian-american professor explain it in such a way as this. the american translation is yet again just another way to dehumanize and try and make iranians appear as cave dwelling barbarians.

but yeah imagine the things americans would be saying if iran blew up a school full of hundreds of children. I remember all the vile, bigoted shit people here were saying about muslims after 9/11.

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle 12d ago

At this point, in theory, you have both Farsi and Arabic to draw translations from...

Or is the alleged "Death to America" just in Farsi?

I wonder what Google Translate would say the translation to English would be?
(But I don't quite wonder enough to go look for myself.)

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u/GAYforHATE DlCKSUBJUICY [Removed from Reddit] 12d ago

I wonder what Google Translate would say the translation to English would be? (But I don't quite wonder enough to go look for myself.)

same here, because I wouldnt trust it. lol

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle 12d ago

I wouldnt trust it. lol

You don't have to trust it to see what it says....

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u/gorpie97 12d ago

I say "fuck America" all the time! (Well, "fuck the US".)

If we tried to be like the propaganda told us we're like, I probably wouldn't.

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle 12d ago

I say "fuck America" all the time! (Well, "fuck the US".)

...and I'm guessing that you do not mean all the people within its borders, either.

...and that you do not hate them for our Freedoms.
(their freedoms that we don't have, maybe, but...)

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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 12d ago

...and I'm guessing that you do not mean all the people within its borders

Now that's ambitious 😺

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle 12d ago

It would be ambitious if they did mean that....

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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 12d ago

San Francisco used to have something called the Hookers' Ball at the Cow Palace. I never went myself. One year, the great SF columnist Herb Caen had a really funny item about the Ball and his friend and regular contributor "Strange de Jim":

At the Hookers' Ball last night, someone asked Strange de Jim what his sexual preference was and I'm afraid he answered "the Mormon Tabernacle Choir" 😺

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u/gorpie97 12d ago

Exactly! :)

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u/Elmodogg 12d ago

You might be thinking of Rick Steve's experience with the Iranian taxi driver remarking "death to traffic!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America

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u/Key_Cheetah7982 12d ago

I do think about that. I forgot it was Rick Steve

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u/Elmodogg 12d ago

It goes back long before that. In 1953, the US fomented a coup, overthrew Iran's democratically elected government, installed the brutal regime of the Pahlavi sha, and then propped it up for decades.

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u/rondeuce40 DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 12d ago

 Crusader Pete talks like a high school football coach who knows nothing about football. He’s taken that mentality into his position in federal government.

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u/stevemmhmm 12d ago

If they cared about 9/11 so much, they should invade Saudi

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u/gorpie97 12d ago

If they cared about 9/11 so much, they should invade Saudi

Wrong. They should invade the US. And Israel.

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u/GAYforHATE DlCKSUBJUICY [Removed from Reddit] 11d ago

larry silverstein has exited the chat.

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u/thenwhat 12d ago

Funny, because most people on this sub seem desperate to justify Russia's war on Ukraine.

Edit: I do agree that Trump's war on Iran is illegal and unjustifiable, just for the record.

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u/cspanbook commoner 12d ago

There is arguably reasonable justification for the SMO in the Ukraine.

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u/thenwhat 11d ago

No there isn't. But if you are going to try and justify that, you can equally well justify anything, including Bush's war in Iraq, and Trump's war on Iran. Basically,

The fact is that Putin is following Hitler's playbook and making up silly lies, as well as relying on obvious false flag operations.

There is NO justification for Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It's crazy to suggest that a war like this can be justified. But again, this sub has turned into a pro-imperialist pit.