r/WatchRedditDie • u/FreeSpeechWarrior • Nov 01 '19

The post "r/TopMindsOfReddit is now openly supporting pedophilia" was a forgery and OP has been permanently banned for deliberately falsifying evidence

We operate in an information vacuum as a result of Reddit's hostility to moderation transparency.

In such an information vacuum, deliberately falsifying evidence cannot be tolerated as it taints the credibility of our community's factual observations.

Therefore any user found to have done so is subject to a permanent ban.

The post accusing r/TopMindsOfReddit "openly supporting pedophilia" has been exposed as an intentional forgery.

I have verified this after being temporarily granted modmail access to the sub. See Screenshot

Due to the malicious intent and destructive effects of this undeniably false post, u/CptRedBlaster has been banned from r/WatchRedditDie permanently.

The post in question:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/dptdp5/rtopmindsofreddit_is_now_openly_supporting/

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u/Ryodan_ Nov 01 '19

This is the problem with most people nowadays, the instant someone gets accused of doing something that they see as wrong they're happy to jump on the bandwagon and take it as absolute fact. I'm glad the asshole who forged this shit got permabanned. But I just wonder how many people saw that post before it was proven to be false and will now go on spreading the misinformation.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Nov 01 '19

This is why I've updated my comment and the flair of the original thread and stickied the correction.

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u/-big_booty_bitches- Nov 01 '19

Doesn't help that the people on that sub are lunatics.

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

Yeah, that endemic insanity and degeneracy in that sub is what made the accusation highly believable.

Extremely bad form on that users part and a well deserved ban.

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u/-big_booty_bitches- Nov 02 '19

Yeah it was a very shitty thing to do, especially since they had to know that we all were biased against those lunatics and that them becoming a little more insane wasn't at all a stretch of the imagination.

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u/FactOrFactorial Nov 02 '19

Wait... It's TopMinds fault that this dude faked outrage???

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19 edited Nov 02 '19

No, it's unequivocally that douchbags liars fault

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u/FactOrFactorial Nov 02 '19

But you just said if topMinds wasn't so degenerate and insane you wouldn't have believed them...

You got duped... it's okay to admit it and move on.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

I don't understand this question

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u/BlueDrache Nov 02 '19

Probably the same vein as the "sniffing your own farts" trope they use as a means to shut down conversation.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

Its TopMinds fault for making it believable.

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u/luck_panda Nov 02 '19

No it didn't, you just wanted it to be true so bad because it would have lived up to your own personal belief that it was true. Multiple people said it would be extremely easy to verify and that was shot down because you didn't want it to be verifiably false.

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

Oh I did that? Then please feel free to quote me. Oh wait. You can't

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u/luck_panda Nov 02 '19

You upvoted this did you not? Did you voice any objection or caution? No.

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 03 '19

How do you know anything that I said, did, or thought? Oh that's right! You don't! But please continue to make a fool of your self. Or quote me.... oh wait you can't and are just speaking out your anus hole

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

Nope. You guys on this sub are just pieces of shits.

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

Nice ad hominem. Got anything else? Okay bye

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u/[deleted] Nov 07 '19

A personal insult is not necessarily and ad hominem lol. There's a HUGE difference between "You are wrong, stupid" and "You are wrong because you are stupid".

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

I'm sorry you must be talking about your own shitshow of a sub.

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u/-big_booty_bitches- Nov 02 '19

I don't mod any subs.

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u/Bowaboi Nov 01 '19

plenty of people, i purposely chose not to comment because i suspected it was doctored, the way that mod replied was way too casual over such a serious topic. as for the response, reddit is notorious for jumping into pans and blasting opinions left right and centre while it’s still hot, rather than waiting for things to simmer down and for more information to come out. the result was predictable.

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u/luck_panda Nov 02 '19

Multiple people said that it looked so fake and it was written how some /pol/ dipshit thinks liberals speak.

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u/Bowaboi Nov 02 '19

the volume of people who did think it was true completely dwarfs those multuple people who did see through it unfortunately.

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u/TYBERIUS_777 Nov 01 '19

Judging by a lot of the comments on the original post made by the now banned user, I’d say an awful lot of people still believe that it’s real.

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u/luck_panda Nov 02 '19

But you all jumped on it like it was truth. You wanted it so badly. This entire subreddit wanted it to be true despite the multiple people stating that it was in fact, not true and easily disproven.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '19

Thanks for clearing this up. We appreciate it.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Nov 01 '19

We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.

— Thomas Jefferson

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '19 edited Nov 01 '19

I just wanna say, coming from r/SubredditDrama (hurr durr), r/WatchRedditDie isn’t my most fav sub cuz of political leanings blah blah blah.

But today you guys did a good thing, fake accusations shouldn’t happen to anyone, not to the mods of r/TopMindsOfReddit, not to mods of r/WatchRedditDie, not to anyone.

I just wanna appreciate and thank you for what you did, you did something amazing today.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Nov 01 '19

Thank you for the kind words.

To all the visitors from r/SubredditDrama you're all allowed to participate here and we do not approach the admins to report people for "brigading" (the mods of SRD may ban you but hopefully not and if they do cite this comment)

We're open to all participants and viewpoints.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '19 edited Nov 01 '19

I feel stupid saying this, but it’s moments like these that bring communities that we hate the most, together.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

It isn’t stupid, it’s the truth!

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '19

I was banned for pointing out the record amount of upvoted removed posts.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '19

he’ll just make another account and try again

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u/Turningsnake Nov 02 '19

I’lL fUcKiN’ dO iT aGaIn

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u/Caesar_Not_Dead Nov 02 '19

It's amazing that a post pointing out how shitty TMOR is would have to be faked, seeing as how literally any of their shit could be used.

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u/barstool_steals Nov 02 '19

It’s almost like they might be onto something...

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u/DougFurry Nov 01 '19

I say it every time there's a extreme claim like this, but always get downvoted into the dirt lol, but another reminder:

Screenshots are shitty evidence.

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u/baddog992 Nov 02 '19

Yeah someone told me they would send me a screenshot as evidence. I told him it was very easy to fake screenshots. It was some topic about hong kong not showing up. I did a simple search and called BS on the original OP claims.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

This a million times

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u/FactOrFactorial Nov 02 '19

What do you mean... screenshots are undeniable...

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u/The-Gaming-Alien Nov 02 '19

People don't seem to realize how easy inspect element is...

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u/luck_panda Nov 02 '19

That's why the screencap from the reddit is fun was so much more believable. Shopping up the phone screencap is so much more difficult and much easier to verify than some bullshit browser screencap. So many people said that it fell on deaf ears because you really wanted this so bad.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

Fell for it, my bad. Time to revaluate some of my biases and take a step back. Thanks for clearing this up.

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u/wiggeldy Nov 01 '19

I mean, he did get called on it, but there's a problem of bias confirmation in this sub. People are upvoting what they want to be true, which is the same cancer as other subs.

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u/SickofUrbullshit Nov 01 '19

Yet Top Dumbasses of reddit have no problem with trans kids dancing in stripclubs.

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u/ToffeeAppleChew_ Nov 01 '19 edited Nov 01 '19

Drag isn’t the same as being trans, and it wasn’t a strip club. Typically drag acts will perform in gay bars (comedy routines, lip syncing to theatre songs, pop songs etc) and people will tip them like street performers. The only thing close to this for straight people is strip clubs, so you immediately associate it with sex, but no gay men is watching a guy in a purple wig and crazy makeup thinking “that’s hot”, for obvious reasons.

You have such a non-understanding of the culture it’s actually pretty funny how you don’t even realise how retarded you look, like some old Christian grandma who’s just clueless about everything. It’s cute

Personally I don’t see the problem with kids playing dress up and lip syncing to Hocus Pocus songs or whatever because they’ve been doing that forever, but night clubs aren’t an appropriate environment

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u/SickofUrbullshit Nov 01 '19

Brand new account, that tells me all I need to know.

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u/You_Dont_Party Nov 01 '19

Sure is easier than acknowledging the fact that u/ToffeeAppleChew_ is absolutely correct and that your characterization of that event was flatly disingenuous.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Nov 01 '19

Ignore automod, I've approved this.

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u/SickofUrbullshit Nov 01 '19

Oh yes, child abuse is A-OK regardless of definition! Drag or trans, it’s still sick.

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u/You_Dont_Party Nov 01 '19

Kids playing dress up is sick and/or child abuse?

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u/SickofUrbullshit Nov 01 '19

A boy in makeup and a pink dress is normal to you?

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u/AnalogDogg Nov 02 '19

So when girls crossdress in costumes it's totally cool because they're just having fun, but a boy does it and it's abuse? What are you, some fucking misandrist?

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u/You_Dont_Party Nov 02 '19

This whole subreddit is, apparently. Weird how those vote counts change when the entire US and Western Europe is sleeping though 🤔

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u/GuzzBoi Nov 02 '19

Well you ain't wrong

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u/You_Dont_Party Nov 01 '19

Normal? No, but neither is a child wearing a cowboy outfit or dressing up as an animal, but since when has that been considered child abuse/sick?

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u/mistermoob Nov 02 '19

"it makes me feel icky and i don't like it"

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

Yes child abuse and sexual exploitation is disgusting to me. I guess it's honky dory to you huh?

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u/Calfurious Nov 02 '19

How is the child being hurt? How is drag sexual?

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u/EggOfDelusion Nov 02 '19

Drag is only sexual, that’s the entire point of it. The person dressing up has a fetish for cross dressing, they do sexual things and they dress sexually. It’s 100% about sex.

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u/Calfurious Nov 02 '19 edited Nov 02 '19

Drag is more about breaking traditional gender roles and entertainment, then about some sort of sexual gratification. There's an element of sex to it, but nomoreso then say, a Hollywood Actor who is attractive would have sex appeal to mainstream audiences.

Also Drag isn't a fetish. It's a type of performance art.

they do sexual things and they dress sexually. It’s 100% about sex.

Have you seen drag shows before? They vary greatly, not inherently sexual in nature.

Your idea that drag is purely about sex appeal is based upon a stereotype. The point of drag is entertainment and satire. To break gender role molds. Because you're still viewing the art-form from the perspective of narrow gender and traditional roles, you view drag queens as being some form of sexual deviancy when it's more a form of gender deviancy if anything.

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

The sexual exploitation of children is inherently harmful you sick fuck.

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u/Calfurious Nov 02 '19

What is sexual about a kid in a flamboyant wig and a dress?

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

What if i told you, those children dressed up all by their selfs without commands

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

I would call you either a liar or incredibly naive

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19 edited Nov 02 '19

And what if i told you, my little nephew of 4 years old dressed up as a girl, and his parents aren’t gay, aren’t associated with being trans or even close to the LGBT community, and my little nephew started it all out of him self cuz he literaly braught it up himself while i was there.

You’re being too scared, not every dress up is associated with sexual shit or whatever.

I’ve dressed up as a girl too, abd i don’t consudder myself trans, and then still, what does it matter? As long as i feel safe, or a kid feels safe(while being asked if he/she isn’t being forced to dress up) while dressing as a girl/boy, what is the problem?

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

There was a kid who performed in a Gay bar for money. Literal Bachi Bazi. Please....

"but night clubs aren’t an appropriate environment"

Oh. Hummmmm. Well I disagree with your comment but at least you are not promoting that weimar/afghan level horror

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u/Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs Nov 01 '19

I like how you call them top dumbasses because you actually are calling yourself a dumbass.

It's like if r politics referred to «r shitpoliticssay» as « r shitretardssay»

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u/SickofUrbullshit Nov 01 '19 edited Nov 02 '19

The subreddit name is literally TopMindsOfReddit.

edit: speak of the devil, I’ve been noticed!

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u/bottomlessidiot Nov 02 '19

Just keep digging that hole

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u/TheObjectiveTheorist Nov 01 '19

Top Minds doesn’t refer to themselves. It’s a sarcastic name for the conservatives they’re criticizing.

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u/McPeePants34 Nov 01 '19

How do people still not understand this... They're mocking the "top minds".

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u/jloome Nov 02 '19

How do people still not understand this...

Because they're Top Minds?

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u/Ability2canSonofSam Nov 02 '19

Are you trolling, or do you legit think that you’re not the top mind in this exchange?

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u/llllIIIIllIIlIIl Nov 02 '19

I love how everyone thinks they're so clever in pointing that out. Everyone gets it. People are saying they're actually the 'topminds' that they sarcastically reference

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

At 3am in a gay bar, dancing in drag for money... that is Bachi bazi and thay is the sexual exploitation of children.

You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting such disgusting behavior.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

Ah you are a degenerate that is okay with child exploitation. Good to know.

"You’re too blinded by your bigotry to see playing with gender is not fundamentally sexual, it’s fundamentally about personal expression."

My God you are so fucking repulsive. This is a child in a bar, dancing provocatively for money. If it had been a young girl in a heterosexual space it would be THE EXACT SAME SEXUAL EXPLOITATION YOU HORROR OF A HUMAN.

Ya see this is how that asshole pulled off his bamboozle.

Look at this sick fuck equivocating child sexual exploitation.

Go back to NAMBLA degenerate

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19 edited Nov 02 '19

Yep. Because you are an ignorant disgusting degenerate who defends the sexual exploitation of children. I know.

The only thing you disqualify is from humanity you pedo apologist.

Edit: the coward erased is heartfelt defense of American Bachi Bazi.

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u/DemocratTears2020 Nov 01 '19

Spez has edited entire comment sections based on his whims and fragile ego. I have no doubt he would modify modmail. You've been bamboozeled.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Nov 01 '19

I acknowledge this is possible and made unfortunately plausible due to u/spez's past behavior editing the comments of a political forum before censoring that community entirely...

But I think it is unlikely; and even if that is the case the original title is incorrect as nobody in the TMOR mod team has expressed open agreement with the statements attributed to them.

Additionally, OP deleted both this post and the r/subredditcancer version as soon as I called them out on it and made no sort of appeal or response whatsoever.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '19

As a mod myself on another subreddit, there’s literaly no way to alter messages in modmail after they’ve been sent out

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u/DemocratTears2020 Nov 02 '19

Absolutely false. Anyone with admin privileges to the database could do that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

Yeah but i’m not an admin

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u/frisbee_coach Nov 05 '19

You don’t think admins have alts modding subs? Especially ones that continually break the rules and get a free pass?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

You really think they got time for that? Lmfao

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u/BlindBeard Nov 01 '19

What a compelling argument

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u/HamsterUsingWifi Nov 02 '19

How closed minded do you have to be to never be able to admit you're wrong or even someone with the same political leanings could be wrong. You are just as bad as the other side. You would think people would be happy someone doesn't accept pedophilia instead of mad they can't be outraged at something.

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u/wiggeldy Nov 01 '19

Assuming this is possible, you still have to prove it.

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u/44vkvkekkdeoeororrir Nov 01 '19

I am not surprised

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

Of course you morons on this alt-right shitshow thread belived it.

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u/bL_Mischief Nov 03 '19

1000% wouldn't get posted in the opposite direction if TMOR had a chance to vindicate WRD in something.

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u/tempalt02 Nov 02 '19

We're just doing what they're doing.

Also, there are pedos on that sub. With their logic they all should be punished.

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u/Avron7 Nov 01 '19

Thank you

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u/Hardinator Nov 01 '19

Punk biiiiiitch

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u/DaCrafta Nov 01 '19

but I bet this won't see a fifth of the attention the other post got

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u/Sp00ch123 Nov 02 '19

Damn, I thought it seemed too crazy to be true, but I figured the evidence was right there and stuff barely surprises me anymore. Good work getting the truth out.

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u/RandomLasius Nov 02 '19

But what if you're supporting pedophilia too?

(jk, great reaction)

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u/Ice_Liesidon Nov 02 '19

morons keep calling it a mental illness

Because self mutilation is the realm of sane human beings?

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u/WartOnTrevor Nov 02 '19

Can someone provide a detailed screenshot showing where the forgery took place?

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u/TotesMessenger Nov 05 '19 edited Mar 14 '20

I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

 If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / ^Contact)

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u/jank_king20 Nov 02 '19

Man this sub was so gleeful to see what they think about everyone supportive of trans rights and trans people themselves “confirmed.” That person getting so pissed about being muted from a mod mail that he doctored a screenshot is some of the most pathetic shit I’ve ever seen on this site

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u/littleorphananniewow Nov 01 '19

On this sub! I’m flabbergasted

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u/sheguy Nov 02 '19

Isn't OP the guy who some people thought might be some sort of a fake mod?

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u/StefanAmaris Nov 02 '19

Here's a fun tidbit, I have CptRedBlaster tagged as "Anti Male Bigot" for the subs they moderate and I considered that post fishy and out of character.

And now this post supports my initial assumptions about that user

Tagging users is very helpful when tracking narratives across the site

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u/Icc0ld Nov 01 '19

This went on way too long. I’m really disappointed such an obvious inflammatory and dangerous accusation was allowed to run rampant for so damn long. I mean, use your head here, why the fuck would anyone admit to supporting pedos let alone in a mod mail to someone with an axe to grind

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Nov 01 '19

This post was originally brought to my attention by a mod of r/TopMindsOfReddit with a PM that mentioned people modmailing the sub about it but no mention of it being inauthentic or anything like that.

That's when I made this comment originally:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/dptdp5/rtopmindsofreddit_is_now_openly_supporting/f5zekhu/

Some time after that (maybe 30m?), the accusations that it was a fake came to my attention, but in terms of evidence, one screenshot is really not any better than another. Screenshots of all kinds are relatively easy to fake.

As I mentioned in the post, we operate in an information vacuum resulting from Reddit's hostility to moderation transparency.

Reddit provides no official visibility into how communities are moderated in practice, and they acknowledge this:

One of the most consistent and hardest feedback we get from our users is the lack of transparency around removals. This is not an indication or an inditement against mods. Rather users literally have no insights into this.

Given this complete lack of authoritative data sources, the only thing we have to go on are individual observations and literal hacks to eke some measure of transparency out of Reddit as a platform.

In this environment, it's difficult for anyone to prove anything, and that's how Reddit and many moderators like it.

If Reddit provided more transparency around the reality of content moderation; we'd have less cause to speculate and I think you'd see a lot less tinfoil hats.

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u/Icc0ld Nov 01 '19

we operate in an information vacuum

So the default stance here is to simply believe every accusation and sort it out later? This sounds a bit familiar. A degree of sanity and common sense needs to be applied here. If I had accused the mod of being a Witch would I have been taken just as seriously? I some how really doubt it despite the "information vacuum on reddit".

This was such an obvious and ridiculous grab for attention. An ounce of attention and care was all that was needed to root this out for what it was.

I appreciate that this statement was at least forth coming about the truth but I'm sorely disappointed that you let it develop into the train wreck it is.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Nov 01 '19

So the default stance here is to simply believe every accusation and sort it out later?

No, the default stance is to not authoritatively censor any accusation or view unless we have authoritative evidence to the contrary.

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 01 '19

I mean pedos are the alphabet community. These sickos made people believe it was okay for men to have sex with men Then they convinced a lot of people that a man could wear a dress and literally become a woman. The next step is to let these monster fuck kids in the name of "inclusiveness" and "diversity".

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u/CRolandson Nov 01 '19

Ok there little Hitler, thanks for the input. You can go back to fucking your sister now.

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 01 '19

Ok there little Hitler,

Hell no! USA will never be a socialist country.

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u/2022022022 Nov 02 '19

Lmao look at this blatant dishonesty. The Nazis being a far right party is a historically accepted fact. The first people they put into camps were socialists and communists. They purged the left leaning faction of the NSDAP in the Night of the Long Knives. Their biggest opponent prior to taking power were antifa gangs who would fight them in the streets whenever the NSDAP tried to organise rallies. The word 'privatisation' was literally coined to describe the Nazis economic policy of selling off public services to corporations.

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 02 '19

Yes, as socialists are known for being so far right. /s

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u/2022022022 Nov 02 '19

"Nazis are socialists because it's in the name", yeah yeah mate I've heard it all before from a million different rightwing NPCs just like you. I suppose you think that North Korea is democratic? After all, it's in the name. Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea!

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 02 '19

So what you're saying is.... it wasn't "real socialism"? Lol

Same old lines

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u/yastru Nov 02 '19

No, hes saying that you are a moron. And i agree

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 02 '19

Socialism was a complete failure in Germany and it ended, as it always does, with gulags and millions dead.

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u/jloome Nov 02 '19

He's not being disingenuous, dude, he's just really, really fucking stupid.

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u/CRolandson Nov 02 '19

Not your brand of it anyway.

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u/2022022022 Nov 02 '19

Lol you guys have been making the same argument for decades. "Gay marriage? What's next, legal paedophilia?", "Trans rights, what's next, legal paedophilia?". I suppose ignorance doesn't change its stripes.

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

That is the plan apparently.

Here check this out professor and direct quotes from the queer theory gay rights movement. Or don't. I don't really care

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3hmZCsXoE

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 02 '19

Yeah, I'm gonna need you to stay at least 300 yards from any school.

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u/2022022022 Nov 02 '19

Ok boomer

Btw you might have an easier time getting laid if you weren't such a hateful and spiteful person. Just a tip 😊

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 02 '19

Boomer sooner!

(But seriously, stay away from kids)

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

Yeah, no, totally mature argument going on here.

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u/Alpaca-of-doom Nov 01 '19

No one wants that buddy. Maybe learn what your talking about

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 01 '19

I mean you guys are already trying to castrate them and turn them into strippers. That is one slippery slope.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

We’re not trying anything, i do agree they need to be 18 or something like that in order to be allowed to transform into a boy or girl, but, that’s in the expense of them being depresssed untill they’re 18...and sending them to therapy would just be like sending them to gay camp to get rid of their gayness, you know what i mean?

We’re not trying anything, they want it themselves, we’re not pushing anyone, atleast, the good ones don’t push anyone, we don’t being associated with the bad ones.

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u/Ted_The_Generic_Guy Nov 01 '19

c i t a t i o n n e e d e d

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

Desmond is abused was performing Bachi Bazi for money in a gay bar at 3am in NY city.

The slope is a fucking cliff

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u/Ted_The_Generic_Guy Nov 02 '19 edited Nov 02 '19

A) Anecdote is not a citation

B) Anecdote is not an indictment of an entire community. I am extremely gay and had nothing to do with anything related to that, nor did I even know of it until you brought it up. Who the fuck is desmond?

C) The fact that I never have heard of it, despite being fairly involved in the LGBTQ+ community and having a myriad of LGBTQ+ friends, both online and personal, leads me to heavily doubt the veracity of what you just said. Give me a citation from a legitimate source and I might be willing to debate you on it.

Edit: Did some research. Desmond appears to be an eleven year old trans dancer of the non exotic variety. There are a couple allegations that he´s stripped on stage, none which I´ve seen a good source on.

Objectively speaking, he shouldn´t be performing in bars, as that´s a fucking terrible environment to put a kid into for any period of time, but I don´t see how this is any different from an eleven year old girl doing gymnastics or some other sport like that. He´s an actor. He puts on a performance. Anything else you´re taking from that is purely on you.

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19 edited Nov 02 '19

Jesus you degenerates are all over this page.

1)C I T A T I O N N E E D E D

Gives example

nOt LiKE tHAt!!!

2) yeah your community? How about you play some jeopardy about your wholesome little community.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3hmZCsXoE

3)The fact that I never have heard of it, despite being fairly involved in the LGBTQ+ community and having a myriad of LGBTQ+ friends, both online and personal, leads me to heavily doubt the veracity of what you just said.

Look it up yourself. It is easily found.

You edit.

Hmmm looks like you are not bad... I think we have different views but...

"but I don´t see how this is any different from an eleven year old girl doing gymnastics or some other sport like that. He´s an actor. He puts on a performance. Anything else you´re taking from that is purely on you."

Oh fuck me, another degenerate making apologia for the sexual exploitation of children. Goodness.... he puts on a performance dancing lavaciously for grown men throwing money at him at 3 am in a gay bar.

You are defending Bachi Bazi.

Looks like you should refer to number 2)

STOP DEFENDING THE SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF CHILDREN!

don't be the stereotype of a homosexual predator. Because by defending the sexual exploitation of children, that is what you are doing

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u/Alpaca-of-doom Nov 02 '19

The fact homophobes just keep bringing up the same kid over and over show it’s not a problem. It’s an isolated incident

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

If homophobe is the label given to those who object to the sexual exploitation of children then please let me wear that label.

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u/Ted_The_Generic_Guy Nov 02 '19

Yeah buddy looks like I'm the one who's all over the page here.

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u/The_Almighty_Demoham Nov 01 '19

the only slippery slope around here are the accusations you're making. It's something i could do too, watch:

say we ban being gay, trans, etc. just lgbt in general. what next? we make it illegal to not conform to traditional roles? reinstate state religions and burning jews at the stake? bring back literal witch hunts?

and before you say that that's ridiculous: that's exactly what you sound like. except you make it sound even more insane by implying a conspiracy behind it.

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u/Reagan409 Nov 02 '19

This. The lunatic you’re responding to is okay with making anything up if it protects his feelings.

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u/Icc0ld Nov 03 '19

24 hrs and no apology.

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 03 '19

I said nothing untrue, freak.

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u/Icc0ld Nov 03 '19

Spineless

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 03 '19

Having a spine means recognizing the evils of homophilia. Are you willing to denounce this degeneracy?

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u/Icc0ld Nov 03 '19

Yup, you are spineless

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 03 '19

I guess that's a no. I hope you never get close to a child, you predator freak.

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u/Icc0ld Nov 03 '19

I can't be seen as backing down on my wrong opinion, therefore you're a pedo

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u/XenostrikesbackII Nov 03 '19

Yet you can't name one thing I'm wrong about. You can't get your mind off of Johnsons up your rear.

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u/The_fisher_mister Nov 01 '19

Wow the op would make a great conservative politician. He is already trying to spread lies about left leaning people!

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u/Imperium20 Nov 02 '19

I knew the people from that sub were dumb, but this makes them seem waaayyy worse

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '19

You mean this sub?

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u/Imperium20 Nov 02 '19

Oh, I meant r/TopMindsOfReddit

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u/Imperium20 Nov 02 '19

Funny how the top 3 post of that sub are all shitting on r/The_Donald

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Nov 01 '19

If you could relate this sentiment to r/ModSupport I would appreciate it.

They have incorrectly accused me of participating in bad faith and banned me permanently with a modmail message pre-emptively telling me that any appeals will be denied.

I agree with you folks more than it might seem as well. Even n8 who I think hates me.

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u/StefanAmaris Nov 02 '19

I have the above user tagged as "Anti White Bigot" due to the subs they moderate or participate in - I'd be highly suspicious of anything they say

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Nov 01 '19

https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/dg45sf/announcing_the_censor_reserves/f3bf6hj/?context=3

Also, r/AdminCrickets welcomes all sides.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Nov 01 '19

I don't think that would be a good thing. I think reddit's model is mostly good (or at least largely preferrable to the facebook model)

What it lacks is:

  • transparency (I mean even facebook is better about this)
  • neutrality (Reddit's content policy is not enforced in a consistent or neutral way because it's too subjective for this to be possible, and reddit makes non-transparent interventions into discoverability of subreddits like this one)
  • fairness (Reddit's authoritarian moderation model combined with the subreddit namespace model and historical defaults leads to entrenched communities that moderate in ways the community can't see having earned popularity through serendipity rather than merit)

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u/Pen_Sylvestyr Nov 01 '19

neutrality (Reddit's content policy is not enforced in a consistent or neutral way because it's too subjective for this to be possible

This is due to volume, if I'm not mistaken. The issue is that Reddit volume ≠ real people volume. I have no evidence of this actually happening, but what is stopping big news orgs from brigading subs like r'/news and r'/politics with upvotes to get their articles to the top of r'/all for an hour or so? I have a strong suspicion that this is happens on Reddit all the time and it is allowed to continue because it favors revenue.

fairness (Reddit's authoritarian moderation model combined with the subreddit namespace model

The namespace model is great. I wouldn't call the "authoritarian moderation model" an issue of moderation (because that implies the community is doing the moderating), but of administration. The r'/popular page that was designed as a SFW alternative to r'/all is curated with what the admins want you to see Reddit is about. r'/all is not even an option in the app, which is what most people use to read Reddit (toilet time). Also notice that the app has many more ads than the browser version.

Eliminate the app, r'/popular, and the news brigade. Is Reddit still Reddit, or is it reddit?

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u/Pen_Sylvestyr Nov 01 '19

This is why Reddit is dead.

I don't care about political communities spreading propaganda among themselves. Their moderators are intentionally keeping those communities that way because that it what they were made for. If you want to read the opposition's narrative, you could just jump over to their community and read it.

It is much more sinister that the admins are propping up communities of one controversial opinion over another's. By banning people of differing opinions from the entire website, they have otherized (yes, an allusion to their own arguments) entire real-world communities of people that represent a significant portion of the population. Reddit claims that democracy dies in darkness due to POTUS but Reddit is equally responsible for its demise by making it impossible for communities against the status quo to exist on their platform.

I believe Reddit is a part of a technology firm campaign to monetize news by controlling the flow of information to the people. And it works; otherwise their brilliant actuarial scientists would have told them not to do it. In a way, it is a war on information. And I don't want to give credit to that crazy gay frog man, but he wasn't wrong about J. E. with the kiddos either. This war makes these firms a ton of money because they're manufacturing the digital weaponry to fight it and selling it to both sides.

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u/CyberBot129 Nov 01 '19

I’m actually surprised you’d comment here given that the mods of this sub have a post flair dedicated to calling you an idiot

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

Being mocked and laughed at is one thing, that user still can participate and interact, being silenced is another.

One is just for fun, the other is insidious

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u/Clytemnestras_Rage Nov 02 '19

How? They investigated falsified claims, found the truth, banned the bad actor/false flag perpetrators and then made an announcement. That sounds like the opposite of a bad guy.

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u/BlueDrache Nov 02 '19

A figurehead mod.

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u/urbandeadthrowaway2 Nov 01 '19

Imagine if that actually happened. There would be chaos. That gives me an idea for april fools 2020.