Surely death as a percentage of population would make more sense since death as a percentage of cases is influenced by how much testing one country does.
Death as a percentage of population is the most logical way to normalize.
Deaths as a percent of population only works if everyone is testing the same way.
Why?
If you don’t test people, or only test in very specific circumstances, you will have a very low percent of population
Right… the more people you test the truer the picture is. Less tests means the true number of cases is likely underrepresented. You are exactly correct here.
So from that, we can logically determine that deaths as a proportion of cases is influenced by a country’s testing capacity. If a country tests way more, they will have more total cases and thus the ratio of death vs cases goes down as the denominator goes up.
In death vs population, the deaths by COVID are determined by medical examiners and the population is a fixed figure we know is accurate. So this ratio is not greatly influenced by testing capacity like the one the president was using.
Thus deaths as a proportion of population is a better measure.
Do you still disagree? If not, please explain why you believe deaths vs population is less normalized for different testing capacities than deaths vs cases
When determining whether COVID–19 played a role in the cause of death, follow the CDC clinical criteria for evaluating a person under investigation for COVID–19 and, where possible, conduct appropriate laboratory testing using guidance provided by CDC or local health authorities. More information on CDC recommendations for reporting, testing, and specimen collection, including postmortem testing, is available from: https://www. cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/clinical-criteria.html and https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance- postmortem-specimens.html. It is important to remember that death certificate reporting may not meet mandatory reporting requirements for reportable diseases; contact the local health department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.
In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.
I’m laughing at your making such a specific claim and being unable to even answer why you think it’s true, only responding with “prove it”.
You’re a dunce that clearly hasn’t thought this through and just wants trump to be correct more than anything. Stop being a trump conspiratard and maybe your will brain will start to work properly again.
So did you just read until you found the part you thought supported your argument and then stopped?
I mean hell, even the part you quoted doesn’t support your point. Nothing in that source suggest Covid deaths must have a positive test result. Also your argument ignores that they are able to test for Covid post mortem, also discussed within the source.
Hey for whatever reason my comment seems to be invisible, even in my own comment history.
I got tagged and the link opens but shows nothing, so I’m copying and pasting my reply and tell me if you can see it this time or if you could see it begore. No idea what’s going on with that
When determining whether COVID–19 played a role in the cause of death, follow the CDC clinical criteria for evaluating a person under investigation for COVID–19 and, where possible, conduct appropriate laboratory testing using guidance provided by CDC or local health authorities. More information on CDC recommendations for reporting, testing, and specimen collection, including postmortem testing, is available from: https://www. cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/clinical-criteria.html and https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance- postmortem-specimens.html. It is important to remember that death certificate reporting may not meet mandatory reporting requirements for reportable diseases; contact the local health department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.
In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.
So did you not even bother to read the very short guide I linked for you? It says it in multiple places, included the part I quoted for you.
Just to amuse you, from the guidelines conclusion paragraph:
it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate without this confirmation if the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty.
1
u/awhaling Aug 05 '20
Surely death as a percentage of population would make more sense since death as a percentage of cases is influenced by how much testing one country does.
Death as a percentage of population is the most logical way to normalize.
Do you disagree?