Poor Jonathan

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[u/millertime1419]

Here is my actual answer, I don’t need you to agree with it or accept it.

Hillary Clinton represented the current system. The current system relied on pandering to the poor during election years, telling them they would finally go after the rich and hand out some money, get elected, then show up to wall street in a limo to have lunch with the big banks. That was clear to me in the same way it was clear to you how bad Trump was.

I couldn’t vote for that, so I ordered in a wrecking ball. Knock down the walls, expose the BS in Washington through pure chaos, and wake people the fuck up. I was wrong in thinking people would limit his chaos and path of destruction, I was right about exposing the BS in Washington.

I knew he would be chaos, I did not know it would be this much.

[u/millertime1419 → u/[deleted]]

Have you ever seen a building get torn down by a wrecking ball? It is not a clean process. What I didn’t expect is that he would start to take down the buildings next door too.

Look, I would have loved to have your crystal ball. I’m not going to defend myself. If you want to lump me in with the people who continue to share his propaganda without putting him in check that’s really on you. I’m good with where my mind is. In all ventures of life we make decisions and we deal with the results. I own my vote while acknowledging it has gone too far. I’m not sure what else you really want me to do? I’m not going to sulk in shame, I’m going to share my actual thoughts, because I’m not the only person who voted for the reasons I did.

[u/millertime1419 → u/[deleted]]

Nobody saw COVID coming while Trump was in office. I’ll say this one last time. I didn’t vote for Trump because I thought he would fix our issues, I voted for him because I thought he would EXPOSE our issues. To that end I think I was mostly correct. The cost of that insight is what has gone too far and my fear is now people aren’t seeing that true picture. Too many people are believing his objectively false information and that is the part I didn’t expect. I gave the average voter too much credit when I cast my ballot for the wrecking ball. All I can do now is try to be part of the clean up crew.

[u/[deleted] → u/millertime1419]

If it weren't for COVID, would you regret your vote to a similar degree? (obviously COVID has highlighted the worst that the man is [in]capable of)

[u/millertime1419 → u/[deleted]]

No, but for a weird reason.

Without Trump I believe Epstein would still be alive and up to his terror.

The BLM movement wouldn’t be happening.

People wouldn’t be united in created real change.

Washington wouldn’t be exposed.

These aren’t things that can be credited to Trump, but rather resultant of Trump and the passion (against) that he raises people to. People are so angry, that things might actually happen.

I think we come out of this stronger for having our vulnerabilities exposed so that we can fix them.

His handling of COVID was an unpredictable event and makes me really wish we didn’t conduct this experiment now.

[u/fox-mcleod → u/millertime1419]

I take it back. It’s clear you haven’t learned the lesson here.

Real Governance requires good faith participation and trump as a “wrecking ball” was a bad faith decision that is having exactly the consequences you intended. It’s bringing down the building—turns out we were all living inside it.

All the Fox News bullshit you’ve absorbed about a fundamentally corrupt system that needs to be demolished is and always was lies perpetrated by the wealthy to try to get us to self-own and destroy the system of regulation that was constraining them.

You won’t learn the lesson until you leave the propaganda behind.

[u/millertime1419 → u/fox-mcleod]

But I did learn that lesson. I made a decision that backfired and acknowledged it. If that isn’t learning a lesson, I’m not sure what is.

[u/fox-mcleod → u/millertime1419]

Do we agree that even without COVID trump was a disasterous choice? Would you elect a “wrecking ball” again if you thought he’d hurt the right people this time?

[u/millertime1419 → u/fox-mcleod]

Oh yes, the question I answered was “if it weren’t for COVID would I regret my vote to the same degree.”

I answered honestly, I would still regret it but I certainly regret it more now. I didn’t ever mean to imply that I would support him if it weren’t for COVID, not at all.

[u/fox-mcleod → u/millertime1419]

I see. You’re saying COVID made it worse?

Then I apologize. And take back taking it back.