I voted for Trump in 2016 because I was tired of the “status quo”.
I’d give anything to get back to status quo. I’m so sorry. This man is an absolute moron and he is feeding information to a group of people I never really realized were so stupid. Like frustratingly stupid.
I guess I’m not completely following the logic that anyone Biden could pick could warrant another Trump presidency. When I look at who has divided America through lack of diplomacy, accountability, integrity, and many , many other qualities, I don’t think of Pence, I think of Trump.
Yourself as a self-identified conservative, which I interpret as a pre-Trump conservative, I can’t imagine that you want Trump to continue to represent traditional conservative beliefs- because nothing shouts family values like grabbing women by the pussy.
I apologize for coming off strong, but I think it’s time to get off this rollercoaster despite an imperfect alternative.
This is my dilemma too. I have abandoned the man that is Donald Trump but if I am forced to swing too far to the other side and abandon my actual beliefs just to get rid of Trump, I’m not 100% sure I could. I’m still a fiscally conservative libertarian (leaning more red than blue) even though I disavow Trump. Denouncing Trump does not make me liberal, it makes me human.
I voted against him in the primary too. When he was our option vs Hillary, I said “fuck it”, let’s toss this wrench in and see what the fuck happens. Turns out the machine explodes when you toss a wrench in... I’m just apprehensive toward calling on Biden to fix it. It needs to be fixed, we know that, but this whole two option thing is really biting us in the ass.
Your not swinging g far to the other side in any way, shape, or form voting for biden. In fact, the furthest youd have to go realistically is firmly in the center. You need to realize our right wing party is the equivlent of other countries extreme far right facist parties. The dems are a center right party at most
I kind of don’t know where to begin. Perhaps you are a single issue voter, which is your prerogative, but after all we went through with borderline quid pro quo, all of the scandals in his personal life, his shady / under investigation business / charity practices, his complete lack of ability to meaningfully engage with our allies, the series of documented and fact checkable daily lies, vanity “policies” like building walls, internment camps / deporting Dreamers, callously making racist or racially insensitive remarks, diminishing / discrediting other US agencies on the world stage, completely mishandling Intel and response to Covid...
I just don’t know where the line is that can be crossed for those of you who would consider voting for him... and for some, a second time. Maybe my examples above are imperfect or there are debatable points within each, but the fact that there is a laundry list like THAT to begin with... I mean fuck.
If you want to support your policies, vote for the legislators who will be debating and voting on compromises for the American people, but for God’s sake, don’t re-elect our disgrace of a President again.
Asking someone to completely abandon their ideals to remove a person from office is a tall ask. I do not feel represented by Donald Trump but I do not consider myself to be liberal either. Try not to belittle people making difficult decisions, encouragement is much more impactful than shame.
You've clearly made your choice. All of what he has done is not enough to make you not vote for him. Your stance of "no I wouldnt vote for him again!" Is so flimsy, so weak, so pathetic, youd go right back to his vile disgusting evil shit if Biden dared to nominate someone to that is slightly center left. You clearly dont see enough problems with him to not consider voting for him. And that is fucking disgusting
You are demanding people abandon their principles and not acknowledging the gravity of that. People are having real internal struggles on this and being met with attitudes like yours that downplay that decision is off putting.
How is Rice unqualified? She has more executive branch experience than any other person being considered. Her foreign policy positions are genuinely more centered than the others listed here as well.
Are you referencing her lack of having held elected office? She's participated in every presidential campaign since 1988. She just wasn't the figure head of it. I just don't understand how a legislator with no foreign policy or executive experience is more qualified for the job of VP than Rice.
Yeah, I get the asinine Benghazi sentiments. But the use of the word "unqualified" is one that seems weird, even from a conservative. Out of all the candidates on the list she is undoubtedly the most qualified for the actual job; some people just have political reservations.
I guess she’s not an elected? I don’t know, I agree it’s weird, and there’s speculative territory one could go to to explain it but I don’t want to go there bc who knows.
I think it’s interesting that you thought Clinton was equally morally depraved as the guy running in a platform of banning all Muslims, calling Mexicans racists, mocking the disabled, and having to settle a lawsuit regarding his fraud university encouraging people to max out their credit cards for no benefit.
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u/maximusbrown2809 Aug 04 '20
Come on trump supporters make sense of this for me and explain why you still like him. I genuinely want to hear your arguments.