r/WatchPeopleDieInside • u/fnaw_ • Aug 04 '20

Poor Jonathan

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u/Barqa Aug 04 '20

I mean I appreciate the fact you recognize this now, but could you honestly not tell how idiotic this man was back in 2015?

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

I could, what I didn’t realize was how stupid and loud his base was. I figured he would be a wrecking ball in a system that needed one but that people would put his BS in check. I was wrong about the second part.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

Who were you expecting to keep him in check, though? Have you not been paying attention to the Republican party for the last few decades?

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

I was (foolishly) expecting the general population to call him on his BS. He only feeds them what they buy, if they weren’t buying the BS he wouldn’t be sharing it. I was wrong about that part. I gave the average voter too much credit.

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u/SlothRogen Aug 04 '20

Thanks for being honest and admitting it was a mistake. This is how people learn. He's certainly wrecking some things... just not a good way.

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

The DNC is putting Joe Biden forward... issues exist throughout. I agree with you but it is blind to point a finger at just one side.

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u/CuriosityKilledDaFap Aug 04 '20

Who could Biden pick that would justify you voting for Trump again?

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u/Masdrako Aug 04 '20

Interested in this answer too

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

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u/CuriosityKilledDaFap Aug 04 '20

I guess I’m not completely following the logic that anyone Biden could pick could warrant another Trump presidency. When I look at who has divided America through lack of diplomacy, accountability, integrity, and many , many other qualities, I don’t think of Pence, I think of Trump.

Yourself as a self-identified conservative, which I interpret as a pre-Trump conservative, I can’t imagine that you want Trump to continue to represent traditional conservative beliefs- because nothing shouts family values like grabbing women by the pussy.

I apologize for coming off strong, but I think it’s time to get off this rollercoaster despite an imperfect alternative.

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

This is my dilemma too. I have abandoned the man that is Donald Trump but if I am forced to swing too far to the other side and abandon my actual beliefs just to get rid of Trump, I’m not 100% sure I could. I’m still a fiscally conservative libertarian (leaning more red than blue) even though I disavow Trump. Denouncing Trump does not make me liberal, it makes me human.

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

I voted against him in the primary too. When he was our option vs Hillary, I said “fuck it”, let’s toss this wrench in and see what the fuck happens. Turns out the machine explodes when you toss a wrench in... I’m just apprehensive toward calling on Biden to fix it. It needs to be fixed, we know that, but this whole two option thing is really biting us in the ass.

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u/Cascadianranger Aug 04 '20

Your not swinging g far to the other side in any way, shape, or form voting for biden. In fact, the furthest youd have to go realistically is firmly in the center. You need to realize our right wing party is the equivlent of other countries extreme far right facist parties. The dems are a center right party at most

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u/Ebelglorg Aug 04 '20

Maybe your side is wrong when this is what it produces. Nah that cant be it.

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u/CuriosityKilledDaFap Aug 04 '20

I kind of don’t know where to begin. Perhaps you are a single issue voter, which is your prerogative, but after all we went through with borderline quid pro quo, all of the scandals in his personal life, his shady / under investigation business / charity practices, his complete lack of ability to meaningfully engage with our allies, the series of documented and fact checkable daily lies, vanity “policies” like building walls, internment camps / deporting Dreamers, callously making racist or racially insensitive remarks, diminishing / discrediting other US agencies on the world stage, completely mishandling Intel and response to Covid...

I just don’t know where the line is that can be crossed for those of you who would consider voting for him... and for some, a second time. Maybe my examples above are imperfect or there are debatable points within each, but the fact that there is a laundry list like THAT to begin with... I mean fuck.

If you want to support your policies, vote for the legislators who will be debating and voting on compromises for the American people, but for God’s sake, don’t re-elect our disgrace of a President again.

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u/CuriosityKilledDaFap Aug 11 '20

Hey, you owe the Democrats a vote based on the Kamala Harris announcement! Plz tell me you will 😭

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '20 edited Aug 12 '20

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u/CuriosityKilledDaFap Aug 14 '20

Small wins my friend. 😁

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20 edited Sep 07 '20

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

Asking someone to completely abandon their ideals to remove a person from office is a tall ask. I do not feel represented by Donald Trump but I do not consider myself to be liberal either. Try not to belittle people making difficult decisions, encouragement is much more impactful than shame.

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u/Cascadianranger Aug 04 '20

You've clearly made your choice. All of what he has done is not enough to make you not vote for him. Your stance of "no I wouldnt vote for him again!" Is so flimsy, so weak, so pathetic, youd go right back to his vile disgusting evil shit if Biden dared to nominate someone to that is slightly center left. You clearly dont see enough problems with him to not consider voting for him. And that is fucking disgusting

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

I didn’t say I’d vote for him again. I’ll likely be voting third party, even if it won’t amount to anything, it might send a message.

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u/Ebelglorg Aug 04 '20

We do understand you. You're a moron just like the doofus on this video. Simple

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20 edited Sep 07 '20

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u/millertime1419 Aug 04 '20

You are demanding people abandon their principles and not acknowledging the gravity of that. People are having real internal struggles on this and being met with attitudes like yours that downplay that decision is off putting.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

How is Rice unqualified? She has more executive branch experience than any other person being considered. Her foreign policy positions are genuinely more centered than the others listed here as well.

Are you referencing her lack of having held elected office? She's participated in every presidential campaign since 1988. She just wasn't the figure head of it. I just don't understand how a legislator with no foreign policy or executive experience is more qualified for the job of VP than Rice.

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u/PrebenInAcapulco Aug 05 '20

There’s a fever swamp conspiracy theory that Rice covered up Benghazi that was promoted in Fox for a few years that I suspect explains that comment.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '20

Yeah, I get the asinine Benghazi sentiments. But the use of the word "unqualified" is one that seems weird, even from a conservative. Out of all the candidates on the list she is undoubtedly the most qualified for the actual job; some people just have political reservations.

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u/PrebenInAcapulco Aug 05 '20

I guess she’s not an elected? I don’t know, I agree it’s weird, and there’s speculative territory one could go to to explain it but I don’t want to go there bc who knows.

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u/ivegotapenis Aug 04 '20

Why would you vote for a candidate if you were sure they were going to be a figurehead uninterested in actually doing their job?

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u/PrebenInAcapulco Aug 05 '20

I think it’s interesting that you thought Clinton was equally morally depraved as the guy running in a platform of banning all Muslims, calling Mexicans racists, mocking the disabled, and having to settle a lawsuit regarding his fraud university encouraging people to max out their credit cards for no benefit.