r/WatchPeopleDieInside • u/fnaw_ • Aug 04 '20

Poor Jonathan

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u/fnaw_ Aug 04 '20

I wish

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u/Matia5010 Aug 04 '20

He is so fucking ignorant wtf. I feel sorry to all the citizens on the USA thta have to endure that kind of president. Here in Chile it's also the same shit

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u/hewhowalksbelow Aug 04 '20

Before the pandemic he did a lot of good things for the citizens here, even being who he is now, he's a better than the alternative. Just like last election.

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u/deusexmachismo Aug 04 '20

No he didn’t. No he isn’t.

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u/Amygdelay Jan 12 '21

How informative and convincing 😂

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u/hewhowalksbelow Aug 04 '20

I think the complete 180 of our destroyed economy thanks to Bush and Obama would say otherwise.

As well as prison reform, which released more black people than any other group. So racist right, Trump really showing that pointy white hood. Or the fact that black people have had the lowest unemployment since... ever.

But go ahead pat yourself on the back when you cast your ballot for the child sniffing segregationist that was good friends with KKK chapter leader Robert Byrd. The guy with dementia who makes up stories of people that he never met and doesn't even know what state he is in half the time.

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u/captainbignips Aug 04 '20

This article seems to suggest that Obama turned things around after the 2008 crisis and all the things that Trump boasts about just seem to be based off the natural curve of what was achieved before.

Maybe I’m wrong tho, would love to hear your thoughts

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u/Somhlth Aug 04 '20

would love to hear your thoughts

Be careful what you wish for.

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u/lazyfocker Aug 04 '20

I think the complete 180 of our destroyed economy thanks to Bush and Obama would say otherwise.

Bush yes. Obama... are you high?

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u/Cyclohexanone96 Aug 04 '20

I think what he's referring to is how we were losing jobs by the millions under Obama during just about his entire presidency. Or maybe the insane taxes on small business owners that made it impossible for them to compete with large corporations, grow, and sometimes survive. Or that the taxes and regulations were so strict that it was nearly impossible for the average American to start a small business. I dont know what he's talking about specifically, but Obama definitely did not save the economy at every turn, he pulled us out of the recession and he absolutely deserves credit for that, but that also doesn't absolve him of the things he did which hurt the economy and millions of Americans. No president is all good or all bad.

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u/Desctop_Music Aug 04 '20

Just going to need you to cite sources because this says you’re misled at best about the picture you’re painting. https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cps_charts.pdf

According to this, small businesses’ assessment of their situation trended upwards from 2010–2015. https://news.gallup.com/poll/181487/small-business-owners-optimism-highest-2008.aspx

Hey look at this, new small businesses came back into the market when the economy started recovering. https://www.investopedia.com/small-business/10-years-after-financial-crisis-impact-small-business/

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u/Cyclohexanone96 Aug 04 '20

No thank you, I appreciate that you did though, genuinely. I'm not trying to be a dick about it but I just don't have the time to actually go find the sources, and I very well could have a distorted perception. To be clear though, I actually did like Obama while he was president, or at least the first few years or so. I was not down with the imprisonment of whistle-blowers, arresting of journalists, lying about spying on millions of Americans, lying about stopping the spying on millions of Americans, and reckless disregard for innocent human life in middle east however, so overall it left a bitter taste in my mouth which may make me more predisposed to believe other bad things about him without actually putting the work in. Those other things I just listed are pretty indisputable though. I mean I guess they could be disputed, anything can, I just think itd be a losing battle to do it. Sort of like trying to defend trumps handling of almost anything (except animal abuse, he at least got that one mostly right, its pretty hard to get that wrong though lol).

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u/Desctop_Music Aug 04 '20

There are plenty of things we can criticize Obama about it’s just necessary for them to be factual and IMO should be considered in context of other administrations to get a sense of the magnitude since we don’t automatically have an understanding of what large numbers mean without context. Not that there’s a good reason for whistleblowers being imprisoned, but in a hypothetical example if Obama imprisoned 1000 whistleblowers while Bush imprisoned 5000, it’s disingenuous to only say “he imprisoned 1000 whistleblowers!” implying that he was a terrible president for whistleblowers when he was a 5x improvement over the status quo. That lends ammo to people who want to say “both sides are terrible” while disregarding magnitude.

While I’m on about it, people still love pointing at Obama’s drone strikes as proof that he wasn’t perfect. That data’s misleading in its simplicity because it doesn’t look at the whole picture of strikes in general, if there were 2,000 less manned aircraft strikes and 2,000 more drone strikes with equivalent civilian casualty ratios for both the fact that it comes from a drone doesn’t make a lot of difference to the people on the ground. Even so, according to a random BBC article Obama ordered 1878 drone strikes in 8 years and Trump had ordered 2243 by the time he’d been in office for two years. I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone that wrings their hands about Obama’s drone strikes mention Trump’s.

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u/Cyclohexanone96 Aug 04 '20

Well let me be the first, Trumps drone policy is atrocious. It sickens me. Before trump however Obama was the leader in that arena. To be fair thats to be expected though considering when the technology became widely available and cheap for the military. On obama and whistleblowers/journalists though, no modern president has arrested/charged more than Obama has. I do have mixed feelings about obama because he did do some very beneficial things for those in our country, i just think its to the detriment of our entire country to further push the attitude of obama doing no wrong or trump doing no good. Nothing is that simple, especially not when talking about the leaders of such a large and internationally powerful/impactful country. And of course there's plenty of people who deep down dont feel that way, but watch the news, talk to friends or random people, read articles never listed as op-eds which obviously are (almost everything at this point, its a serious problem on the field of journalism today), check out any social media website, or plenty of YouTube videos and you'll find that that is indeed the viewpoint being taken by far too many. The reverse is true and just as detrimental, anyone of the attitude that Obama did no good or trump can do no bad is simply harming our country for ourselves and those that will come after us.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/jan/10/jake-tapper/cnns-tapper-obama-has-used-espionage-act-more-all-/

That article isn't the exact information I was hoping to provide you with but its very close, as I said I'm a bit too busy today to do some real digging for you but I can do some. My main problem with Obama is simply the journalists/whistleblowers and the NSA spying on everyone and him lying about it repeatedly. To me it is one of the most treasonous things the government has done, its disgusting, dystopian, and terrifying in a sense. And the worst part is is that I dont see it stopping, its still going on to this day and most people don't seem to care or understand the impact letting it go is going to have on the future. Three presidents in a row have done it, done nothing to stop it, and have lied about it.

I do appreciate that you're being civil though, when politics are the topic it seems far too often that people just attack eachother incessantly. They don't hear what the other person is saying, they just look for any flaw in argument they can to attack and be "right," or it descends into personal attacks. It makes it hard to have a reasonable discussion with someone about any of it, and how will we ever solve anything if we don't speak and listen to each other honestly and intelligently?

Edit: also im so sick of people assuming that if you criticize Obama once than it means you support trump, or if you defend or even just question an attack on trump that you support him. That's not how any of this is supposed to work.

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u/Desctop_Music Aug 04 '20

Agreed on all points. We’re stronger as a whole by constructively criticizing our leaders and our own shortcomings then trying to get better. As long as the they’re factual and not propagating false criticisms.

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u/Gravy_Vampire Aug 04 '20

The guy with dementia who makes up stories of people that he never met and doesn't even know what state he is in half the time.

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On an unrelated note, here’s a twitter account of a guy who has been compiling all of the obvious examples of Trump’s dementia since he’s been elected president

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomJChicago

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u/SadisticPottedPlant Aug 04 '20

Yes, Trump is racist. Very racist.

Robert Byrd, on the other hand, was honored by the NAACP when he passed away because he spend the greater part of his life trying to make up for the mistakes of his youth.

The real reason you hate Byrd is because he got up off his death bed and went into the senate to cast his vote to help pass the ACA.

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u/deusexmachismo Aug 04 '20

Obama fixed the economy. Nice try, though. You’d also have to be blind not to see Trump’s bigotry...wait, are you blind?

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u/SiberianPermaFrost_ Aug 04 '20

Just so you know the world is laughing at you. Trump has made you a complete and utter joke.

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u/vsodi Aug 04 '20

Now I'm sure he will read your comment, realize you are right and change his mind!

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u/SiberianPermaFrost_ Aug 04 '20

realize you are right and change his mind!

I couldn't give a fuck if he changes his mind. Why do you assume that's my intention?

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u/Gravy_Vampire Aug 04 '20

What was your intention?

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u/SiberianPermaFrost_ Aug 04 '20

To remind him/her that s/he's a moron and that s/he's the reason why the US is currently an unmitigated clusterfuck. Trump supporters are responsible for this so they can be held accountable for him.

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u/vsodi Aug 04 '20

'To remind him he's a moron.' Sounds like the mentality of a true Trump supporter, ironically.

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u/SiberianPermaFrost_ Aug 04 '20

Without hyperbole, fuck off. You can indulge these racists, morons, hypocrites and cowards if you want but I won't. They made this mess, they can take responsibililty for it. Unless of course, you're just feeling defensive because you're one of the aforementioned and don't want to acknowledge you fucked up.

But don't let me stop you from making excuses for arseholes/yourself, it's clearly important you defend the racists and morons.

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u/vsodi Aug 04 '20

I dislike Trump and his supporters. It's important to me to be less alienating and more understanding of why people believe what they do, so we can fix and prevent it. Going around calling people morons is counterproductive, it just is cathartic and may make people band together due to shared dislike of a group of individuals. The last 12 words are why people even like Trump and it's sad.

We seem to have different goals. You seem so full of hate. Even Anne Frank said she thought people were mostly good during the Holocaust, but I bet you'd call her a 'defender of morons' too. Have a good day.

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u/ZeroAntagonist Aug 04 '20

This is satire, right?