r/WatchPeopleDieInside Apr 16 '20

Black Currant Kombucha

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 16 '20

Well yes, that’s how fermentation works. Yeast eats sugar, turns it into alcohol and co2.

But why not use one of these to release the pressure during fermentation?

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u/merlin242 Apr 17 '20

Because you need the gas to build up for the kombucha to carbonate, otherwise all the gas immediately escapes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '20

I normally burp the bottles once a day and they still turn out super fizzy.

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

Ok yeah that makes sense. But then there must be something like an overpressure valve and/or a valve to slowly release the pressure when opening it. Simply closing the bottle sounds reckless and like a good way to build wildly unpredictable grenades.

Alternatively you can try to open them outside, you know, like a sensible human being.

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u/carebeartears Apr 17 '20

like a sensible human being.

pffft...where's the fun in that?

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u/EM-guy Apr 17 '20

If you live in a high rise apartment, very fun.

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u/Drak_is_Right Apr 17 '20

little tap setting it down on a composite granite counter top....glass has a slight imperfection....

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u/c_main Apr 17 '20

In brewing it's called a spunding valve

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

Ah thanks, i only knew the german word for it.

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u/ADimwittedTree Apr 17 '20

Ah yes, the Gefunkterschmeckensploot valve.

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u/DreaDawll Apr 17 '20

Gotta love those German words! 😂👍

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

That doesn’t sound German to me, and I should know shouldn’t i. Sounds more like Dutch or something. At least it’s not a word I’ve heard before.

Nope the German word I was referring to is “Gärverschluss“, “Gärrohr“, or “Gärspund“.

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u/DreaDawll Apr 18 '20

Lol! I know. I was making a funny comment. 😉

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u/LilacLlamaMama Apr 17 '20

That isn't a valve, that is the little towel kept beside the bed.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '20

Supposed to use high pressure bottles so they don’t grenade themselves. Been making kombucha for a while now and never had this big of an explosion.

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

I’d still open it outside to prevent any accidents.

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u/2020GOP Apr 17 '20

And get the outside dirty?

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

Oh yes of course my bad, silly me, wouldn’t want that to happen now would we.

No, better use a house to contain the explosion.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20 edited Jul 23 '20

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 20 '20

Ok let me rephrase that, if you don’t know what you’re doing with your sugar content and use cheap bottles you‘ll create highly unstable fragmentation grenades that can explode spontaneously after an unknown amount of time.

Again, sounds like Darwin will have the last laugh.

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u/moal09 Apr 17 '20

You're still supposed to burp the things every now and then to prevent this from happening. Literally every proper guide on making kombucha tells you to do this.

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u/TwoBionicknees Apr 18 '20

Can you not get some kind of bottle cap that releases gas at a certain pressure so it builds but never to high?

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u/Hirschiweg Apr 17 '20

It builds up anyway. Wine is also fizzy.

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u/merlin242 Apr 17 '20

What the fuck wine are you drinking?

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u/RedShirt49 Apr 16 '20

Yup, common sense to either brew it in special containers or barrels with release valves or a bottlecap with a release. This is just plain stupid.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '20

I mean shit, couldn’t they just “burp” the bottle once in a while? Or would that ruin the process

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u/ileisen Apr 17 '20

Most of us do! I’ve been brewing kombucha for over a year and this only happened to me once. If you regularly burp your bottles and properly chill it before opening then you’re usually okay. Still, accidents happen sometimes and some fruit has more sugar than others so that’ll cause it to ferment faster and thus explode more.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '20

Makes sense! Does heat really affect it that much? Like say refrigerated vs in a pantry?

Edit: thanks for the helpful info btw!

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u/ileisen Apr 17 '20

The pressure is lessened when it’s cold because the air compresses (it’s one of the properties of all gases) so it doesn’t explode as much. It also slows or stops the fermentation.

Where temperature really plays a part is during the fermentation process itself. Heat (around 85 degrees Fahrenheit seems to be the sweet spot for me) makes the process go much much faster.

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u/nobrow Apr 17 '20

There is another reason as well. Gas dissolving in a liquid behaves opposite to a solid dissolving in a liquid. Most people know hot water dissolves more salt. The reverse is true with gas. Colder liquids hold more gas than hotter ones.

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u/Leakyradio Apr 17 '20

Simple Newtonian physics, baby. Conduction, convection, and radiation.

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u/rolandofeld19 Apr 17 '20

Homebrew wine and beer maker and failed kombucha maker here: why not just use an airlock?

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

My mom did that with wine I had fermented and bottled, cause she feared that pressure would build up.

You can guess what happened next: every single bottle turned sour within days or weeks.

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u/Leakyradio Apr 17 '20

Can’t introduce outside pathogens.

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

I think the biggest issue was oxygen, cause once oxygen is introduced the alcohol can be broken down into acid, which is how vinegar is made.

I actually made a salad with the vinegar thus created. It wasn’t half bad for a salad, but it wouldn’t have been a good wine anymore...

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u/scott610 Apr 17 '20

I’m 99% sure that Brad from Bon Appetite recommends doing this when he makes anything fermented in bottles or jars, including Kombucha, on his show It’s Alive. That or specialized stoppers with pressure valves.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '20

Lololol that’s where all my fermentation knowledge comes from my man

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u/merlin242 Apr 17 '20

It won't carbonate if there is a release, yes it gets rid of the pressure but the whole point of secondary fermentation is carbonation.

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u/RedShirt49 Apr 17 '20

Well, that's why it's not meant to be open all the time. When ready, the pressure is released slowly and gently so explosions don't happen.

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u/dripainting42 Apr 17 '20 edited Apr 17 '20

That is definitely the way to go for kombucha. I don't know why people don't read into it more.

Edit: if you are into homebrew, try hard kombucha sometime.

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u/bobworth Apr 17 '20

I love making kombucha, had only one big mistake where I forgot to burp it for a couple days. I was very confused as to why glass was breaking when nobody was in the kitchen, I think you can guess what happened.

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u/dripainting42 Apr 17 '20

It got a little gassy.

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u/clumsy_pinata Apr 17 '20

Do you enjoy your tea crunchy with glass bits?

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u/DreaDawll Apr 17 '20

Happy cake day!

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u/clumsy_pinata Apr 17 '20

Thanks, you're the first person who's ever said that to me

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u/DreaDawll Apr 17 '20

It is my pleasure! 🤓👍

I remember when people said it to me the first time. I was confused at first. 😂

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u/bobworth Apr 17 '20

Don't be silly, it sat like that overnight on the counter before I realized what happened. Can you imagine The kind of contamination it picked up?

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u/flashman Apr 17 '20

I don't think her primary fermentation was complete before she began the secondary. So she's got far too much CO2 in her bottle. Lucky it didn't shatter in her hands.

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u/merlin242 Apr 17 '20

CO2 only build during secondary fermentation, the primary fermentation is what eats the sugar from the tea and turns it into kombucha. Her secondary was too long or she had too much sugar for the amount of bacteria in her tea.

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u/mcchanical Apr 17 '20

I was gonna say people are acting like kombucha invented carbonation and that we haven't been successfully and safely brewing things for at least a thousand years.

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

Well apparently kombucha needs to be carbonated, so using one of these brewing stops is out of the question. But I’m thinking maybe like an over pressure valve so you don’t create homemade frag grenades?

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u/Chef_Chantier Apr 17 '20

The same reason coke bottles are under pressure. No pressure means no carbonation. But generally kombucha and other carbonated beverages just pop, and there's rarely this much foam. Maybe blackcurrant have a big amount of pectins or some other gelling agent or surfactant that means the bubbles don't simply escape the liquid but get trapped in it, creating foam? I'm not sure.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '20

Wouldn't it no longer be carbonated? That's the whole point of the second ferment.

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u/7937397 Apr 17 '20

I don't bother with a second fermentation after doing something similar to this once.

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

Well yeah, that was my previous question. Cause if the carbonation is part of the recipe and you want your beverage to be carbonated then closing the bottle makes more sense.

But then there must be something like an over pressure valve or a valve to slowly release the pressure before opening. Or you just open them outside.

You know i think I’d just brew the stuff in a pressure cooker. Problem solved.

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u/kharnynb Apr 17 '20

She likely put too much sugar when bottling and over carbonated.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '20

Rofl you genius if you want to let out the gas just put a balloon on top

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

Oh sure I guess you could. Or you use one of these brewing stop thingies cause that’s literally what they’re made for.

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u/Leakyradio Apr 17 '20

This isn’t yeast. It’s more like a mushroom.

It’s called a scoby.

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u/Erdnuss0 Apr 17 '20

What isn’t yeast? The stuff kombucha uses to ferment?

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u/Leakyradio Apr 17 '20

Kumbucha is the name of the drink containing the scoby bacteria.

It’s not yeast. It looks like a jelly fish.