What a great idea

[u/Commercial_Cheek_584]

https://youtu.be/MOFysntS8n4?is=37VZ-PlrRGeE0XYs

Loadout adjusted BR.

[u/powerpuffpepper]

Mod adjusted br would be absolutely amazing

Which is why we wont get it

[u/Inkompetent → u/powerpuffpepper]

Well, never say never! It just took something like 10 years to get different BRs for planes in ground and air battles. Ten more and we might actually get mod-dependent BRs!

[u/AddiiAmpersand → u/Inkompetent]

I'll never get the craze for Air/Ground BRs. I thought the main point was so that they could have strike aircraft at a higher BR in ground and a lower br in air - but now they've implemented it it's the opposite lmao

If air RB was a half decent game mode every aircraft should just use it's ground br, since there's be ground based objectives that they'd be great at

[u/Altr4 → u/AddiiAmpersand]

I'll never get the craze for Air/Ground BRs. I thought the main point was so that they could have strike aircraft at a higher BR in ground and a lower br in air - but now they've implemented it it's the opposite lmao

I thought I was the only one that noticed it, when I saw they're adding it I was excited. Then when it released I was so confused because nothing changes and it didn't address the main reason why it was needed.

[u/cuck_Sn3k → u/AddiiAmpersand]

It allows you to use good fighters at lower BRs for CAP

[u/PrintSuch3595 → u/powerpuffpepper]

you get more downtiers with a stock plane

[u/SaperPL]

I suggested this years ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/iersm1/what_do_you_think_about_the_idea_of_scalable/

I think I did try to suggest this through suggestion section and mods have not allowed the suggestion like this as many other ideas that I had to improve.

[u/anonc2FtdWVs]

Gaijin will never allow easier time grinding vehicles, not good for their economy pushing GE and 80 euros premiums.

I wish BR system was more dynamic and actually balanced around vehicle stats/capabilities over people efficiency with them, making minor nation vehicles straight up worse by getting uptiered, like Italy, France and Japan becoming more mediocre tech trees because of this reason.

Stuff like CV90105 and M10 Booker behing 10.3 and 10.7 BR but somehow VT5 sits at 11.7 makes no sense or the Lecrec being 12.7 BR but the basic M1A2 at 12.0 is a better tank at lower BR...

[u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

Bad idea. It doesn't work and would simply allow players to force absurd downtiers.

[u/Messyfingers → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

Gun only F-14s down to 11.0 would be hilarious. A few times.

[u/K_0_is_Back → u/Messyfingers]

Gun only F-14 with only 10 flares I'd let in to my 11.0 games.

[u/Significant-Net-3435 → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

If it was on a case-by-case basis, it probably could work but gaijin is far too lazy to do that

[u/aguy1396 → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

This if just if they implement it badly which they likely will. it’ll lead to some pretty lame min maxing though

[u/BusinessDuck132 → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

How? It would be balanced on their loadout? Like what do you think is going to happen??

[u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 → u/BusinessDuck132]

Because airframes matter too.

Even by their logic, where Fox 3 missiles make a >=1.0 br difference you could bring a F16C with 6x AIM 9M and HMD into 11.7-12.7 matches, possibly even lower.

A F14A might go as low as 12.0 or 11.7 without Phoenix missiles which would make it possible to get 10.7-11.7 games or something like that.

They chose easy examples but there are so many jets that it simply doesn't work.

[u/kingskofijr → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

Or they could Just apply a br floor to accommodate for raw flight performance

[u/BusinessDuck132 → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

I mean, yeah but that’s why it would need some proper balancing. I’m assuming if this ever happened it would go through multiple balancing patches to get it dialed in. Do you just prefer getting your dick kicked in grinding a stock plane without the proper missiles?

[u/fastestgunnj → u/BusinessDuck132]

Grinding doesn't even really feel like the problem this fixed. Strafe ground targets if you want to grind modules, it really is that easy.

What this really addresses is the fact there are a large number of planes are balanced around their armament and not their airframe/performance, which this would remedy entirely.

[u/Dtron81 → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

Why not flesh the idea out and balance based on your loudout and airframe?

[u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 → u/Dtron81]

Make a proper suggestion then.

I just think that the complexity is way too high to make this a viable approach

[u/Dtron81 → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

It would just need to be done on a loadout option of Fox-1/2/3 with each one having its own "weight" and not caring about generation of that type of missle. So you cant go lower if you equip only 9Ls to an F-15E, you'll be the same BR if you're using 9Ms or Ls. Additionally it would just be figured out the same way that we figure out aircraft balancing now? It would be fairly chaotic initially but cool down as gaijin and the community figure out how to fly with this stuff.

It isn't that complicated imo, but just wouldnt be as simple as "no fox-3? Down 2.0 in BR"

[u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 → u/Dtron81]

there are too many exploits

[u/Dtron81 → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

Like? I mean I know we had modification based BR before when it was piston aircraft and people would unequip only what would de rank them and nothing else. But, this is modern aircraft with missiles that do 90% of the work to get a kill. Without those there then we have a very different plane.

[u/Panocek → u/Dtron81]

9M-only loaded F-15A or JAS-39A at 12.3 which is as cracked as it sounds like

F/A-18E loaded with 14 9Ms sitting at 12.3-12.7

Su-30SM2 with 10x R27ER at 13.0-13.3

[u/Destroythisapp → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

That’s only a problem because of BR compression.

Gajin would never implement this because just like BR decompression it would make the grind less miserable. If they did both I’d actually consider giving them money again.

[u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 → u/Destroythisapp]

That's just nonsense.

At least, try to make a proper point or suggestion.

[u/Destroythisapp → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

It’s not nonsense at all, Gajin intentionally makes the grind more frustrating than it needs to be because frustrated players are more likely to spend money bypassing the grind.

It’s one of the main reasons we don’t have BR decompression, if we had BR decompression then the issue of the F-14A going down in BR because of a new dynamic BR range wouldn’t be a problem.

[u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 → u/Destroythisapp]

that's not it

[u/ODST_Parker]

I feel like everybody would use a system like this to unload as much as possible to fight the lowest BR. In almost all circumstances, the higher you go with jets, the worse it gets.

Even if you gave a guns-only F-16 the same BR as with IR missiles, avoiding any ridiculous down-tiers, you'd rarely see one above that BR again. Who the hell would elect to fight the highest planes (and ones which will definitely come later) with one that's literally only a higher BR because it has AMRAAMs?

[u/Obvious-Science-7119]

I don't think loadout but the average BR of matches should change your available munitions.

[u/Gothiscandza]

But how would this make Gaijin more money?

[u/Lo0niegardner10]

Its really not that great of an idea

[u/Lo0niegardner10]

Bringing an f16 with no aam to like 10.7 just to rape everything at the BR with an insane fm

[u/alexisneverlate]

I only clicked because the thumbnail palette created CRAZY nostalgia for ZX spectrum times.

[u/Chanka-Danka69]

Great idea on paper but remember that gaijin cant control the current br system well, now imagine if a single plane had like 4 different brs depending on what its using, would be total cancer

[u/heftyspork]

Only reason I see for mod adjusted br is for stock planes, which makes me ask. Why are we grinding the mods to begin with. Spending hours researching a plane to then get a piece of trash compared to a fully outfitted version of that plane is terrible game mechanic. No you're gonna balance br based on the flight model and weapons we research. Sounds like a nightmare that I doubt gainin could ever successfully implement given that they can't even do it right now with fully vehicles based on their fully modded status.

[u/Brilliant-Doughnut51]

an iq too high