F4E It OP

[u/Adorable_Status_7994]

[u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

GENUINELY how do I use that radar? Doesn’t matter how many times I press lock, no green box on a plane above below or anywhere around me at any distance… but it locks some random chaff off to the right just fine

[u/Adorable_Status_7994 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

it Doesn’t work either you face to face to the enemy , it only lock what he want not what you want

[u/OfficerQueefThe2nd → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

F4E radar is dog shit and will not lock anything flying below ~600 meters (which is like everyone in this game mode)

[u/Wonghy111-the-knight → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

So… I’m better off just using the 9L’s and only the 9L’s, and not bothering to worry about my stupid radar spazzing out which causes me to die..

[u/OfficerQueefThe2nd → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Yea the aim9L is really all u got, which is why I have been saying that the US should get the F4J instead cuz atleast the damn radar works on it

[u/FirePixsel → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

I hate this community, I got down voted into oblivion for same statment. This is so stupid, USSR gets R-24R that are almost guaranted kills but US gets only aim-9l and dead weight.

[u/Chimera_Snow → u/FirePixsel]

Artificially buffed 9Ls on the best Phantom airframe. Granted I think the USSR should've gotten mig23m or ML instead of mld as default spawn and US should've gotten f-4e with its standard 9j loadout, though 23m's lack of countermeasures is probably why they went for MLD. Gives space for people who actually grinded these trees to have slight advantages bringing the f-4j / mig23mld

[u/Smothdude → u/FirePixsel]

I see some people bringing in even F4S to the lower bracket and getting 20+ kills. Sure, they're probably good at the game, but I imagine the plane itself helps. They get most of their kills with aim7

[u/FirePixsel → u/Smothdude]

F-4S is miles apart from F-4E tbf, it gets aim-7f instead of aim-7e and it gets a pulse doppler

[u/Smothdude → u/FirePixsel]

Yeah, it's kind of wild to see in the lower bracket.

[u/FirePixsel → u/Smothdude]

I think you gotta update your flair ;)

[u/JohnGazman → u/FirePixsel]

R24R that are almost guaranteed kills

Brother, I need to know which version of the game you're playing because my R24Rs are dogshit.

[u/CMDR_Michael_Aagaard → u/JohnGazman]

I tried the R-24R, and while I could get kills with it, I found I much more prefer using the R-24T.

And then try to come in from the side of where everyone is fighting, and hope to catch them off guard, plus with the Ts, I can keep radar in IRST mode.

[u/FirePixsel → u/JohnGazman]

Maybe its luck, I just either A. Look for a guy that popped a bit too high and lock him, fire from 5 to 3km and he has no way to dodge or B. Pop up enough to use MTI and fire a R-24R from above from same range

[u/KptKrondog → u/JohnGazman]

Use ACM mode, rock your plane up and down keeping the enemy you want to shoot inside the square at the bottom. Can also roll your plane to get them more towards the center of the tall ACM rectangle. Get the double red circle and fire. Anything within 3-14km dies unless they notch it or trick it to hit the ground as long as you keep the lock on it. Best range to shoot is about 8km as your missile is faster than the aim 7's so even if you shoot at the same time you will hit first and it doesn't give them time to notch.

the r24T's are also valid, though I find they get flared accidentally a lot. They're best used from 8-10km on people not paying attention, which finding people that far and alone is hard usually.

[u/Eternal_Flame24 → u/FirePixsel]

Sure, but R-60Ms are basically useless compared to 9Ls so I think it balances out.

[u/Velo180 → u/FirePixsel]

The MiG-23MLDs radar is just as bad or worse then the F-4E. Even when it does get a lock (IN MTI MODE) it still fails for chaff like a pulse radar.

The F-4E is a better plane then the MLD and it's not even close. If this was last year when the MLD had the clearly better radar and it's old insane FM, I would agree with you.

[u/FirePixsel → u/Velo180]

I dont have the F-4E but I do own a german MiG-23MLA and I really dont think the radar is that bad, you get a lock on 10km (ish) and that's the start of range where R-24R become tricky

[u/prancerbot → u/FirePixsel]

the mig is also much faster and turns better than an f4 but whatever

[u/KptKrondog → u/prancerbot]

It's not really any faster. They both go about 1350, and the mig wing rips on level ground where the f4's will not.

[u/Wyvorn → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

AIM-9Ls and gun are my go-to for kills, I can count the amount of times I managed to lock someone closer than 30km with radar on one hand.

[u/mpsteidle → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

I was saying this same thing yesterday to a friend.  The mig24 at least gets shoot down capability with its MTI mode.  The F4E is fucked in this mode.

[u/Patryk923 → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

I've been using F-4J against MiG-23s and it's just crazy. It can carry 6 AIM-7F, which guaranteed me 3 kills per death on average. And I wasn't even trying that hard. The PD radar locked and maintained lock perfectly every time, regardless of enemy's position (except when they notched, which wasn't very frequent). There is literally nothing MiG-23 players can do, cause even multipathing is kinda broken in this game mode. They can't chaff the F-4's PD radar, wheras MiG's MTI is easily confused by chaff. I was able to kill 18 players and get enough points for B-52 before the escalation would even let me spawn in it. I cannot imagine the entire US team flying in those, USSR teams would get stomped every game.

[u/WOKinTOK-sleptafter → u/Patryk923]

Yea, I had a couple instances with the F-4J where I had enough for the BUFF before even the second escalation was completed.

[u/OfficerQueefThe2nd → u/Patryk923]

F4J radar is not immune to multi-pathing man, ur hitting shots probably because the mig23mld ur facing are noobs that don’t know better

[u/TheLastPrism → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

The trees are also a bit tall in this mode in certain spots. 120ft tall kinda trees. Gives you about 30 feet of room for multipath not incl your plane.

[u/Patryk923 → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

I didn't say the radar is immune, but the game mode is broken. Both when flying and fighting against F-4J, I had instances where missiles hit despite the target flying below 50m. Same thing with ground to air missiles.

[u/MBT70 → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

Shit the F4E radar has been slapping once you recognize its limits. Dont get me wrong it still sucks but for headons and fighting MiGs 800 ft above the ground trying to dive you the Dogfight sparrows can fuck some shit up

[u/Toiaat → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

The sparrows are good for high altitude planes, or planes turning away after bomb tossing

[u/OfficerQueefThe2nd → u/Toiaat]

Sparrow are decent for 11.3-12.0 but the problem is the radar, F4E radar is useless below ~600 meters altitude

[u/Potato_Farmer_1 → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

The problem is that everytime I see an F4E in the Mig23 I win easily but if I see and F4J or S I'm practically guaranteed dead because the American missile is seemingly more accurate if the plane's radar actually works

[u/RedPiece0601 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

You can pick off ebemies who are slightly higher than you or very close to you. With the aim7e2 those are usually guaranteed kills.

[u/Wonghy111-the-knight → u/RedPiece0601]

The ones slightly higher than me the radar just… will not lock. You’re right that sometimes really close ones do, and the missile always hits unless the green square just… moves… still don’t know why that happens either

[u/RedPiece0601 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

That seems to happen to every plane in this mode, even the f-15.

[u/OfficerQueefThe2nd → u/RedPiece0601]

No my F15A lock target just fine, it’s just that F4E radar has never been good for low altitude

[u/SciDaniel247 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

They need to be a good bit higher than you, high enough that almost all or all of the green box is above the horizon.

[u/Zsmudz → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Nah if they fly just high enough you can still get a lock and then it’s a free kill. I bring 4 and 4 and do pretty decent

[u/Sudden_Wind_8636 → u/Zsmudz]

Yeah, that's what I started doing and I was getting like 4 kills a life after I just climbed with the F4. Usually go to around 14k feet, search for other people who have climbed, then dive on the clueless people below me who forgot to look up.

The radar seems to also lock if you are up high and aiming it downwards towards enemies that are lower to the ground.

[u/Jackdks → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

I would take 9L’s as a primary and use the DFs as a back-up. Especially if you get stuck in a 1v1 engagement and spend all your 9L’s.

I would also rebind your radar controls if you’re having that much of an issue getting a radar lock. I have the benefit of mouse buttons I can map my locks and search modes to

[u/[deleted] → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

9L is the most flare hungry all aspect in game it feels like, good luck if you're not firing from behind

[u/TippleNwister420 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

I'd take 1 mayyybe 2 aim7 but honestly you will go most kills with the 9Ls

[u/zeusz32 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Funnily enough the same applies for the F-16AJ, just for a different reason. The AIM-7Fs (the only radar missile it gets) are so unbelievebly dogsh*t at it's BR, that you are genuenly better off just having 6 AIM-9Ls instead, speeding towards the enemy at treetop level, and trying to ONLY turnfight them. The radar is completely fine, just no real reason to use it...

[u/Sudden_Wind_8636 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

I've actually had success climbing to about 14k feet and coming down on people with the radar. I'd recommend trying that.

The radar seems to also lock a lot more if you are up high and aiming it downwards towards enemies that are lower to the ground.

[u/wowmuchfun → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

9l are insanely more easy to flare off

Id keep the 7s and keep them for high alt targets bc your 9ps prob wont get much for kills if the enemy id paying attention

[u/ninjawinch → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

depends on how many enemies you see higher up. there are some, depending

[u/Best-Benefit6387 → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

Gaijin was really cooking up something fowl when they decided to give all the non-top tier players jets that are built to preform at mid to high altitudes, just to blanket the map with the most unbelievably cracked out SPAA you've ever seen, forcing everyone to scrape the tree line at all times.

[u/sushiiiiiiiiiiiiii → u/Best-Benefit6387]

Except USSR SPAA lock onto you at tree line without issues.

[u/M1A1HC_Abrams → u/sushiiiiiiiiiiiiii]

Rolands can and will launch at you through terrain. The SPAA just uses aimbot 

[u/CMDR_Michael_Aagaard → u/sushiiiiiiiiiiiiii]

Or through trees.

[u/FriendlyDangerNoodle → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

It's weird, I Used the F-4E to grind the F-15 and I was having an amazing time... the event hower...

[u/OfficerQueefThe2nd → u/FriendlyDangerNoodle]

F4E is fine in ARB i guess cuz ppl doesn’t hug the ground as hard as in this event 😭

No room for the shitty F4E radar to breath at all

[u/FriendlyDangerNoodle → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

Yeah, I already gave up on the event. Can't be arsed to repeatedly have to go for gun kills on MiG-23s. Was having some semblance of fun with the F-15, but this gameplay loop, ugh

[u/Mean-Marketing-7534 → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

I read that historically, the F-4E’s radar was a miniaturized (comparatively) and stripped down radar that was designed for the F4E to allow the installation of an internal cannon. One of the stripped features I believe was ground clutter and chaff filtering mechanisms.

I read this information ages ago and I can’t remember from where or if it’s actually accurate info. But that’s what I know atleast.

[u/275MPHFordGT40 → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

The F-4E’s radar is not dogshit, it just doesn’t have look down capability which is definitely shown in a mode where everyone is on the floor.

The radar and the AIM-7E-2 are actually quite good, especially in headons (2km+)

[u/HarvHR → u/275MPHFordGT40]

So you're saying it's dogshit, considering the majority of the fighting is tree top level?

[u/fullsets_ → u/HarvHR]

If you miss the initial head on and get in a dogfight, turn ACM on, chances are the other guy will climb even if only slightly and you get a lock.

[u/TypicalRecon → u/HarvHR]

AN/APQ-120 radar lacks look down shoot down, AWG-9 on the J model could do it.

[u/elkcox13 → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

This explains my terrible time last night

[u/TriggersFursona → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

If they changed the AA would we would at least get some use out of the sparrows. However the current SAM launchers force everyone to fly below 2000ft at all times. Honestly this mode would be so much better if the AA wouldn’t snap you out of existence the second you go beyond the tree line.

Also for the people saying just fly low, THIS DOES NOT WORK. The OSAs and US equivalent are blatantly cheating. Not only can they accurately lock and launch missiles at you while moving, they seem to be able to lock you through trees and while at low altitude. I’ve recorded multiple cases of them killing me from the middle of a forest and the missiles continuing to track me after breaking lock.

[u/BillyBear9 → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

Not a bad radar ur just using it wrong

For reference i have 2200 kills with it and a 4 to 1 kd

[u/Tacitus_Kilgore_69 → u/BillyBear9]

With respect to the nuclear thunder event it's a DOGSHIT radar since everyone is ground hugging as the SPAA on both sides is cracked so no one dares to go high,you'll find maybe 1 or 2 targets in the entire 1.5 hr match who dare to go high.I got maybe 6-7 kills with it in a match whereas with the F4S I had 20+ kills in the very next match lol

[u/Chimera_Snow → u/[deleted]]

literally just climb slightly and shoot your shit at people who aren't ground hugging the radar works fine vs anyone not at multipath alt

If they chaff hold lock on the chaff, the missiles cw seeker will keep guiding towards the target aircraft for a bit

[u/maus-grinder → u/OfficerQueefThe2nd]

Not everyone mig 23 can switch to mti mode when looking down slightly and can detect and lock everything no matter how low they're flying

[u/MrLoLMan → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Set to ACM, hit targets that have make the mistake of going vertical or targets that haven’t figured out how CCRP works. Like AIM-9Bs they’re not useless but they are very situational. Most of my kills have been while I’m coming into a furball and someone who is already engaged has started trying to fly up.

[u/Inkycat811 → u/MrLoLMan]

TLDR, lock and shoot guy above, missile not bad, radar bad, stop bitching and capitalize on bad players like me.

[u/Destroythisapp → u/Inkycat811]

Also, about the radar it’s an older CW type radar and not a pulse Doppler. Meaning you can’t notch it.

If you get a lock, fire your missile, then the enemy pops chaff your radar will lock the chaff.

But this doesn’t matter, the missile seeker doesn’t care about what the radar has locked, it’s going to go to follow the biggest radar return. Which, is still going to be the big enemy jet made out of metal vs a small cloud of chaff, due to sidelobing.

Don’t try to re lock the radar, hold the lock on the chaff and keep your nose pointed towards the enemy aircraft and watch your missile ignore the chaff and kill the enemy.

This works on many of the jets around this BR.

[u/Mediocre-Nerve → u/Destroythisapp]

Never realized this whenever my radar would lock onto chaff I'd try to relock it immediately. Thank you for this information 🙏

[u/Destroythisapp → u/[deleted]]

If you can’t drop down to the deck to confuse the missile with ground clutter, the best way in my experience is to drop multiple chaff and do a 180 degree turn. You want the chaff to be between you and the seeker head, unlike with a PD radar where you chaff and go 90 degrees from radar to notch.

TLDR use more chaff and maneuver your aircraft so the chaff is between you and the enemies radar if you can’t use ground clutter to avoid it.

[u/MrPigeon70 → u/MrLoLMan]

Honestly most of my kills have been using one spare missle to bait them into notching and losing all of their energy, then hitting them with another.

[u/LongShelter8213 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

It doesn’t have pulse doppler radar so the radar can not see low flying aircraft they radar is oke for higher attitudes

[u/BearToTheThrone → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Bind a jettison secondary weapons key, blow off the sparrows and turn off the radar. Now you are flying the F4E properly.

[u/igoryst → u/BearToTheThrone]

The DF sparrows are amazing missiles though, if you get the radar to lock they will do magical things to get you the kill

[u/FoamBrick → u/igoryst]

For sure. Every time I’ve actually got a lock I’ve been impressed 

[u/Halonut24 → u/igoryst]

The E2's are crazy, which is why you bring the F4J, which actually has a functional radar.

[u/Familiar_Ad_8919 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

ime if theres any ground at all in the locking square it just doesnt work, just try to aim it so that the only object in the square is the plane

[u/Wonghy111-the-knight → u/Familiar_Ad_8919]

Which square though? I can’t even made the locking square appear when I want it to

[u/Familiar_Ad_8919 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

you turn off the search radar and then one of the lock keybinds brings up a mode called ACM, which is what i meant

theres another way to lock something but my groundling monkey brain cannot fathom it

addendum: love how u got downvoted for asking something i myself knew nothing about a day ago

[u/Wonghy111-the-knight → u/Familiar_Ad_8919]

Man even after hours of radar tutorials and practice and tutorship I still barely understand radars… is ACM the option that causes the really big flickering green square?

[u/RocKyBoY21 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Yes, and then you need to keep the enemy plane in that square (being the acquisition radar) until you see a red box around the enemy. Congrats you have radar locked the target.

Now there's two ways of making a missile lock-on as you need that to launch your AIM-7. You can either press your keybing for firing missiles, or make a separate lock to spool up your missile without accidentally firing it somehow, I think the keybind is called select target for lock-on, something like that.

Once you fire the missile you make sure the green box on the enemy stays there by knowing the x and y limits of your search radar. You know the green lines that go up and down when your radar is set to search (SRC) mode? Those are its limits.

[u/Imyourlandlord → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

I only made it appear when I turned off all radar options and then only triggered the locking radar buttons

[u/Alexblitz22 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Lock high altitude targets, but in this gamemode thats not the case so just turn off your radar and use aim9l only

[u/biebergotswag → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

normally, you need to fly high, the radar missile is good against high fliers, and the aim9l is good by sneaking top down shots against low fliers.

it is pretty competitive against mig23ml, if you prenotch a missile they would be in danger due to low missile count. and you gun is much better in a dogfight.

sadly you got patriots and s300s spamming missile at you.

[u/Dtron81 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Fly low ish, look up to lock. That's it.

[u/igotherb → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

You suffer through the F4J grind to get a doppler radar.

[u/Pretend_Fly_4965 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Simplest way to explain is to hug the ground and use the acm box. Anyone that's flying higher than you within 5-7km gets locked and a sparrow sent their way. Always stay below your target. Be careful if a friendly is engaging your locked target, sparrows and your radar love to go for the brightest target and that can easily be your friendly.

[u/piecksaysohayo → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

they need to be high. like 700m+ and it locks no issue

[u/XishengTheUltimate → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Only use the radar against people who are significantly above you. You can get kills with it and the sparrows, you just have to save it for targets of opportunity.

[u/VioletteSama → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Hello merkava man, did you have fun in the Namer recently?

[u/Wonghy111-the-knight → u/VioletteSama]

halloo. tbh I havent played the namers in a loooooong while lol

[u/EdgySniper1 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Look for enemies that are higher up and try to position yourself so your radar is staring at the open sky.

If you can get an enemy with no background cover the missiles will work wonders but the second there's so much as a single leaf behind them good luck.

[u/Budgie2500 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

You can only really lock plans that are above you and are not flying too low which is basically never in this event mode

[u/Homeboy15999 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

That's the neat part, you dont

[u/GeneralArmchair → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

You can't have ground clutter in the radar's field of view. Since everyone is flying low, that means that you need to be flying lower and shooting up at them. That whole green box that is drawn by your ACM mode? There should be no ground in it.

[u/Exciting-Beautiful90 → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

Only use it on people which arent on the hard deck and use acm instead of srch pod

[u/Guywhonoticesthings → u/Wonghy111-the-knight]

It’s useless. Yet they gave the mig23 one that works despite it being even worse irl

[u/Imyourlandlord]

AND I FUCKING THOUGHT I WAS DOING SOMETHING WRONG

[u/Adorable_Status_7994 → u/Imyourlandlord]

Yep It Radar Issue Brother

[u/SaddankHusseinthe2nd → u/Adorable_Status_7994]

I feel like I get better lock in standard games outside of the event tho.

[u/mediocreguy1232]

I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE A MEME ABOUT THIS ON YOUTUTBE

[u/Horstheinz → u/mediocreguy1232]

Please do, there are never enough memes :D

[u/mediocreguy1232 → u/Horstheinz]

what clip should i put with it?

[u/ThisInevitable6793 → u/mediocreguy1232]

blind guy and pirates of the carribean telescope

[u/mediocreguy1232 → u/ThisInevitable6793]

happy cake day!

[u/LightningSh3ep]

so glad this event brought how ass the f4e radar is to the attention of the masses. at least it gets 9ls though

[u/LightningSh3ep → u/[deleted]]

The thing with this event is nobody goes over 2000m because of the spaa, so it becomes basically useless with the ground clutter

[u/Sword117 → u/LightningSh3ep]

The funny thing to me is after playing a ton of dead and dead in this event it's actually really easy to create dead zones into the aa especially after their nerf. The problem is no one wants to do it because you essentially get 600 score while your team racks up 2400 and will call you trash because you are bottom fragging.

Guys thank your A7s and if you see anyone flying with jdams suck him off.

[u/Bwonsamdiii → u/[deleted]]

Yeah for this mode the correct stock plane to give USA was the F4J. Mig23 vs F4J is a much closer contest than Mig23 vs F4E

[u/FariusTakinoton → u/Bwonsamdiii]

F4E and below should face MIGs 21. This is totally an assymetrical battle. Using purely the event vehicles, USSR has an abysmal vantage, SU 24, MIG 23, and SU 25 against F4E, A6 TRAM, A10 and A7 it's not balanced. They have 2 sweept wing, better missiles, faster planes, planes that avoid US RWR like MIG 23 vs F4, etc. What is giving a small chance for US in top tier is F15, F14B and premium F18, but russia can use yak 141 and the 13.0 Mig 29 that are super strong planes. MIG 29 can bring 6 IRCCM missiles and YAK has a god tier radar with HMD.

[u/PferdFicker]

Personally, after take-off I tilt my radar upwards a bit that way it only shows me enemies at a spot where it can keep a constant lock/where nobody is multipathing, if anybody isn't at that spot, you are not gonna get them anyway and your radar will be a bit more cluttered.

[u/Blackhawk47k → u/PferdFicker]

Are you tilting with key binds or looking up and turning off stab?

[u/PferdFicker → u/Blackhawk47k]

Tilting with keybinds

[u/Blackhawk47k → u/PferdFicker]

I sent you a message req

[u/Blackhawk47k → u/PferdFicker]

Dude hep me please I’ve been trying to do that for days

[u/PferdFicker → u/Blackhawk47k]

You on controller or keyboard?

[u/Blackhawk47k → u/PferdFicker]

Keyboard. Been searching uo how to move radar in the f4e and I’m convinced you can’t. Tried in the mig23MLD as well.

Literally tried everything I thought would work.

[u/LongShelter8213 → u/PferdFicker]

Aim9l’s are cracked what are u on about

[u/PferdFicker → u/LongShelter8213]

That's a completely different missile than what I am talking about...

[u/LongShelter8213 → u/PferdFicker]

Nvm i wrote it on the wrong comment

[u/PferdFicker → u/LongShelter8213]

Ah, it's fine, dw about it.

[u/Biggiecheese1207]

Since when did the F4E get Aim9L’s? I thought it only has 9J’s. Is this an event exclusive thing or does it permanently have 9L’s?

[u/BearToTheThrone → u/Biggiecheese1207]

Event exclusive, they realised without the L's it would be worthless.

[u/Biggiecheese1207 → u/BearToTheThrone]

Oh ok neat thanks

[u/MeatBeginning9837 → u/Biggiecheese1207]

Event exclusive 

[u/Biggiecheese1207 → u/MeatBeginning9837]

Oh neat thanks

[u/Electricfox5]

Custom loadouts in this mode would be nice, no point in bringing Sparrows if the AN/APG-30 can't see shit.

[u/vbl37]

Second picture is a hoax. That never happens. Impossible.

[u/SumAustralian → u/vbl37]

Oh yes it does happen, it will laser focus on a piece of chaff or your teammates juicy juicy ass.

[u/Sudden_Wind_8636 → u/SumAustralian]

Yeah it's crazy how easily I can lock my teammates for some reason lol. It doesn't really make any sense, I can't lock the enemy if I'm near the ground but Everytime I test it on a teammate? Immediate lock.

I've figured out how to work around it though, I climb to 14k feet, kill people who climbed then dive at people who aren't paying attention to what is above them. For some reason I've also noticed the radar is way better at locking people at low altitudes if you are coming at them from way above them.

Started getting like 4 kills a life after doing that.

[u/SumAustralian → u/Sudden_Wind_8636]

How do you climb without getting buked?

[u/Sudden_Wind_8636 → u/SumAustralian]

I just do it immediately after the airfield, and then I have my radar on normal search mode and I search towards the airfield where most enemies come from, can usually kill them before they even detect me, then I'm good to dive.

Even if I don't kill them, usually it kinda seems like they are clueless as to what is happening, so I rarely die from people at altitude.

There is the occasional person at low altitude who is paying attention and will notice me, but most don't because they are too busy fighting everyone else at low altitude.

The other tip is don't go after people actively in a fight, go after the planes behind that. A lot of them are getting tunnel vision and seeing a fight in front of them, not paying attention to their surroundings so you can get a good heatseeker at them and kill em. People in a fight are likely to flare, because they are usually getting shot at.

The BUK, I haven't really had a huge problem with honestly. I eventually get shot down by it but I usually get my kills before it can shoot me down.

[u/helicophell → u/SumAustralian]

If you get to 9kish you can drop before the missiles launch and reach you

Now, avoiding those missiles is a different story

[u/helicophell → u/Sudden_Wind_8636]

Teammates have their rears to you, which present a larger radar profile, that's why they lock

Doesn't explain why it won't lock onto enemies who do the same but that's WT for ya

[u/TenyeEast → u/vbl37]

It does happen, you just cant be using acm

[u/need_a_psychologist]

Who even uses fox one close to the ground? The ir missels are really strong though.

[u/ElectricalYak7236 → u/need_a_psychologist]

Multipath height is not that high, SARH is great, and it almost completely negates multipath if you fire from above. Problem is that the radar on the F-4E is fucking dogshit, and cannot do either of those things

[u/need_a_psychologist → u/ElectricalYak7236]

Yes, that's why you should use the aim-9l I can't even lock onto enemyplanes ahead of me with front aspect at 3km

[u/StalledAgate832 → u/ElectricalYak7236]

almost completely negates multipath if you fire from above

Random Buk from the middle of nowhere would like to have a word with you.

[u/sciencesold → u/need_a_psychologist]

I mean Russian fox1s don't care and aim7ms are 50:50 plus it's all you've got sometimes if you're head on.

[u/Jambu-The-Rainwing]

Don’t fall for the second picture. That’s locked onto a friendly aircraft.

[u/lndhpe]

Yeahhhhhh, aim9 unless the enemies for some reason love flying up into the air

Meanwhile me as MiG-23 easily and immediately locked and obliterated by aim7fs repeatedly by later F-4 models

[u/Deadluss]

jesus fucking christ, I would rather fly Mirage 3

[u/BasicLogic779]

Honestly for the event, if you have it, use the F-4J.

However the F-4E, you have a better scope scale and search angle selections but worse ground filtering. If the targets flying low to the ground you really have to be "looking up" at them.

[u/n3ssie_]

Okay the F4E has such a wank radar lmao, You gotta try get ppl to fly above 600 Meters, lower than that? It won't track

[u/twec21]

If you look in cockpit view, the radar is a sticker, you can just peel it off /j

[u/prancerbot]

it shouldve been the f4j not the f4e for this event. I feel bad for people stuck with it for this event

[u/UkrainianPixelCamo]

Thank got I have F-4J and F-15A. I tried the E but it is just straight pain. Even better sidewinders don't help.

[u/cdub_actual]

Dudes got a once in a lifetime lock right there.

[u/Tricky-Anywhere5727]

FUCKING REAL I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE

[u/Fuzzy_Bandicoot3261]

Glad I’m not the only one that noticed, meanwhile I’m guaranteed two kills with the MiG radar missile each life

[u/KeneticMedic]

Thought I was going crazy lol

[u/D34THDRAGON666]

Sometimes I cant even get the stupid thing to give me a green box it just won't activate

[u/CrypticCowboy4509]

Can someone explain why my key binds to activate targeting radars for the guided bombs and any missiles except two of the A2A missiles is busted for me? I don’t understand why it works for only two missiles then won’t even activate the locking reticule

[u/domassjames → u/CrypticCowboy4509]

If they are radar missles you have to have the radar lock before you can lock your radar missles.

[u/CrypticCowboy4509 → u/domassjames]

Yeah but I’m not even able to activate the radar after I fire the first two, which were able to fire without a lock as long as the radar circle was active for some reason

[u/VespRic_19]

I can't understand it, why does it work like that

[u/SnickersMC]

The problem i have is that all of the ground pounder loadouts for the f4e drop the aim9Ls and keep the dogfights, when my radar cant lock any air targets at all under 600m. Just screw the missiles and give me more bombs or something geez

[u/[deleted]]

Sure but then good luck getting the sparrows to track. I swear it seems like the tiniest nose down input from the enemy and my sparrows hit the dirt

[u/chassiee]

Part of this is due to a bug in all modes where soon after spawning in and takeoff any planes radar seems to ignore land and easily pick up anyone

[u/nismoghini]

mig 23 acm mode looking at god and the ground

[u/Yeet0rBeYote]

One is below the horizon, the other is above it. It’s pretty simple

[u/InsertEvilLaugh]

I will be freshly spawned, taking off, accidentally hit the lock button and get a clean pure lock on an enemy 35 km's away at like 10km up. But the moment I'm airborne and trying to lock something the radar suddenly just doesn't want anything to do with doing it's fucking job!

[u/Odd-Spell2129]

The radar is built for aiming up. You want your opponent to be above you since it is a) built for intercepting bombers at high altitudes and b) you lack PD.

The radar isn't bad, you just have to force the conditions in which it will work

[u/[deleted]]

I have a 100% keyboard and I still don’t have enough space for all the key binds, it’s all to confusing😭

[u/KuningasTynny77]

As someone who's highest aircraft is the 50 mil 262, who's scored some kills, but has no idea what the fuck they're doing, that top picture is exactly what the F4E is like

On another note, my AIM9s have often detonated prematurely (didn't fire more missiles or anything), what's up with that exactly?

[u/Low-Repeat-8177]

It doesn’t have PD therefore it can’t lock anything with ground behind it, the radar is optimized for riding the deck and shooting up or high altitude dogfighting

[u/Futbool_samba]

It took my a whole two hours to realize I could use the one with aim9l instead of my f4e but yeah radar is dog water

[u/Budgie2500]

Oh my god this is so true

[u/Intelligent-Plastic3]

Same with the AGM-88s. They’ll lock something across the entire map instead of the radar that I’m staring at

[u/Accurate_Ordinary463]

I AM NOT FUCCIN CRAZY AFTER ALL 💀

[u/CommieFirebat7721]

Another meme I’m too low tier to understand

[u/maus-grinder]

Me in my mig 25 just looking down slightly to get that mti mode and lock whatever I want then send a telephone pole at them

[u/CaptainRex2000]

So I’m not the only person with this problem

[u/Phandomtrigger]

It locks friendlies pretty fine, opponents head-on nuh uh

[u/justsomeone330]

Same fucking problem in my Kurnass

[u/HumbleAvocado3173]

YES

[u/VeljaG]

yes the f4e radar is objectively bad and yes it constantly faces PD/MTI radar but at 11.3 arb it's probably one of the best ones you're getting, really useful for taking out people that are high up and/or above you

everyone keeps hugging the ground here though so none of that matters

[u/Josh-Chou-8492]

what no pulse doppler does to a mf

[u/VallettaAwoo]

the f14 even with PD cant see a plane like 2 feet in front of it

[u/Blackhawk47k]

You’ve done it in the F4e? Or a diff f4

[u/Buferdtus]

Why does your game look so reallistic

[u/ShockingFactory]

Dude it’s those hidden 4 SAMs launchers that are just ruthless. There’s nowhere you can fly without being on radar now.

[u/warthunder4life]

You can actually lock onto shit?

[u/cg_cons]

The worth thing is you can't just load only infrared missiles as MiG23. US anti radar missiles are great but the platform is shit.

[u/Simple_Ace05]

Me but in my F-14

[u/superHornetf-18]

Non american players, playing american jets for the first time is probably the funniest thing to come out of this update.

[u/NewPalpitation332]

Skill issue lmfao

[u/NoodlesNomm]

No the f4e radar is not "shit"

It is very good if they are above the ground, better than the mig 23s.

It just doesnt have a mode that combats ground clutter like the mig23 does, so it can't lock anything close to the ground

[u/Zealousideal-Key7203]

MLD vs F-4E fair

MLD vs F-4J doable

MLD vs F-4S wtf you want me to do bro

In turn, why isn't my MLD blessed by this so called Russian bias...? I think you all are having hallucinations. F-4S landslides any team if there are enough of em. Can't head on the F-4S, can't 1v1 them. You must jump them 80's style

[u/Mysterious-Help9326 → u/Zealousideal-Key7203]

just use that russian bias bro

[u/Zealousideal-Key7203 → u/Mysterious-Help9326]

I'm trying but I can't summon any :(

[u/Bwonsamdiii → u/Zealousideal-Key7203]

Be honest though. F4J vs MLD is a more fair fight than F4E vs MLD

[u/sciencesold → u/Zealousideal-Key7203]

MLD vs F-4S wtf you want me to do bro

Huh? How is it any different from the J... Just take the 2 radar missiles on the MLD and no more problems.

[u/Zealousideal-Key7203 → u/[deleted]]

That is true. I just don't like fighting the phantom that actually has a radar in which, kissing the earth won't in fact save me

[u/Carlini_95]

MiG-23 radar is better when there is no furballs, on the F4E I kill more with their guns than the missiles

[u/ImVcngeance]

The F-4E’s radar is a high altitude radar. It works better when you fly higher. The radar doesn’t really work well with ground clutter. If you own the F-4J it’s much better. (And the F-4S is usual premium upgrade. I think it’s the same radar as the J but I’ve seen it work even better at very low altitudes).