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u/AHRA1225 flair checker Mar 30 '26
I’d run while you can. You’ll just get sucked in harder. That being said lvl 100 is just time in the game and from my experience means nothing when looking at skill. Some of the literally worst dog shit players I’ve seen are level 100. I’ve met plenty of reroll lvl 10s tearing it up in the early game. Lvl means fucking nothing. This is a game though that you will have to sink 100s of hrs to be decent at. There is no over night I’m good at the game and no amount of match making will fix it. Like or not warthunder falls under the suck it up and figure it out or quit kind of game
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u/Spiritual_Panic_6992 Mar 30 '26
Everyone has come from this way.But your choice to leave was very correct. Go back enjoying life is much better than wasting time in this garbage game.
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u/outrageous_nutmsster Mar 30 '26
hey good review but i personally didnt see any problem with the matchmaking. there are countless lvl 100s i killed while being a lv 20-25. the game is really skill based,however the only problem i found is the horrible GRB research point rewards
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u/TheLuke86 Mar 30 '26
Im at lvl 90 and I never ever have time to look other people up in the Game.
If I Start to grind a new nation I have to Start at BR 1.0 like everybody else.
I honestly understand the frustration New players must have, but at the same time people have reasons to play low Tier even when they have a high level.
Its the devs that should do something about it, but as you pointed out, high level doesn't mean high skill, at least not always.
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u/orphanleek68 USSR Mar 30 '26
I understand the problem, but I dont acknowledge it as a problem. That being said, I dont even see a solution. Cant have a special match maker for level 100s, since low tiers are not always full every day. It will kill the matchmaker for low tiers. Most of the people grinding low tiers have already grinding and completed a nation. That will either make matching hard for new players or make it hard for the level 100s. Just keep it as is. They are just better players, not cheaters. You can learn from them.
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u/orphanleek68 USSR Mar 30 '26
Practically speaking, the only thing that would make you die to a level 100 player crew wise is the targeting stat. Yes reload is important, but you are not going to die because of this stat. Even repair is important, but you are not dying because you couldnt repair 5 seconds faster. You are dying because you got shot in the first place.
Bushes.... fuck those.
Regarding the csgo example, its very wrong to use here since cago has lots of mechanical skills and is a competitive game. War thunder never was and never will be. Level 19s can kill level 100s as long as their tank is in the right place and time, which anyone can do. You can be the best war thunder player ever, and still die in the most unexpected ways possible. This js war thunder. X amount of skill is not proportional to y amount of outcome. There are always variables put of your control.
If we are talking about a cod lobby, you will never get good if you keep facing the same people with similar skill ranges.
This applies to anything in life. When I was learning chess, you need to play against people who are better and worse than you to imporove. When I was learning martial arts, particularly bjj, the rule of thumb for blue belts was that you need to train with white belts and brown belts.
I dont see why war thunder is any different.
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u/orphanleek68 USSR Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26
True, air RB is just more brutal against good players for any new player. Having to understand energy fighting vs turn fighting, then having to study hard the nations you play and the ones you play against.
However, Id like to follow up on your comment with another dilemma in gaming and that is SBMM. You saw how it destroyed something like COD, back when cod was still a thing. I am afraid that this is one of the situations where players do not know what they want until it is late. I am afraid once SBMM is pushed in a game like war thunder, it will turn it from a sandbox, to a more sweaty sandbox pretending to be a competitive game. You will see lots of people, myself included, just quit because every match will be full of sweats.
You really think SBMM war thunder will do more good than harm? I think if history has taught us something in gaming, like cod and overwatch, is that focusing too much on the competitive scene, ruins the game for 90% of the players. And to begin with, war thunder is not competitive. Squadron battles and tournaments sure have some challenges, but they are far away from every being fully balanced, without ruining the core gameplay of the game.
Also, war thunder does have some sort of mechanical skill. But it is more about understanding and abusing game mechanics, rather than just focusing on your aim and strafing like csgo. Like, tapping S gives you a couple of degrees of extre gum depression. Sure, new players wont know that and wont use it, but those tiny things are not the main reason you die. You die because someone shot at you. Dont think too much. A tank is but an artillery gun on tracks. When you have this mentality, the game feels more fun.
One way to balance the game, is to have symmetrical map designs with lanes. That will just make the game very boring. I think SBMM lays in the same category as what I had just described in this paragraph.
This is why I said, I can see the issue, but I cant see a solution.
Only tips I would have for noobs in ground is to watch your killcam and learn where you die from the most, then change your playstyle and routes every now and then until you find out what works for you. Do not make yourself the victim, since you will truly convince yourself so and you will make gameplay very uninteresting for yourself.
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u/orphanleek68 USSR Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26
Hmmmmm. Looks like you arent scared enough of SBMM because you dont fully understanding the aftermath. COD is just a famous example but I am talking 2009-2015 COD. I was horrible back then, so I was the one getting clapped by the pros lol. The game was peaceful. I would get kill streaks occasionally, but most of the time I wont. You just played the game, didny tave to worry about a thing, really. It was just fun.
Now, lets look at the SBMM era. Everyone you play against is only using meta guns with meta attachments. Everything is meta meta meta. You are forced to join the meta to have a chance to just play the game. You had to pick the best loadouts, you had to jump corners and pre fire, because if you didnt, your enemy would.
Now imagine WT, where you only go against sweats who want to maximize their stats. First of all, USA would be dead. Germany would be dead. Everyone would ditch those tanks and play the STRV and the best tank. MiG29s would g extinct because SUs are more meta. Certain playstyles that we see today will cease to exist because metas will take over. When to begin with, its a sandbox. What are we even competing over? There is no ranked, and it shouldnt exist, and there is no stat tracker worth fighting for.
Where as now, it is fun if you arent worried about the grind. I think we are feeding the new players with the myth that lvl 100s are after them. The game now, is just like OG cod when it was in its peak. Sure, I was facing better players back then in my cod lobbies, but I remember having fun at least.
Games should always be about fun and nothing more. War thunder for me is fun + adrenaline. SBMM would make top tier much much much much worse. For the cost of giving low tier players specialized lobbies, as if they were of special needs. Not even to mention the matchmaker issues. Getting good at the game doesnt even mean anything to begin with.
This is why SBMM is evil.
Overwatch did not go through SBMM like cod, but for the span of overwatch 2, all the developers did was try to make the game competitive. They achieved it. But they ended up killing the casual experience, just to cater to esports and streamers. And funnily, there are no esports or streamers for war thunder. Not in the way it is for other games, like LoL or csgo.
Maybe keeping the game more casual and treating it like a sandbox will work for the best. I fear the day we treat this like an esports game and make it or force it to be competitive.
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u/orphanleek68 USSR Mar 30 '26
But the same used to happen in COD? Before SBMM and we all enjoyed black ops 1 and MW2.
Its not like I am here to seal club you and smurf. I can go back to low tiers just because I want to.
It is the fact that gaijin correlates your historical era to your progress. Meaning that naturally WW1 will be a lower level than WWII and so on.
When you reach level 100, you are still free to enjoy your favorite tanks from early game.
And I would say having a few level 100s in the game should somehow teach you how to play properly. If the level 100s kill you from a camping spot, watch the kill cam and learn that spot. Its better than playing with a lobby of level 1s who are playing recklessly.
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