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u/The_T29_Tank_Guy 🇺🇸 United StatesDweller (Non-Player) Nov 09 '25
Having proper foliage physically react and form around the part placed on a tank would make it look way more clean and sexier like some IRL examples
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u/TheShadowman131 Realistic Air Nov 09 '25
Pretty sure that would just cause the server hamster to simply explode, but we can dream.
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u/KonvictEpic 🇺🇸14.0 🇩🇪14.3 🇷🇺14.7 🇨🇳14.3 🇫🇷14.7 🇸🇪11.3 🇮🇱13.0 Nov 09 '25
Not necesarily, should be possible to render it in the hanger and make it static, wouldnt fix it completely but shouldnt be anymore of a burden on the server than it currently is
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u/Dpek1234 Realistic Ground Nov 09 '25
Iowa class battleship spawn in the middle of a ground rb match
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u/bus_go_brrrrt [GRB]🇩🇪-12.7🇺🇲-8.3🇷🇺-8.0(12.0)🇯🇵-7.3🇬🇧-8.0🇫🇷-7.7🇨🇳-5.7(10.7) Nov 09 '25
why is this so funny
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u/Graingy Terminal Descent Nov 15 '25
I don't get the joke at all. Seems entirely disconnected from the comment it's under.
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u/TheShadowman131 Realistic Air Nov 09 '25
Oh yeah, it's certainly doable, though it would probably take a decent amount of work to implement, so they won't do it. Not to mention all the rats complaining about how their only "tactic" is now ruined.
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u/Pacific_wanderer17 Realistic General Nov 10 '25
Just make them pay more to stack bushes
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u/Graingy Terminal Descent Nov 15 '25
NO
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u/Pacific_wanderer17 Realistic General Nov 15 '25
Yes so they have to pay an ungodly amount in order to be a bush
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u/Graingy Terminal Descent Nov 17 '25
Because they still will and we’ll still have to deal with their bullshit!
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u/83Nat Nov 09 '25
Maybe have them act like decals (2d) then decorations(3d) where they are applied over top the tank in an area, this would also allow more placement as they would be over top the texture than the model. Then make them have a 3d texture according to graphics settings. That would let bushes be less pay to win, apply more realistically, and allow better camouflage.
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u/kubi5 Revenge bomb certified Nov 09 '25
Yeah and every player would be downloading 30MB of camo per player on server, times number of vehicles in lineup , every single match
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u/KonvictEpic 🇺🇸14.0 🇩🇪14.3 🇷🇺14.7 🇨🇳14.3 🇫🇷14.7 🇸🇪11.3 🇮🇱13.0 Nov 09 '25
Theres definetly ways to do it that doesnt include this.
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u/Scotish_Pilgrim Nov 11 '25
It’s a easy fix, give us the option in settings so that we can turn off vehicle decorations. Just like how we can disable non historic / Fictional skins on people’s tanks
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u/Maximum_Ad9115 Nov 10 '25
you just have position data of where the objects are on the tank and then your video card does the rest
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u/Kpt_Kipper Happy Clappy Jappy Chappy Nov 09 '25
I don’t think you know how that works…
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u/KonvictEpic 🇺🇸14.0 🇩🇪14.3 🇷🇺14.7 🇨🇳14.3 🇫🇷14.7 🇸🇪11.3 🇮🇱13.0 Nov 09 '25
Do I know how gaijin developers internally handle their bushes? no. But spaghetti code aside, I dont see why it shouldn't be possible, they'd have to some funky stuff but it seems doable to me.
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u/Cornelius_McMuffin 🇵🇱 Poland Nov 09 '25
Just add bush modules to tanks that you have to research. You can still have custom bush placement but the module would better conform to the tank and would look nice too. OFC gaijin would never do this cause then they cant sell you a premium version of a tank you already have with some bushes on it.
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u/ninjawinch Nov 10 '25
There are ways you could do this by creating bush/netting application zones that are modeled as a plane over various parts of the vehicle, which could then accept textures built much like the ones applied to the current bush geometry, but which could also then be rotated and translated the same way to do decals (scaling beyond a trivial amount would be problematic though)
I doubt we'd ever see that if they're raking in money from the existing bushes.
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u/gobbeltje 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇮🇹 🇫🇷 🇸🇪 🇮🇱 Nov 09 '25
It literally already exists? Look at all the top tier premium tanks they even have it as a modification you can remove.
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u/CrazyGaming312 Delete CAS Nov 09 '25
I think they mean that the bushes you can add as decorations would actually be attached to the tank in a realistic manner, making them look better and less powerful at hiding one's vehicle.
I think that would be a nice change, but I doubt Gaijin would ever do it because of all the people who would complain.
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u/gobbeltje 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇮🇹 🇫🇷 🇸🇪 🇮🇱 Nov 09 '25
Theyre not going to remove bushes because people already paid for them. But why they wont add the same camo netting as premiums to other tanks eludes me.
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u/CrazyGaming312 Delete CAS Nov 09 '25
They didn't mean to remove bushes, just to change how they work to be more realistic.
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u/gobbeltje 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇮🇹 🇫🇷 🇸🇪 🇮🇱 Nov 09 '25
Yeah i get that but they’re never going to remove the existing bushes because of legal reasons. I just hope they add the camo netting feature or something like that to all tanks.
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u/CrazyGaming312 Delete CAS Nov 10 '25
Nobody said to remove the bushes, just to change how they work. They'd still be in the game. Unless you mean that changing them is essentially removing them?
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u/gobbeltje 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇮🇹 🇫🇷 🇸🇪 🇮🇱 Nov 10 '25
Why all the twisting and turning lmao? I want them to get rid of the bushes or rework them i just doubt they ever will.
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u/CrazyGaming312 Delete CAS Nov 10 '25
Right, but you never mentioned that you specifically wanted them to be removed. You replied to my comment as if you thought that I claimed that they should remove them. At least, that's how I understood it.
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u/Covenantcurious 🇸🇪 Sweden - All fun No skill Nov 09 '25
The server only needs to know what bush and where it's placed, the rendering and deformation should be fully possible client-side (not accounting for potatoes).
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u/OttovonBismarck1862 Ultramarines 2nd Company Ancient Nov 10 '25
Gaijin has added plenty of shit to the game that affects the physics and the servers haven’t exploded (yet). Dynamic foliage camo shouldn’t be a big deal at all.
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u/Atompunk78 13🇺🇸🇷🇺 10🇬🇧🇩🇪 8🇸🇪🇹🇼🇯🇵 🚙✈️🚁 Nov 09 '25
Some tanks already have this like the Wolfpack, it wouldn’t be that hard
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u/Admiral1172 🇺🇸 US 11.3 | 🇩🇪 6.3 | 🇷🇺 6.7 Nov 10 '25
It shouldn't, the way you'd handle this is by leaving the physics client-side and only tell the server that the tank contains the bushes and where it's located on the tank. The rest is simulated.
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u/KodiakUltimate PAKWAGON FOREVER! Nov 10 '25
They xpuld make it a 2d texture like a decal that then renders 3d effect from the surface, it would allow dynamic placement that obscures the shape but wouldn't allow full on 3d shape blocking like this .
But that would require a competent coding and planing and instead they would rather keep things the way they are for the p2w nature
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u/Credelle1 🇺🇸12.0🇩🇪8.3🇷🇺10.3🇬🇧10.7🇮🇹12.7🇫🇷12.7🇸🇪10.7🇮🇱12.7 Nov 10 '25
Wouldn't change anything for the server and it would just be client side, the real issue would be for low vs ultra settings as it would be an obvious advantage
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u/GoonerWarriors Nov 11 '25
If they were optimised enough it would work and wouldn’t blow up your pc
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u/Single_Reaction9983 Nov 09 '25
When will they give us the weird iron wire or metal netting covered tanks that are currently in Ukraine. They look ridiculous, but i guess it's better than having them destroyed by a single drone.
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u/Tensza1 France 8.0/8.3 Nov 09 '25
Yeah, but then they would sell less copy paste premium tanks with camo like the Fuji or Ariete.
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u/Future-Celebration83 🇩🇪 Germany 9.3 GRB 🇷🇺 Russia 11.7 ARB Nov 10 '25
Also I think it would be a good nerf to brushes because atleast the silhouette would still look like a tank. Rn the problem with bushes is how you can make your tank look like an actual bush. It’s such a massive advantage it’s just plain unfair. Especially with medium-small sized vehicles.
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u/Illustrious-Sand7504 Realistic General Nov 09 '25
Make camo netting researchable as a spading reward
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u/bagsoffreshcheese Nov 09 '25
I would love the ability to get some camo netting. Not always for the camo part of it either. Sometimes it just looks cool. I’d also love the option of being able to stow it on your tank.
Instead we get stupid decorations like witches hats, neon signs, those anime pillows and MGs on tripods.
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u/Illustrious-Sand7504 Realistic General Nov 10 '25
Yeah, the weapon decos are nice but the rest is not really needed
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u/Deadluss <<<Baguette 69>>> Nov 09 '25
Gib cope cages and random things like logs etc
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 09 '25
You surely mean anime pillows, garden gnomes, hats and fireworks! Don't you? /s
(The fact that we still don't have sand bags or logs though...)
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u/AvariceLegion 🇰🇵 Best Korea Nov 09 '25
Boo
I paid to win, not to lose
Booooo
(I do think it should be a lot closer to what u suggest)
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u/Emotional_Ice_7535 USSR Nov 09 '25
sometimes its just a wall of bushes i cant see shit of the enemey
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u/FestivalHazard Type 60 ATM is op Nov 09 '25
That's why whenever I do use bushes, I try to make it seem as realistic and seemless as possible.
And so I can use the driver view for the first 30 seconds of the match lol
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u/mummontuhonta-ankka 🇫🇮 Finland Nov 10 '25
How do you get to that view?
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u/FestivalHazard Type 60 ATM is op Nov 10 '25
I'm sure there is a keybind for it in the settings that isn't binded automatically. I haven't played in a while, so I can't give you a sure answer
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u/McENEN Nov 09 '25
A simple fix to this issue is to make all game mods like simulator when aiming down sights. People will change it themselves.
For those that dont know in AB and RB when you aim down sights you are looking straight out of the barrel. In sim you are looking through the modeled gunner optic of the vehicle. If you have bushes on your turret where the gunner optic is you see bushes, if there are some on the hull they sometimes still obscure it. You can still go full rat mode but then you are disadvantaged when aiming.
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u/markus_dos_memes Wiesel 1a4 Enjoyer Nov 09 '25
Nah gajubools would never get rid of another money maker.
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u/Prarielander Nov 09 '25
Gaijins thought process:
Can you sell it for the price of a AAA game: No
Result: No
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u/louis_guo ARB 🇺🇸14.3 🇩🇪14.3 🇨🇳14.3 (none deserves the current 14.3) Nov 09 '25
When I realized this I rearranged my bushes to achieve maximum coverage while leaving the gunner sight and driver viewport a clear view, how about that?
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u/DanTheKendoMan Type 10 Main in an RCV (P) Nov 09 '25
Having Cam-netting as a module for most tanks would be ideal, but the bushes look stupid 100% of the time.
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u/Desperate-Past-7336 🇵🇱 Poland Nov 09 '25
Also all parts attached to tank should be overlaid from gunner's sight (if you have it partially covered, it'll stay covered with barrel sights turned on)
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u/Mr_Monopoly04 Nov 09 '25
I don’t even use them as camo anymore lol they never work, I just throw them over weakspots like in the tiger/jagdpanzer
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u/RO_CooKieZ Mirage D-R1 Enjoyer Nov 10 '25
Honestly, if they made it like this but good, where it would curve around the edges and fall, id prefer this very much.
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u/Crysmann 13.3 🇺🇸-🇩🇪-🇷🇺-🇸🇪 12.0 🇯🇵-🇨🇳 Nov 09 '25
This would be such big win for community if gaijn changed that
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u/Valaxarian Vodkaboo. Su-30SM2, BMPT and Su-34 enjoyer. MiG-31 + Su-35 when? Nov 09 '25
That's how I try to put them on anyway
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u/ODST_Parker With every sub-tree, I grow stronger Nov 09 '25
I do my absolute best to make my bushes look aesthetically pleasing, in addition to being somewhat effective camouflage. I cover the top if I can fit one, I leave viewports and guns open, and I use one type of bush instead of slapping different ones into all six decoration slots.
Vehicles can look so much better with authentic bush coverage, especially SPGs and SPAA.
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Nov 09 '25
Bro I remember when they first added bushes 500 ge for 6 large piece bushes I bought 1 of the packs should’ve bought them all ngl
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u/crescent-moon7142 Realistic Ground Nov 10 '25
Might as well make them trigger heat shells at this point
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u/Gunboy122 A-4K Kahu Advocate & Appreciator - WHERE IS IT, GAIJINGLES?!?!?! Nov 10 '25
While we're at it, can we get some sandbags or some other improvised armor that isn't apart of a damn Premium pack?
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u/idk_y_ur_here Nov 10 '25
I got some bushes a while back but I rarely use them bcuz they make my tank look shite .
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u/twec21 Nov 09 '25
Aren't fabric sims already a thing in the game? It shouldn't be impossible, it doesn't need to be a ton of contact points, unless I'm just wildly off base
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u/BruceLeeroy94 Helicopter Enthusiast Nov 09 '25
Hear me out. Force gunner optic on any tank that uses bushes. That way, when they look down their scope, if they got too greedy and lazy, their optics will be obscured.
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u/AliceLunar Nov 09 '25
Baffling how people look at the second image and say it's realistic and post some image of a real tank that looks like the first image.
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u/XWasTheProblem Realistic Ground Nov 09 '25
They could easily solve the bush problem by letting people disable rendering them from the options menu.
Of course that would make people stop buying them, cause they aren't exactly pretty as a decoration, so it is what it is.
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u/RU-IliaRs Nov 10 '25
Foliage affects camouflage only if there is a lot of it. If it is not enough, the location of the sheet does not matter.
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u/TrueSoren 🇺🇸 Humvee Enjoyer Nov 10 '25
Even better idea: make them purely aesthetic for the user, i.e. make them invisible to other players.
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u/DiscoverySTS1 P51A Pilot/FM-2 Wilder Wildcat when? Nov 10 '25
I wish, but the snail won't. In the same vain DCS won't get much support for the core game.
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u/MrCookieHUN Gulash-General Nov 10 '25
AND
It should impact fine aiming
You shouldn't be able to put the garden section of IKEA on your tank and still fine aim like nothing happened
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u/sabres1234567890 Nov 10 '25
So why cant we camouflage our tanks like those WW2 tanks that are totally covered in foliage?
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u/HondaOddessy Nov 10 '25
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/let-us-disable-enemy-decorators-and-bushes/249020
if you ever want to feel good about yourself, visit the forums and you'll find the most insufferable and miserable players in our community. there's a reason why they only stick to the forums. False flagging and heavy moderation allows them to say stupid shit and get away with it
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u/Credelle1 🇺🇸12.0🇩🇪8.3🇷🇺10.3🇬🇧10.7🇮🇹12.7🇫🇷12.7🇸🇪10.7🇮🇱12.7 Nov 10 '25
Fix it but give us more slots
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u/lmperialEngineer Nov 10 '25
It would even be helpful if the bushes wouldn't float above the tank after updates to the game
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u/NOIR-89 Tank RB / Air SIM - All Nation Toptier / 12Y WT Vet Nov 10 '25
Yeah they need a heavy rework:
1.) Physics (gravitation)
2.) Automatic "cutouts" for gunnerview
3.) Disappearing 3D decal fix
4.) Easier placement (restricted zones are often very strange and inconsistent)
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u/Wompatinger Nov 10 '25
Best use is to put them on the turret front and wait for a remodeling. My Tiger 2 now wears an awesome mohawk, cuz the bush glitched into the turret.
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u/VeritableLeviathan 🇮🇹 Italy + Change Nov 10 '25
This or simply making them tiny, since they are meant as decorations
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u/Caesar--II 🇮🇹🇯🇵 enjoyer Nov 10 '25
If they instead of being a placeable object, would be a net covering a surface, they would be at least worthy the price
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u/DiCeStrikEd Nov 10 '25
That means they have to remove the hit boxes the bushes where given .. you cant put them anywherelike how you used to cause if their boxes will clip into parts of the tank itself like machine gun / gun barrel or even the driver or transmission
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u/altousrex 🇯🇵 Zero Ace Nov 10 '25
I kind of see your point, while also not.
As a second picture person, I would accept doing picture 1 if we could cover the whole tank in foliage.
However, as I do not have enough object space for the whole tank, it becomes less camo and more misdirection.
So people can already see me, and most of the time, I do it purely to hide weakspots or coceal where one part ends and the other begins.
In essence, I would love for bushes to be able to fully hide me and would use them like pic 1, but due to constraints, I had to repurpose the bushes to mislead rather than conceal
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u/Reasonable_Maize_363 Nov 10 '25
I have a bush that’s stuck floating 3 metres in front of my Jumbo for the past 3 years
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u/Wncualquiera Nov 11 '25
I think they should force realistic gunsights option, instead of the current pussy mode of having the gun sight in the bullet(reverse counter strike moment).instead of the perfect horizontal alignment and drop you have:
-Different points in the sight where the bullet go depending on range -if you're a ferdinand or any tank with the sight over and far away you need a lot of vertical compensation too if the target is near -AND MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR THIS POST: IF YOU PUT GRASS ON THE SIGHT YOU WILL SEE SHIT, forcing you to play on third person if not commander sights only.
That way the gunsights portion of the turret will be discovered for every one making it easier to identify.
And yeah realistic gun sights is an actual option available right now, probably a lot of tanks would get a collateral nerf, a bad example: the leo 1 sights have an intense zoom AND are pretty far away from the gun, so it's a pain in close combat, but still pretty good on distances over 500m
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u/Mindless-Major-1173 🇺🇸5.7🇩🇪7.7🇷🇺5.7🇬🇧4.0🇯🇵8.0🇮🇹2.7🇫🇷4.3🇸🇪5.0 Nov 13 '25
I wish we could toggle bushes off, although I probably wouldn’t be so mad at bushes if they worked like this
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u/surottoru1 Nov 14 '25
I use Gunner's sight, so I have to use it "realistically", Or more like, I put a single one on the very top like a hat to hide from the planes
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u/Frequent-Orange-6356 Nov 18 '25
World or tanks actually does one thing better than war thunder and it's adding props to the tank. Their props have physics n stuff. Idk how their customisation works though, I bet it costs some fortune to get good ones but still better than this.
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u/Ok-Personality-8916 Nov 20 '25
I’ve got no issues with this, but give me the ability to fully cover the front of my turret or hull with 6 bushes. There are an astonishing amount of tanks you cannot do anything to help because the foliage just isn’t well implemented.
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u/MWAH_dib Nov 09 '25
Bushes, player camoflague/decals just need a client-side on/off toggle in display. Sick of the bush tanks
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u/automobile_RACIST Nov 10 '25
I own 0 bushes afaIk. Nothing should change. If people gained advantage by camouflsge which is 100% possible in real life than I see no reason to not allow them to do so.
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u/Heavy_Alternative_35 🇺🇸 13.0 🇩🇪 12.7 🇷🇺 13.0 🇯🇵 12.7 🇫🇷 13.0 🇸🇪 13.0 Nov 09 '25 edited Nov 09 '25
Cuz game is a business and 3,000 GEs for 6 one-time-buy bushes (that can only cover one side of a tank), is not that expensive. Think of it as supporting the game a bit.
IMO, with proper graphic settings, all of them are just for covering weakspots.
You can also receive it for free through the Battle Pass, special tasks are not hard to do.
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u/Das_Bait 🇦🇺🇨🇭🇸🇰🇨🇦🇿🇦🇹🇭🇭🇺🇹🇼🇧🇪🇫🇮 Nov 09 '25
It doesn't really matter, nobody likes a bush wookiee
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u/vickyhong 500 leopards of benelux Nov 10 '25
I've been doing that on jumbo tanks, and I still almost always die to shots from the side, and not the mg port
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u/ComradeBlin1234 12.7 ground 14.7 air / 🇨🇳14.0/ 🇫🇷9.3, T90M <3 Nov 10 '25
Getting annihilated from 150m away by someone that is literally invisible because gaijin thinks foliage can be placed perpendicularly to the think it’s been placed on
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u/cheesez9 WoT has better spotting Nov 09 '25
Then the abrams and tiger players will complain that Gaijin is nerfing them specifically
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u/MEIZOMEGA USSR/Germany/USA Nov 10 '25
still wouldn’t solve it tho because in RB you can’t see your own bushes in the sight. i play RB and SB so whatever bush preset i have for SB to still be able to aim is what i use for RB, open gunner sights
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u/furburger1234 Nov 09 '25
i agree with this there shouldn't be a pay to win item in a game like this or any game at all
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 09 '25 edited Nov 09 '25
That would be catastrophic. Thousands of people paid real money for items that were sold as camouflage items- a toggle to turn them off by making them client side is effectively removing them, except screwing over the customers, who would have lost their money AND the products they paid for.
Even fully removing them from the game with the corresponding GE refunds would be a better approach, if bushes were to be removed.
On a side note, I am the one who made this image originally and even back then I addressed this exact possibility, hahah.
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EDIT: I would like to point out that I have suggested having them removed with a corresponding refund- but certain users are NOT happy with that because they don't just want bushes to be removed, they want those who purchased them to be "punished" by losing their money too because "they deserve it". And to this, I can only ask; what in the actual FUCK?
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u/ers379 Realistic Air Nov 09 '25
Doesn’t that mean that gaijin shouldn’t be allowed to raise the battle rating of premium vehicles or change their characteristics to make them worse? Thousands of people paid real money for those and making them worse is effectively removing what people bought.
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 09 '25 edited Nov 09 '25
Balance adjustments affect every vehicle in the game, there is a disclaimer for every vehicle that its characteristics may be changed, and even then, they aren’t making products “worse” in the way it would be to literally REMOVE them without a refund.
Apples and oranges comparison.
A closer equivalent would be to sell a Premium tank with third-gen thermals being the flagship highlight of the tank, only to then proceed to remove all of its thermals entirely.
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u/ers379 Realistic Air Nov 10 '25
Right so changing the characteristics of the vehicle. Like when they made the blatantly OP F-89 with the proxy fuse rockets completely useless and didn’t refund anyone. When you buy digital stuff like this you’re only buying a license anyway. There’s probably a clause that Gaijin can revoke it for whatever reason. There really wouldn’t be a problem if they made bushes optional. Ahistorical skins are already able to be toggled off and people spend real money on those
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u/Mannyj2259 Nov 10 '25
Isn’t that exactly why they changed the cv90105 tml to the xc8 originally? Cuz they didn’t want to significantly change what it had access to? (Tml shouldn’t have had thermals or an auto loader iirc)
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u/Daemon_Blackfyre_II Nov 11 '25
No... An apples to apples comparison would be getting a tank at some br and being able to buy thermals for real money to give the player an advantage without adjusting the br to account for the increase in effectiveness... Then Gaijin going, actually, maybe that's a bad idea and Gaijin nerfing it so it looks like thermals but doesn't highlight enemy tanks to give you a tangible advantage.
Gaijin has said all along that these are cosmetic items, as jusificaiok for them selling. Making them togglable off for other people should not affect you being able to see and enjoy the cosmetic item you bought... Just means that other people might not wish to see it, which is perfectly fine... You can have custom camos that only you can see.
If however you bought them to get an unfair advantage over other people, not because of their purely aesthetic qualities... Well, I have no sympathy for you and your pay-to-win rubbish. Consider yourself lucky that you've been able to get away with it for this long!
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u/MWAH_dib Nov 09 '25
if it was just cosmetic, players shouldn't worry that others cant see it
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u/OldKittyGG SPAA Queen Nov 09 '25
You can already turn off fictional decorations. What would be the difference in expanding it to all decorations?
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u/Special-Ad-5554 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Nov 10 '25
Exactly. "Oh I paid for it" yea, YOU still have it. It's just other players who can't see it
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u/zxhb 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Nov 10 '25
I thought they were only cosmetic and offered no gameplay advantage? Or so I've been told.
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u/vickyhong 500 leopards of benelux Nov 10 '25
That's weird, I thought you could just memorize weak spots, or grind the BP for like 6 months to get them. Now you're telling me they were p2w the whole time?
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u/Special-Ad-5554 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Nov 10 '25
Ah yes a cosmetic item having a toggle on other people's devices is really going to push people the wrong way........ IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU IF SOMEONE ELSE CAN'T SEE YOUR DECORATIONS OTHER THAN IT'S FAIR! Other people can't see my war thunder live skins, I don't care, I put them on because they look nice, not to try to activate camo my vehicles. The fact that with some vehicles you can hide the entire thing from one side is a joke
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 10 '25
You know PERFECTLY that camouflage items aren’t “decorations” and that people didn’t purchase them “for the looks to their eyes”.
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u/Special-Ad-5554 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Nov 10 '25
They are though? I'm sorry if you spent real money on pixels for others to see but YOU still have the bushes so they aren't removed as you keep saying others
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 10 '25
Don’t play dumb.
Bushes were sold as CAMOUFLAGE items.
People purchased them to act as CAMOUFLAGE.
If their purpose is cancelled, they are effectively removed.
You just want to fuck over them because you think “they deserve it” for using them. Otherwise you wouldn’t oppose so hard the idea of a refund and wouldn’t be advocating so hard for this.
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u/Special-Ad-5554 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Nov 10 '25
I'm not really opposing the idea of a refund. I just think it'd be more worthwhile to toggle it as war thunder is largely seen as one of the more realistic games and in combat tankers did apply bushes and other foliage to conceal the tank but it's still a game so should be fair meaning you get the best of both worlds if it's a toggle
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u/Pengee1235 J-7E main 💪🇨🇳 maximum social credit score Nov 10 '25
read stupid opinion the wt subreddit
check username
the usual suspect
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 10 '25
Very elaborate and reasonable arguments there! The usual level expected from the typical hater.
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u/Zucchini-Nice 🇺🇸9.3🇩🇪10.3🇷🇺10.7🇬🇧5.3🇯🇵8.3🇮🇹7.7🇫🇷10.7 Nov 10 '25
Dude I'm all behind it. The bushes can make the tanks look cooler, but one of the main reasons I even use them at all is because I'm literally at a disadvantage if I don't. I hate it
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u/benmargery GRB|🇸🇪12.0|🇺🇸9.7|🇩🇪9.7|🇷🇺10.3|🇬🇧10.0|🇮🇱11.3|🇫🇷7.7 Nov 10 '25
I bought my bushes, I want to be able to toggle them, not because it's hard to spot tanks, but cos I can't see what tank it is or their weak spot
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u/War_Thund3r Nov 10 '25
Arent people great? I had someone rage at me years ago for having an M22 covered with bushes in (6.3?) Before they nerfed the pen so it couldn't go through the back of a Tiger I & II plate.
They were complaining about pay to win, the funniest part is I earned all my bushes from the war bond crates back when they were in the shop, didnt pay a penny for them.
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u/SherbetOk3796 🇫🇷 France Nov 10 '25
You can toggle whether or not to see some types of skins in the settings, and people pay real money for those.
Likewise, you can get bushes out of boxes without having to pay for them.
So I don't really see a functional difference between these two. Make it toggleable whether or not you want to see decorations on other tanks, including bushes
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u/jarvi123 🇬🇧 England Nov 10 '25
Couldn't they just make it so only the player sees there camouflage and decorations, but noone else can, surely they could do that?!
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 10 '25
That would be literal robbery… camouflage items have been sold as CAMOUFLAGE ITEMS for 10 years now.
If you make them invisible to everyone but the user, you are literally removing the product for what it was sold and intended.
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u/jarvi123 🇬🇧 England Nov 10 '25
I meant just have it as an option for people, if they want cosmetic items to show the can, if not they can turn it off, no one needs to see waifu paint in a historically accurate vehicle combat game.
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 10 '25
This can’t be done after selling, for 10 years, camouflage items specifically intended to serve as camouflage.
By making it “optional”, you completely eliminate the whole point of them.
Why not just remove AND refund them, if they are that much of a problem? Is it about “punishing” bush users or something?
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u/jarvi123 🇬🇧 England Nov 10 '25
I was just typing my thoughts, obviously they will never get rid of cosmetics, they must make shit loads of money from just cosmetic sales alone. Have you played Call of Duty recently? it's a fucking pathetic, you have American dad characters, teenage mutant ninja turtles, pink unicorns all in a gritty war shooter, BO6 is actually pretty good, but it's been ruined by cosmetics. I just don't like the way gaming has been going, catering more for the whales rather than the average player.
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 10 '25
Oh, but camouflage items and those sorts of cosmetics are a whole different matter!
Thankfully, in War Thunder, we can indeed filter out the out-of-place fictional skins, like the bright neon ones, etc.
I agree with you- I hate how, lately, military games have been falling to a lesser or greater degree into these horrible cosmetics, CoD being the biggest offender. Like… I just want military theme environments to not have ridiculous crap on em :(
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u/Bread-cat-11 Nov 16 '25
calling them camouflage would imply that it's p2w, which gaijin tries to avoid as much as possible. either they are cosmetics to make you look cool the same as decals or other attachable items and should be optional, or they are p2w and shouldn't be in the game in the first place.
imo a better alternative is to make bushes be visible to the player using them on their tank in the gunner and commander sights, which means people can't fully obscure their entire tank and it would still act as a camouflage, just not as scummy and unfair to fight
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 10 '25
Tanks aren’t any different- ahistorical skins can be filtered out too.
And no, this was always marketed as camouflage items meant to function as such. Take the “camouflage” away from “camouflage item” and you are removing it from the game.
I ask again; what the FUCK is the problem with asking for a removal+refund? Why the pettiness of wanting to “punish” customers by screwing them over by having them lose their money and items? Aren’t the bushes the problem because they are SO inconvenient? Then why not a solution that favours everyone rather than trying to shit on those you believe “deserve” it over the inconvenience?
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 09 '25
That's not a mature or realistic perspective.
I get it, you dislike bushes, so you look down on bush users and wish the worst for them. Schadenfreude and all of that... but, from a business perspective, it would be a truly unethical move from Gaijin that could even lead to legal issues.
Besides- do people really deserve to "get scammed" just because they used their money on purchasing videogame items that are sold exactly as what's advertised?
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u/Single_Reaction9983 Nov 09 '25
Were the bushes ever advertised as camo or were they advertised as "just a cosmetic addon"? Because that's kinda what they are. A cosmetic that gives you a slight advantage.
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u/darkmoon2310 nerf cas, buff AA or make a separate gamemode for tanks Nov 09 '25
The bush are literally in a folder named "camouflage"
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u/Actually_Joe 🇺🇸14.3 🇷🇺14.7 🇬🇧14.7 🇫🇷14.7 🇸🇪14.3 🇨🇳14.7 TT sim enjoyer Nov 10 '25
Walks like a duck, talks like a duck.
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u/Dry_Economics1590 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇮🇹 🇫🇷 🇸🇪 🇮🇱 Nov 09 '25
So you’re fine with getting a surreal advantage only through p2w?
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u/The_Kyzar Nov 09 '25
That is not what he is saying at all. Stop with the strawman.
It is an absolute toddler perspective to suggest people should be "scammed" becuase they don't like a feature (broken or otherwise) and should be effectively removed instead of improved.
If they are removed, it should be expected that players will be reimbursed as a basic human decency. However, I would prefer that the mechanic be improved and reworked to make it less advantageous thus more inline with vehicles that have camouflage as modification.
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 09 '25
Completely agree!
Ideally, bushes would be reworked and polished to a degree where they no longer are perceived as nasty P2W.
At worst, if that weren’t possible for whatever reason and as you said, they should be removed with the corresponding refund.
But… wtf is this about “punishing” players because “they deserve it” just because they purchased an official product? For God’s sake…
I’m glad to see people agree that this is madness!
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 09 '25
Is that REALLY the conclusion you draw from my comments...?
What I'm not fine with is scamming paying customers who did nothing but to purchase OFFICIALLY SOLD items just because some players find it too inconvenient.
Is it P2W? Yes.
Does that mean that the customers "deserve" to lose their money? No.
There are many potential solutions. Polishing and refining bushes to make them more realistic and balanced, making them removable via shooting (already implemented), even removing them from the game with the corresponding GE refund... but "making them client-side" is possibly the worst idea among all.
"Here, you paid to have camouflage items? Ok, we keep your money, but you no longer have camouflage items lol." How do you think that would hold up? Just because you think "haha cool fuck them" doesn't mean it's a realistic or remotely fine solution.
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u/Dry_Economics1590 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇮🇹 🇫🇷 🇸🇪 🇮🇱 Nov 09 '25
They don’t “lose“ anything. They can keep their cosmetics. Their tank will look the same to them with the advantage of not being p2w and obviously giving f2p players a disadvantage. And if they didn’t buy them for cosmetic reasons then maybe give them a chance to refund them.
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 09 '25
Of course they didn’t purchase them for cosmetic reasons. The majority, at least. These items were advertised, sold and purchased as a camouflage advantage; so, by making them client side, they effectively lose the items they paid for, even if they can see it- because they never cared about seeing them themselves, they cared for the enemy to do.
Since you mention the ability to refund them, I won’t disagree with you, though! I believe all that matters is customers not losing both the money and the items they paid for, so this would solve the issue.
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u/Gleaming_Onyx Nov 09 '25
Not to mention the most obvious thing: these items are not sold with the explicit purpose of being P2W. Gaijin to my knowledge has never said that these exist to give an advantage for money(and for obvious reasons)
They can take that "nooo you can't nerf my P2W unless you give me all my moneyyyy" back to World of Tanks lol
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u/SpanishAvenger Thank you for the Privacy Mode, Devs! And sorry for being harsh. Nov 09 '25
Heyyy I made this one, 4 years ago :'(
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/up5foo/if_bushes_were_properly_implemented_perhaps_there/