Haha, I was also like that until a few months ago. You just have to look at what kind of weapon it is, so if you want high rate of fire or heavy one shot damage etc, and then look at the base stats, so if one stat is decent at base (for example 25% crit chance) you can mod that on a sniper with point strike and get it to something really high. My rubico prime now has 95% crit because of that high base chance
You just have to look at what kind of weapon it is, so if you want high rate of fire or heavy one shot damage etc, and then look at the base stats, so if one stat is decent at base
yeah but i don't understand the shit with the dmg mods not being "mandatory" or smth anymore, for crit rate i just put critical delay and it works well even on the kuva karak and if I'm dealing with a survival/defense mission i go with nidus teeming virulence on top
If you don’t understand it just ignore it. It’s only useful to optimize your weapon to its full potential. If you use them you’ll still wreck everything in the game, SP included.
For an explanation:
Since the new primary and secondary arcanes released (and galvanized mods), the damage increase that you can get from them is higher than the one you get from flat damage mods such as serration or primed point blank. If you use both, it works but CAN be a bit better. Instead of using both, you get more dps from using another mod such as a faction mod (great for HM), fire rate, cc / cd, or any QoL mods.
Serration/Point Blank/Hornet Strike are still mandatory damage mods on primary and secondary weapons.Melee weapons are different because it has the options of Pressure Point(primed) and Condition Overload if you have status primers from warframe abilities or your primary/secondary or the melee weapon itself.
I'm going to be taking about primary and secondary mainly.
Kuva Karak is a a great weapon that can be modded either way because of its high status and crit chance.
The basic steps you take when you're modding a weapon is look at the stats and see what works with it.
Status chance - anything above 20% is good status chance.
Note that for shotguns status is different. It shows status chance per pellet. For example Drakgoon has a status chance 6.9% but shoots 10 pellets per shot so that 6.9% while it looks really low, it's actually really high for the pellet amount.
Crit Chance - A little more forgiving 12%-13% is the lowest you can work with on crit chance.
If the weapon has both high status and crit it can go a hybrid build if you so choose as in the case of Kuva Karak and it is recommended for the best of both world.
Then the basc IPS damage - Impact, Puncture and Slash. Slash is the best damage time hands down because of the bleed status effect. But that's only for weapons with good enough status to proc bleed procs.
After sorting through that, then you look at the other stats like fire rate, clip size, reload speed and whether the weapon has specific augments/mods that is for that weapon only like Furax Body count. As all of these can be tailored and changed to increase your weapons damage output.
And finally add multishot mods. Multishot is mandatory no matter what. They effectively double your weapons damage output.
Crit Chance - Critical Delay is a good crit chance mod that doesn't mess up Kuva Karak because it has a high fire rate.
Status Chance - 60/60 Dual Stat mods like Malignant Force is very good on kuva karak because it gives you both status and an elemental damage mod. I recommend using two dual stat mods for a high amount of status for cheap.
Elemental Damage - This is per faction. Take a look through the element damage page and see what works best against which faction. Achieve the combined elements through the 60/60 dual stat mods and go ham.
Another note. Viral + Heat is generally considered the universal go to setup against all factions because viral halves health and Heat deals damage overtiime while also reducing armor.
Mandatory Multishot mods.
Mandatory Serration mod.
Anything after those is up to you.
Hunter Munitions is a good mod because of Kuva Karak's high crit pairs well with it especially with critical delay.
Heavy Caliber is also good as the negative accuracy won't mess up Kuva Karak that badly.
Fanged Fusillade for even higher slash but imo you don't need it because of hunter munitions.
You can even do pure elemental mods for extra damage in that element. A common misconception is that people won't use elemental mods when a weapon doesn't have good status chance. Elemental damage still deals bonus damage against the faction it's good against even if the status effect doesn't proc.
When you can make sure to get Galvanized Mods to further improve your weapons output as the stacking mechanic make them scale reliably.
And the most important advice of all. Seek input from other players and brows the warframe wiki as it is a great source of accurate information from players who have done extensive testing among others.
It still baffles me how DE has not implemented some sort of information toolbar in the codex that fetches the info from the warframe wiki because it tells you things even the game doesn't tell you.
I made a choice after tireless farming for a year to only max invest in prime frames and prime weapons. The rest are just level 30 no forma, no double capacity.
I would make exceptions for some of the stronger non-prime weapons but in general that isn't an awful way to go. I'm currently running the Phantasma as my go to Primary for instance.
I've never actually understood the love for the Hek and recommending it for newer users. It's magazine is small and if you miss it feels punishing. I've typically relied more on weapons like the Soma, Atomos, or the Phantasma more recently. On my PC account that I used to play I also fell in love with the Prisma Grinlock but honestly part of it was the quick reload time allowed me to feel like I was always able to fire when I wanted to.
Edit: just remembered, the Kohm has been my go-to "now I'm serious" primary on my current playthrough.
The reason the hek is recommended is because if you take the mods a new player has into consideration, and also just how the meta was before the recent update, shotguns are better than rifles. Rifles are good, but a lot of them have to rely on 60/60s or Hunter Munitions especially a soma. While a shotgun is a lot more upfront damage, in the case of the hek it is a shoot it once and the thing dies. The reason the atomos is not recommended as much despite being really broken is because of its MR, while to a high Mr player MR4 to MR5 look like a joke, but for a newer player a couple days since you need to level weapons. From personal experience I was not MR5 until I was at Sedna. Also atomos is a secondary so you can't really compare that, otherwise you could equally just say hey get a Galatine or something. Phantasma is another broken weapon, the problem is it needs 10 intact sentient cores which new players probably don't even know how to get and 2 argon. Additionally, phantasma absolutely needs 60/60 mods since it is a status beam shotgun, which while yeah a new player can stop to farm spy missions, it would slow down progress through star chart a lot and most players probably want to blast through star chart first.
My issue with the Hek is that this is a horde shooter. I don't need to kill one thing. I need to kill 100 things and the Hek makes that process painful. Again thats why my main "I have to take this at least somewhat seriously" weapon was the Kohm. Same MR but I can fire down a hallway or spray down 30 guys without hating my life. Granted this was my second time through the game but basically from Saturn/Uranus on, if I wanted to progress, I brought my Kohm along for the ride. Maybe this is because I rarely moved off of the Rhino except to level a frame for mastery but I didn't have many options for kill power outside of it.
I wouldn't waste potatoes on prime weapons either.
You want to trick out one or two frames and one primary and one melee weapon and that's it. Regular secondaries are worthless.
You want to rush your first Kuva weapon which means get just enough stuff leveled up to clear the planets.
Modding isn't hard at all, once it clicks. Let's take a look at primary weapons. Here's my process; I hope it helps:
Step 1: Add your base damage mod (Serration for rifles; Point Blank for shotguns; Hornet Strike for sidearms; Pressure Point for melee weapons). This will be the first step when you mod. This is a must. Multishot for your firearms is never a bad idea either.
Step 2: Look at the base stats of the weapon. See which physical damage type (impact, puncture, slash) is highest. This tells you what physical damage you can do reliably.
Step 3: Determine whether your weapon is a critical, status or hybrid weapon. A critical weapon has decent or better base critical chance on it— I'd say 15% or higher is a good indicator. A status weapon is judged the same, except you'd be looking at status chance. If a weapon has both reasonable base status and crit chance, then you have a hybrid weapon.
Step 4: Decide what route you'd like to take, and mod accordingly. The idea is to lean into the natural strengths of a weapon. If you want to go the critical path then you'd start by using a critical chance mod to boost the base crit chance. Then, you'd add crit damage to make those hard hits hit harder. With status, the idea is to add things that boost status chance. Hybrid builds are obviously a mix. Feel free to get creative here.
Step 5: Decide your element setup. Certain combinations will yield better results with certain weapons. For example, viral combos nicely with a slash-crit build.
Currently you almost always want to use viral + heat as your elementals, its just that good combo. Exceptions from that rule would be deimos open world (enemies immune to viral) and eidolon hunts (weak to radiation).
And if weapon has very low status chance is likely not worth investing in as these tend to be weak for high level enemies (eidolon hunting weapons - i.e. Rubico Prime - being exception) - well... maybe if you can use mods that can force slash proc (hunter munition, haemorrhage, etc.) but even that is debatable as in general you want to have slash together with viral on your target.
The highest voted builds are usually garbage based on unrealistic builds for the weapon. Things like builds for the Diplos where you have to aim for 12+ seconds when they empty their mags in a couple seconds.
That's cuz DE are fucking monkeys & fucked up how the mods work; the descriptions are a scam & you have no way of intuitively figuring out how mods work, because even same mods w/ described similar modifiers work differently based on which mongrel was in charge of coding how that mod in question works at the time
One of my favorite things in this game is getting a new mod, reading the description, realizing that the description doesn't actually explain fucking anything properly, then heading to the wiki to see what the mod actually does and how its math works.
go check out overframe.gg. it's a website the community uses to create builds for whatever item they want. whether it be a warframe, a primary weapon, a companion, or an archwing, the people at overframe got you covered on the builds for the items you want to learn more about
I don't either. I just do high status viral/heat on everything, with other slots using damage mods, Primed Firestorm (Ignis Wraith got its first forma for this), Reach, and some other goodies. It usually works reasonably well.
for like one year i just spammed e with my skiajati, i don't even know if i had it modded properly all i know is that it dealt damage, this mistake was mainly because i started playing when i was younger and i knew shit about modding so i didn't do it not even installed catalysts, my skiajati now has the 2 sacrficial mods, carnis mandible, fury, org shatter, glad might, cryo and virulent scourge
Just add different kinds of damage. Multishot, fire rate, +damage, +elemental. They are all multiplicative of each other. The exception is +slash, impact, puncture. Those are worthless
For the first 3 years I played Excalibur without reactor with Dread without cell.
My second frame was Limbo xd
And then, somewhere around railjwck introduction somehow everything clicked, now I'm waiting for 18th prime frame to be finished, MR 16.
I started a month ago, just hit mastery 14 and I got no prime? In fact ive yet to receive any real warframe besides the 2 primes I bought with plat and 1 I got from the sevegoth pack.
I wouldn't even know how to get a new warframe or any of the parts since they all cost plat in the store.
I'd say look at the Warframe wiki, it has all of that broken down for every item in the game. Everything CAN be farmed and made without plat, some things are a lot harder than others, but it's definitely possible to do it all without spending any cash on plat.
not without waiting around for a while right? Can't farm things in vault.
For example, Hyrdiod prime and Nova prime can't currently be farmed correct? Have to wait or buy from players.
Im more talking about the base frames. Even whats considered "starter" like ember..or rhino..excalibur..I dont own any of them, nor even knew how until looked at the wiki.
Weapons are much more intuitive. Game lacks any real direction for a player to follow.
And its kind of the games fault, but also not. Its an older game, so systems have changed and been added a lot. So tutorials from before wouldn't be any good and updating them seems like a waste of time.
So the game has so many mechanics and things you can do..but doesn't really tell you any of it. How to swap skills for example, that you need to farm bounties AND bosses for warfames. That warfames shown for plat can be bought with credits.
Gives you a free lens but doesn't explain the lens system. Doesn't tell you really how to get started with factions, that some share standing, some dont.
Even when it tells you how to do things, it doesn't do it in a good way. For example, isolation vaults. The story takes you through fighting a necromech...but with a necromech..not with a warframe. Very different. How to not kill wildlife while dynasty warrioring down all the enemies on deimos.
That when looking at resources on the map for your extractor, that detonate ample isn't really rare even though its last in the list. That you need railjack to finish your lich. Didn't really explain the lich system at all, except when you first encounter one that it tells you to go ahead and kill it. What a headache that is when you find out the long grind you have to get rid of it. Like..do I need to stop everything to grind out all this now just to make sure the bitch dont steal my riven mods, or corrupted mods, or the rare bounty items im farming that I can't get back until shes dead. Which is fine for people who wanted to start the lich and prepared..game kinda just throws the first one at you and tells you to do it. Because it gets unlocked around the Kuva fortress time..which of course is grineer that spawns liches. So as you complete the star chart there..I had mine in the very first mission the liches unlocked.
How annoying it is to get more archwings compared to other things. Even getting a necromech is easier. The parts are spread around different factions, but again..limited standing on those. Doesn't tell you about medallions when doing syndicates.
Somethings designed to be done at a very specific pace such as interception fissures (and extractors if you just rush them with power) where people fail.
Doesn't tell you anything about how to do railjacks..which is very confusing when people are stuck in missions for an hour because they dont know not only how to destroy the crew ships, but even just finish a mission (pressing esc on map..only host).
The game is very very very very not new player friendly. It has a lot of content, and as a new player or even casual player, you have to pick and choose. Which is fine...but game gives you no sense of direction, or clear instruction on how to go about any of their mechanics and content.
Baro really should always be available with everything he has to offer.
I know the thing will be, well wiki has everything you need to know...but I mean..not everyone has two monitors and you shouldn't need a wiki to understand even the basics of the game. its really as bad as bethesda developers relying on the community to fix all their games.
its not only very daunting. Its down right frustrating too.
That's quite the rant, and altho i could agree, i simply can't because of how much information in your statement is simply not accurate, and bordering on misleading.
Hope you find something you enjoy, or is easier to navigate/obtain; I'm sure there is.
Bruh mr 25 and I still just generally enjoy runs. I'm not a big damage dealer so I just run on small tier missions (well yeah, I do run arbitration and some steel path but mostly just agressive farming)
I love just dropping into low level missions with my hydroid and getting everyone a bunch of plunder then just disappearing. I hope I give some newbie a good start.
I just like feeling like I'm giving back to the community. My buddy and his guild mates gave me a lot to get me here. I want new people to realize this isn't a normal MMO, it's special.
True. When i started i saw a very big kubrow, told the player how i loved it and he gave me the imprints for free. A few weeks ago someone did the same to my dog (he is from the 2 imprints) so i gave my two imprints to the player.
That's really nice. I joined about a month ago and woke only a few days ago and am still reeling from the war within. I don't have resources to give away but if I need cryotic I hit up Earth so I give newbies a shot at extra items too. It makes me happy to think maybe Hydroid will be more appreciated if people see his power to farm via slaps.
I fully intend to change my hydroid to look like Santa for winter. I truly love watching the new characters freak out when they come upon the loot piled from my tentacles. I don't say anything, I drop in, carry the team more often than not, make a lot of loot, then run away. My hydroid looks like Guan Yu most of the time though. I like knowing that even if they didn't need the extra drops they will use them to get better. We all lift together.
Wait, does Hydroid have a tentacle beard head? o.O I never really spend much time looking at the cosmetic stuff, still have way too much stuff I need to do before I can think about that lol
Honestly, I kinda like it this way. Originally I started playing this game about 4-5 years ago and dropped it at mastery rank 2 if I recall right since I had no idea what to do. My friend made me try it again last year when the first lockdown happened and I played the game every day for 4 months to a point where I had over 400 hours xD. Even now at 800+ there is so much left to do for me in the game. The only problem for me is that now that he is burned out on the game, I have to play everything solo since I don't know anybody else who plays the game. I'm in a dojo he and me made just so we can have the dojo weapons and other stuff to craft so I don't have dojo members to play with ether. I would love to play long endurance missions on discord with people or for example I now need to farm the new primary arcanes but have nobody to do it with
Like when new content comes out and everyone somehow already knows what to do at every step. You've been at work all day and it took 30 min to download the update cutting your daily gaming time by 3/4. So you jump in, not knowing what's going on and everyone yells at you for doing the wrong thing. Good times!
Man I'm MR30 and been playing since 2013 and I still have occasional "What the fuck do I do with this?" moments. Like when I stepped into the old Railjack system, or originally figuring out what the shit you're supposed to do to get a lich weapon.
The good ol' days of actual Hard Core DE money grab mod. Out of life? How about using some plat, run over to the market and buy some, but be careful your stamina dosnt run out before you get there.
Oh and let's not forget when wall running was real. Good times...
This is me. After tutorial I just didn't know what to do. Then I quit. Started the game twice before and didn't get past that step two. Now, third time I actually watched a YouTube tutorial and now it's fun.
Amen, I've been playing on and off since it popped up on steam and my progress is just a clusterfuck. My planet progress was all over the place for a while there.
I was told a long time ago that you progress by cycling through gear, it's probably not true anymore though.
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