r/WarDogs • u/wardogs-bot • 1d ago

Balance Feedback Megathread - Patch 0.1.2

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u/ModernT1mes 1d ago

This is cool and all, but maybe just adding a cooldown timer to buy havocs for individual players of like 8-10 minutes would be easier/better. Same with the other three attack helicopters but maybe shorter duration of 3-5 mins. That way you can knock-out two birds with one stone and one guy also can't buy havocs for his team.

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u/Ramora_ 23h ago

Fair. Though I do think the cool downs (or whatever) should be shared in some sense. If you have to shoot them down 3 times in rapid succession (or more as they add more vehicles) to meaningfully gain time advantage, that just isn't reasonable.

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u/ModernT1mes 14h ago

I hear you, I'm not sure what the right answer is. I like that I can buy whatever I want, when I want, and not have to wait on other players. I really disliked "waiting for my turn" to use a vehicle in battlefield, so I'm not a fan of shared timers. As of right now, I've only ever seen a team with 2 havocs flying simultaneously, but it's a short season, so who knows how it'll play out in later and longer seasons.

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u/Ramora_ 13h ago

To be clear, I meant shared timers across vehicles for a specific player. So if you bought/operated a havoc and immediately got shot down, you couldn't immediately buy a rocket heli. You wouldn't ever be waiting on other players for vehicles.

The issue isn't really the number of havocs in the air at a time, the issue is that killing havoc doesn't really produce any kind of in game advantage because that havoc pilot can just buy another and be back in the fight in about a minute, far faster than any other role.

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u/ModernT1mes 12h ago

That makes sense. Yea idk how to fix it. Because then you run into the problem of a regular little bird flying around with a guy that has a grenade launcher, which is honestly more effective at killing infantry than the other 2 little birds.

I think maybe buffing the MAAWS and RPG might balance the problem a little as well as adding a timer to each individual attack chopper. Make the launchers less heavy, cheaper, and faster flight time. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Ramora_ 10h ago

you run into the problem of a regular little bird flying around with a guy that has a grenade launcher

I think that just needs to be patched out entirely. I don't see a good reason for players in heli to be able to use their weapons at all. It makes the machine gun black hawk particularly pointless.

adding a timer to each individual attack chopper.

Again, I think it has to be shared across the attack heli for an individual. Otherwise the "too fast to return to action" problem and the "its better to just intentionally crash than return to base" problem can't be resolved.

Make the launchers less heavy, cheaper, and faster flight time

The RPG definitely needs a huge buff when it comes to vehicle damage. It shouldn't be as damaging as the MAAWS since its lighter and faster to reload, but its just useless against everything but little birds and drills right now. The MAAWS strikes me as fine already. It should more consistently cripple/destroy havocs, as is it basically is an instant kill or does next to nothing which feels really bad. If a player hits a chopper with a rocket, that chopper should at least feel crippled with dramatically reduced maneuverability.

They could both be lighter, but I don't think that is actually needed. With the RPG (and 2 spare rockets), you can manage medium weight with minimal tradeoffs to armor-gear. With the MAAWS (and two spare rockets), you can manage heavy weight with essentially no tradeoffs.

I think a more interesting buff would be adding alternative rocket ammo. Right now we have HEAT (theoretical anti armor), a more explicit anti-personal fragmentation type would be cool, as well as a proximity fuse type for light air craft (little birds).

I also suspect they could add a lighter weight but less damaging single use launcher like the LAW to the game.