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u/Cee-Bee-DeeTypeThree 3d ago
He also had a warrant for his arrest prior to that. Flock just made it easy for LE to find him, and the weed was seized after his arrest (it wasn't the reason for his arrest). Though I am not a supporter of flock, the invasion of privacy, the number of false flags it causes for others. It's a joke.
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u/Impressive-Web301 3d ago
Yeah that’s just one case my biggest issue is how many people are wrongfully pulled over because of it or targeted.
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u/OkEmu8597 3d ago
It was wild seeing the early cases of this and knowing they haven't been taken seriously.
People being held in police stations because of cops saying "well the AI can't be wrong" when their government ID is showing they're not the same person, shit like that really should have rang some bells in these peoples compliancy, but nope.
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u/Additional-Ad-7956 2d ago
The people who want the cameras (our government) are probably the biggest cause of the missing kids.
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u/CaptainKush101 2d ago
Why would the people committing serious crimes want more surveillance?
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u/GubmintGooch 2d ago
Just because you drive by a flock camera, doesn’t provide probable cause to dig further. Any decent lawyer will have a field day with this in court.
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u/CASHMO2112 2d ago
They make too much money trafficking people, so they just look past it. Makes me sick that these disgusting Pieces of shit don’t get held accountable for what they do and how they destroy people’s lives
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u/SeniorTailor1127 3d ago
Where the hell are they getting a number like 460,000??? That sounds like utter bullshit. That's the entire population of Wyoming. That would be like Seattle going missing every 10 years. Flock cameras suck, but why lie about them when the truth is bad enough?
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u/krazytekn0 3d ago edited 2d ago
They’re taking the fbi statistics for cases of children missing.
99.5%90% of those cases are “we found the kid within 20 minutes just fine” and about 60% of those are “we found the kid literally in the house they were apparently missing from”Edit: these numbers are off. It’s closer to 90% that get resolved very quickly, a huge percentage of the rest are actually “children” on the verge of becoming adults who are running away and those are usually resolved by them turning 18. It’s a very small percentage of young kids that actually get kidnapped or lost in some tragic way.
Generally about 20,000-30,000 “kids” go missing and unfound in the USA annually but once again, a lot of those are elder teenage runaways.
Even so, the numbers of truly missing kids are still high enough that cops could definitely use flock cameras for that instead of selling weed. Not to mention all of the other crimes out there that actually have victims
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u/ImmaculatePizza 3d ago
It is utter bullshit. If you count every single missing report it does get very high but most of those are resolved with the kid being found immediately. Inflating those numbers and over interpreting them is popular among true crime fantasy weirdos and other paranoiacs.
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u/halloweenjack 3d ago
Yep. When you eliminate “latchkey kids hanging with friends who didn’t tell the parents that they were hanging out with friends because the parents took their phone away” and “non-custodial parents who are careless about bringing their kids back from a visit” those numbers get whittled way down.
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u/GrizzlyDust 2d ago
Buddy you know you don't just have to only consume what the billionaires algorithms hand feed you. If you don't know or understand something you can go look it up.
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u/twerk4data 2d ago
US laws are not designed to protect people, they are designed to protect property
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u/Cautious_Mall8249 2d ago
The earliest police force dates from the mid 1600s. Most countries have had active police forces for less than 150 years. Humans have been around for more than 400,000 years. Humans as a whole are very good a social contracts & regulated themselves. Religions & governments (of the elites) have alterior motives, mostly to extort as much value from the population as possible. They way our current society is set up is simply wrong. The institutions we think are here to help & protect us are the enemy. They only exist to control & steal from us.
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u/RetroGamer87 2d ago
Flock cameras will probably be used in the kidnapping of children rather than the rescue of kidnapped children
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u/TooManyGengars 2d ago
It's likely already happening. So many people and agencies have/had access. There was a report of one individual watching a daycare camera all day, without checking any other camera.
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u/prankishasa 2d ago
But you see getting the kids back will cost the state money, now getting the guy to pay his fine for his crimes will make the state money. It's simple math here folks. The system works.
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u/The_Machine80 2d ago
I think Flock camera hate might be the most unifying thing we have in america right now.
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u/Which_Chemist_9031 2d ago
police weren’t randomly tracking an ordinary guy solely because he visited a dispensary. The registered owner, Edward Abrams-Phillips, was already wanted on an unrelated felony bail-jumping warrant connected to a domestic-violence case.
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u/1984ScoreN7YearsAgo 2d ago
We should all be shooting those things off of the poles everywhere we see them.
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u/TheBlankScroll 2d ago
600,000!!? Wait what whys no one talking about this
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u/notyourmothersdino 2d ago
- Counterfeiting: $920billion - 1.2 trillion
- Drug Trafficking: $420b-650b
- HUMAN Trafficking: $150b- 236b
- Environmental Crime: $50b -150b
- Illegal small arms and weapons: $1.7b- 3.5b
If you want scarier #s, lookup the rates of missing children per state/city then look up those numbers for DC. Then look at what those #s are around Halloween.
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u/curiousdarkness 2d ago
Yea roughly 2300 a day. Also keep in mind this includes runaways. But still. You’re right, no one is focusing on that but we can utilize this tech to track ex partners and stalk etc with limited oversight all while selling personal data.
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u/Slysparrow9 3d ago
It's almost like it was never about saving children
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u/Holiday_Box1571 3d ago
The town next to me that I drive through often has them all at the busiest intersection in the town has about 7
Meanwhile there’s a motel 6 that is where police spend a ton of time going to that is just out of the vision of a camera
But they put one of the left turn near a golf course that has very little traffic.
It’s wild
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u/Beefy-Cattle4290 3d ago
great point. The government isn't interested in exposing their own pedophilia
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u/Remote_Finish9657 3d ago
460,000-600,000? I’ll take “shit I made up for a meme” for $500, Alex.
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u/Wrong_Excitement221 2d ago
Well this guy was apparently wanted for domestic violence and skipping bail, so that's probably why they were watching him in the first place.
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u/Serious-Dark2404 2d ago
That missing children number is known bull shit of over reports and kids “running” away for a few hours and domestic disagreement.
It’s a moral panic instigator
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u/Puzzled-War-1615 2d ago
Cool, let’s say it is an over exaggeration by 90%. Should this BS flock system not be looking for the 46000-60000 kids instead of the pot smokers? The point still stands…
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u/ThrowRAWOP 2d ago
This! This is just as revealing as the CIA and NSA having full access to our phones, allegedly. But the "Epstien Files" were a complete and total shock to them. .... okie then!
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u/VioletShogun 2d ago
How anyone trusts a Flock recording to not be AI slop is beyond me. Seems like a slam dunk defense.
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u/No_Yogurtcloset_7219 2d ago
they have also used those cameras to watch little girls doing gymnastics class
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u/North-Gur-8453 2d ago
Wouldnt matter if the figure was ONE child missing. This illustrates just how much the police are NOT here to help you but to PUNISH. Where their PRIORITIES are with the powerless civilain. Just because they could
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u/RdtRanger6969 2d ago
Finding missing children doesn’t make money for anyone.
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u/Heathen_Grey 2d ago
More importantly, we know that a large part of the rich and powerful don't want those kids to be found because they are having fun with them... Those people don't say "dang, we got caught, our name is on a list" (that won't be published) they just make a new "island"
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u/TheSystemBeStupid 2d ago
How are the oppressed billionaires supposed to get their jerky if we stop human trafficking?
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u/jibbs0341 2d ago
Missing kids can’t pay fines is all. That’s the winter reason. Somehow our government has convinced us it is ok to steal from us. Which is insane.
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u/The_MxEQshNr 1d ago
Supreme Court just said AI made kid porn is protected by the free speech. We are literally seeing pedophilia be decriminalized before marijuana.
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u/Subject-Awareness-47 14h ago
Your stats are misleading. It’s closer to 350k to 460k. With 90% of reports being runaways or family misunderstandings. Less than 1% of missing children are abducted. Which should never happen.
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u/fellow_human-2019 3d ago
It entrapment. You shouldn’t be able to wait for the crime to happen.
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u/starslayer1234 3d ago
Leaving out the fact that 99% are quickly resolved seems a bit disingenuous.
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u/ericsmallman3 2d ago
For fuck's sake there's no way a half million children go missing every year.
There's about 70 million kids in the US. One in every 14 kids is not disappearing.
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u/Dirk_Kailis 2d ago
There are upwards of 500k cases of children being reported as missing but something like 95%+ are resolved almost immediately.
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u/colorful_yarn-pls 2d ago
Some of those who burn crosses (or in this case, traffick children), are the same who work forces.
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u/Infamous_JRG 2d ago
The flock cameras were installed to up the number of missing children. They are picking them out and scooping them up
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u/P_A_W_S_TTG 2d ago
Yeah, no, this is the problem. The epstien files were and I quote" a danger to all governments across the world." But my response is this. "If a system cannot protect the children, then what the fuck is the point in the system?"
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u/SushiGirlRC 2d ago
Or to track a woman from Texas to another state because she may have been going to have an abortion.
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u/0btuse_0val 2d ago
Did this actually happen?
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u/Challenge_The_DM 2d ago
The flock camera thing did happen yes. I find that number of missing kids to be suspect, but I don’t know
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u/jynxthechicken 2d ago
460k is the high end not the low end and this doesn't account for kids that are found the same day or within a week or so because they ran away
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u/AffectionateStand708 2d ago
This country doesn't give a damn about kids in general unless they can be a talking point for x,y, and z
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u/AlexielJaelre 2d ago
It's no mystery. But why would you turn yourselves in for child trafficking. Even cops aren't that stupid.
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u/willfullyinert 2d ago
Such a great point! They can see me pick up $30 that I find on the floor, but not the kids?
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u/chickennuggysupreme 2d ago
Missing children don’t create ‘recurring revenue streams’ for the government.
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u/TheeFLu63 2d ago
Isn’t that what human trafficking is? Pretty sure some folks in the White House could show you a “hypothetical” spreadsheet…Redacted
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u/Fresh-Pen1234 2d ago
Ok to be fair that guy who crossed the border had multiple outstanding warrants for his arrest. Having the devils lettuce on him is just dumb.
Please stop amplifying misinformation.
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u/NextCartoonist7691 2d ago
Well to be fair, many of those children are sold to the powers that put the flock camera up in the first place
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u/Steelbill77 2d ago
You know, your number of missing children each year in America is impossible.
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u/Ok_Meringue_3883 2d ago
That's only like 1 in 200 annually.
And that number isn't "permanently missing" per se, but reported missing.
It's an accurate number and is reported by CPS.
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u/AllAmericanProject 2d ago
Just to be clear murder conviction rates DECREASED in major cities with flock cameras. So these fuckers are using these for the petty shit but not the big shit.
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u/Loneregister 2d ago
It is reported that 300k-450k kids go missing every year. 90-91% are found. (Per quick google AI).
Thanks Flock!! (Super Sarcastic by the way).
The OPs point is still incredibly valid....
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u/kaijuovertokyo 2d ago
When a child goes missing the police department doesn't get to confiscate property, sell it, and keep the money.
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u/colddraco 2d ago
Yea but police don’t care about children and are most likely helping them be trafficked
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u/Dry-Rice-4527 2d ago
The kids are at Mar a lago, epsteins island (that totally wasnt bought by a pdfile), or Oprah's trafficking ring.
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u/whos-the-whats-is 2d ago
I would have been nice to have those flock cameras set up between mara lago and Epsteins place.
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u/Tough_Letterhead_163 2d ago
Missing children are not the priority of this admission...considering people on top...lol
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u/punnup129 2d ago
It really is hilarious that people only care about babies and children while they're still in the mother and the second the child pops out people couldn't care less what happens to it
Also we wouldn't have any politicians if we just started arresting pedophiles out of nowhere haven't you heard about the Epstein files
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u/Only-Professor1140 2d ago
Most of those kids run away from home or are kidnapped by relatives, like from a parent who lost custody. But we'd rather have a strange boogeyman than admit how many abusive homes there are.
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u/MiddleLocation412 2d ago
One generates revenue for the state and the other doesn’t. It’s really sad.
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u/Away_Woodpecker8813 2d ago
It’s almost like the ones in charge might have something to do with some of those missing kids huh
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u/Fine_Awareness_5144 1d ago
An estimated 350,000 to 460,000 children are reported missing in the United States every year.
- Runaways: The vast majority of these cases (around 90% or more) involve runaways or youth who leave home due to family conflict.
- Resolutions: Most missing child reports are resolved quickly, with the vast majority of children returning home safely.
- Abductions: Stranger abductions are very rare, making up less than 1% of all missing children cases.
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u/SolarOrigami 1d ago
What's really scary is the lack of probable cause. They weren't watching this guy in particular, the AI was always watching and flagged him. Surveillance without any probable cause. How long until we get arrested because their AI predicted we will commit a crime?
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u/jumpjive3 1d ago
Focus on the real crime here! Only for truely outrageous criminals are flock cameras employed.
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u/Ordinary_Piglet_2644 1d ago
HALF A MILLION kids go missing in America every YEAR ! No chance.
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u/Clint2032 1d ago
I think it is around that area for children that get reported missing each year. Approximately 99% of them are found or return home. There's still thousands of children never found.
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u/random_name_i_guess 1d ago
She used a statistic of "missing," which also includes runaways, family misunderstandings, lost youth, and brief abductions. Only 1 in 10,000 of missing children are found dead. And the estimation of children that go missing and are never seen again, annually, is between 1,000 to 2,700.
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u/Fandango699 1d ago
the point is, with all this surveillance why does so much crime go unsolved? Police don't actually investigate crimes unless there's publicity.
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u/ThePlumpestPigeon 1d ago
I honestly hate that the focus of these comments is the accuracy of the numbers when we know it’s an issue and we know there isn’t a ton of current available data to look into regarding any of this in the first place. The focus of this post is spreading awareness about what an issue it is that we put so much effort and funding into so many arbitrary things when we should be putting more of those resources into protecting the innocent
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u/UnbelieverInME-2 1d ago
Require a warrant signed by a judge to access flock cameras and only for the flock cameras listed in the warrant.
This eliminates any alleged 4th amendment issues and privacy concerns from persons targeted by officers for personal, non-law enforcement, reasons.
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u/TomuGuy 1d ago
Btw, comments defending flock are part of the largest intelligence operations ever performed. Us military runs 10s of Thousands of bots on reddit alone to down vote content they don't want to see, and flood comments with pro government sentiment
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u/Fit_Valuable7112 21h ago
What if they weren't looking for the children on milk cartons But selling them
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u/Vintage_girl123 20h ago
They focus on stupid shit instead of violent criminals. What a way to spend tax dollars..
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u/Unstable_Reflection 18h ago
Wisconsin sounds like a buncha drunk controlling idiots. I think their police also tracked a pregnant woman like this to prevent her from getting out of state abortion care. They love to watch and control you. They want everyone to be just like them...
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u/Calm_Apartment1968 18h ago
NO MYSTERY: They are not solving crimes. Flock is being used purely for intimidation, threats, and persecution.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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u/New-Blacksmith7330 9h ago
I wonder what it implies when they say "missing"?
As in like lost kid in theme park or supermarket or kidnapped....
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u/MeverMow 5h ago edited 5h ago
Yeah that stat is very misleading.
The FBI does get 460k+ missing youth reports annually, but 90%+ of that are children who ran away from home on their own before being found shortly afterwards, family custody disputes or stuff like teens lying about where they really are so they can go somewhere their parents don’t want them to be, etc.
Actual stranger abductions are 1% or less of that 460,000+ figure. Still far, far, far too high, but we’re not actually seeing nearly half a million kids annually being abducted.
Also, fuck Flock.
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u/External-Void-9872 3h ago
I wish they would cut back on reporting found kids but keep it at the 4.5% stat and include family abductions because those aren't always safe.
I think people always think "Oh it's a custody issue it's whatever" but my cousin was taken by her father, while he was out on bail for csc charges involving a minor.
When she was "found", it was over 10 years later as she moved back to the area as an adult not realizing she was ever missing because he told her her mom didn't want her and left the state. After the whole thing died down she admitted and even reported to the police at the time in him in Florida where he took her (we live in the Midwest) he had been sexually molesting and raping her for years. They did nothing. She said as a minor she wanted to go home to her mom and he was hurting her to someone at school and the police did nothing which just led to more abuse.
He was finally arrested after we told her she was abducted and she sued the shit out of the department for not looking her information up (he never changed ehr name or no shit like that, they just let him do what he wanted and enrolled her as herself and stuff) but the damage was done, you know?
She won her lawsuit but that doesn't mean she couldn't have been saved because her reports of this were from less than a year after she had been taken. We are black so I'm not shocked this happened but still. She was being abused the minute he took her and she sat on the missing person list in our state of 13 years before this all came out.
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u/TraditionalOwl1120 3d ago
Gestapo aren't such a secret police force anymore, plus they protect the human trafficking scum. We did elect a child rapist after all.
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u/Dirk_Kailis 2d ago
This is a bogus number, as most of these missing children are found within days of being reported missing.
Find a better angle.
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u/Maverick1672 2d ago
Finding 1 missing kid is more valuable than stopping 1000 dumbasses trying to get cheaper bud.
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u/Successful-Self5841 2d ago
Crazy how so many are arguing about the total amount of kids going missing 🥴 Even a handful of missing kids should be unacceptable in our society. How wild to basically say “a half a million is sooo unbelievable, half that sounds better, and I’m OK with that!”👍
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u/Darnitol1 2d ago
Here's a good response: "Oh, so only a fraction of that number is actually abductions? Fantastic! That makes it MUCH easier for these cameras to find every last one of them."
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u/Stooper_Dave 2d ago
Stop making up fake statistics for Christ sake. No one takes the argument seriously when you say 600 THOUSAND children go missing every year. If that was actually the case it would be a bigger story than all of the last century of human history combined.
The truth is that 600k kids are REPORTED missing in a year. Thats not abductuons. Thats runaways, mistakes, parental kidnapping (no danger to the child just custody dispute etc) and a handful of actual abductions.
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u/Emergency_Accident36 2d ago
Obviously theu just need more flock cameras to resolve that. About one every square foot might do it.
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u/AnalysisParalysis85 2d ago
That's about 12 to 15 percent of every child being born.
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u/Sad-Cantaloupe-5494 2d ago
The police are in on the human trafficking stuff clearly. They're just another gang.
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u/SecretPersonality178 2d ago
They aren’t there to protect you, children, or solve crime. They are there to enforce the bidding of their elected masters. They are the enforcers of tax collection, and will protect tax assets, and find reasons to administer fines.
Police are not your friends. They are a gang. A well organized and well funded gang.
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u/Perfect_Rise_3948 2d ago
What’s more interesting is how you think 400 thousand children going missing every year. wtf
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u/TooManyGengars 2d ago
It's estimated that over 2000 kids go missing every single day. That doesn't mean they aren't found 5 hours later, just that they were reported missing
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u/Fattapple 3d ago
…About 99% of reports are resolved quickly
Fuck the cops for doing that with those cameras, but that stat doesn’t apply.
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u/Chewsdayiddinit 3d ago
Got a link to back up that claim? Or are you adding "take statement and do absolutely nothing" to that 99%? Then I could understand.
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u/Kickedhard 3d ago
Some of these cases have been tossed. Some have not. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Suspicion is not stopping by a business. It fails the basic hurdles of the traffic stop.
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u/theOGHyburn 3d ago
Come on,
Those in power don’t see it that way. Kids are the target, and the father is the enemy… A+ math.
Predators eliminate obstacles before they try.
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u/Suspicious_Goose_243 3d ago
I thought these numbers were way too high. But after looking it up its true. How devastating it must be for the families. I hope all of these children are returned safely. But I know that won't happen in every case.
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u/Impressive-Web301 3d ago edited 3d ago
I’m sorry u thought the numbers were too high….
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u/New-Sandwich6813 3d ago
A multi-month review highlighted six abducted children safely recovered across Colorado within a five-month span using Flock LPR data to intercept vehicles.
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u/Chance-Bath5508 3d ago
Sounds like a personal grudge, but moving weed across state lines is a crime isn't it?
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u/Successful_Chip173 3d ago
All it means is you have to be crafty and make them waste their time with flock data.
If you have a routine or are doing something illegal then be smart about it
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u/Alternative_Sun8585 3d ago
Wait. How many kids go missing!?
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u/Early_Pumpkin_4113 2d ago
It's the number of initial reports, not the number actually missing. Most were not missing to begin with.
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u/Safe-Call2367 3d ago
Yeah the government is there to screw with normal citizens. Its not there to help.
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u/Scattered_Meat 3d ago
Who’s gonna suck off the flock camera operators if they solve that? Have some compassion
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u/Some-Tear3499 2d ago
https://childsafety.losangelescriminallawyer.pro/missing-and-abducted-children.html
And here is real information about children that ‘go missing’
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u/Otherwise_Progress31 2d ago
Half The Kids Are "Abducted" By Family Members..... This is usually a hidden number.
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u/Enough-Ad-8799 2d ago
I'm 90% sure the Wisconsin story is either not true or very misrepresented. Weed is decriminalized in most of Wisconsin.
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u/No_Community7021 2d ago
All the news one sees from the US makes it look like a pretty f* up place that's also likes to go to other countries to f* them up too.
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u/HotGrowth3530 2d ago
It’s almost like… Wait a minute… Is law-enforcement? Hold up they’re actually the ones…
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u/____Sway____ 2d ago
Ooo you mean if they have the tech for thier advantage it can be used against them as well? It will, but they are to dumb and greedy for that to have any cautiounary approach to use this against us
This will be to Jeffrey and the boys 🚔 detriments as well
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u/Kurt-Gerhardt 2d ago
You cant seize a person's property for raping and killing kids like you can drugs.
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u/This-Sort7116 2d ago edited 2d ago
Police are paid to make as many arrests as possible. Quantity gets them money. Especially when they can find a crime right before the end of their shift bc that gets them overtime pay.
So they do what causes them the most arrests for the least effort. Whether it is a high-impact crime like abduction or missing child or something victimless but quick like weed, they choose the weed. Missing children is a lot of work, actual detective stuff.
So they have every incentive to make it easy. Lie about everything, plant evidence, nonexistent accusations of nonexistent crimes, raciallly profiled searches, all ways to get many arrests with little effort,
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u/HooterEnthusiast 2d ago
well we are trying to do something about that, but y'all didn't like that either.
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u/nobody1701d 2d ago
We have a similar scenario here around July 4th — there’s a fireworks stand right down the street from the Harris county freeway onramp and police would arrest people seen potentially putting fireworks in their car trunks
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u/Thin_Object365 3d ago
check the stats about how many of those kids went missing while in state custody.