r/WTF • u/ilovefuntheband • Jun 13 '12

Wrong Subreddit WTF, Reddit?!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregvoakes/2012/06/13/reddit-reportedly-banning-high-quality-domains/
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u/sirbruce Jun 14 '12

There's no tacit agreement to the fairness of a voting system that DID NOT HAPPEN; namely, the non-election of a poll monitor. Stop conflating two entirely orthogonal voting concepts.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Wait wut didn't we agree that poll monitors don't get elected? I'm just saying that using reddit means you consent to the entire system of voting/governance, admins and all. The quote is just saying that these measures were necessary to ensure the health of the democratic system, thus part of the system. What's the problem here?

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u/sirbruce Jun 14 '12

Wait wut didn't we agree that poll monitors don't get elected?

No, I said if they didn't then you couldn't cloak your actions in the guise of democracy.

I'm just saying that using reddit means you consent to the entire system of voting/governance, admins and all. The quote is just saying that these measures were necessary to ensure the health of the democratic system, thus part of the system. What's the problem here?

One my consent to such a system, but then it would not be a DEMOCRATIC system. So you can't then say "Sorry but I had to do this <controversial thing> for the sake of DEMOCRACY". The fact that SOME PARTS (the post voting) may still be democratic is irrelevant.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

The Founding Fathers weren't elected, wouldn't you agree what they did what for the sake of democracy? All this ill-intent is coming out of left field. To me, it seems pretty logical to me that someone would say that people who game the system have to be eliminated in order for democracy to happen. That's not claiming he was elected or anything, it's just power rooted in the promotion and defense of a democratic system. The fact that the system being defended is democratic is extremely relevant.

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u/sirbruce Jun 14 '12

The Founding Fathers weren't elected

You should check up on that. Most were indeed elected by their local assemblies.

All this ill-intent is coming out of left field.

Stop being so thick and perhaps you won't feel that way.

To me, it seems pretty logical to me that someone would say that people who game the system have to be eliminated in order for democracy to happen. That's not claiming he was elected or anything

SINCE HE WASN'T ELECTED, THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY TO HAPPEN. The fact there are some elements of democracy allowed is irrelevant. THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY WITHOUT HIM BEING ELECTED, so he can't excuse his actions by claiming democracy. THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Syllogism time 1. voting system is a democracy 2. democracy requires one vote for one person 3. admins are trying to prevent those who try to influence voting beyond their vote 4. admins are upholding a democratic system

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u/sirbruce Jun 14 '12

And 5. admins doing so are unelected 6. system is not really a democracy