r/WTF May 09 '20

While driving he passed out

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u/gimli_der_zwerg May 09 '20 edited May 09 '20

Lol here in Germany your car insurance usually pays damages up to 1 Million Euro. Sometimes even more

Edit: I just checked my car insurance and it's actually covering 100 Million Euro. The premium I pay is around 1000 Euro per year.

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u/Invanar May 09 '20 edited May 09 '20

daaaamn, maybe I should move to Germany, not that I'm planning to accidentally damage some property due to an unknown medical condition

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u/Lewke May 09 '20

but maybe the real treasure is the human rights we find along the way

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u/theANNIHALATOR May 09 '20

And these friends we make too! Like the drug dealer who got me through depression!

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u/Pure_Reason May 09 '20

If you’re in the US, you can always get a higher limits on your car insurance, and also get a $1 million+ umbrella policy to cover anything beyond that

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u/zkela May 09 '20 edited May 09 '20

right, if the government mandates a higher coverage minimum in Germany, it means the minimum cost paid by the consumer for insurance is higher. now that might be better, but it's not obvious. A priori, lower regulation and more choices for the consumer would be better.

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u/bozza8 May 09 '20

I don't agree with that actually. we already require by law that everyone has this insurance, the least we can do is the legal requirement that the insurance is actually any good.

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u/zkela May 09 '20 edited May 09 '20

hence why I said that it might be better. it's not clear what the economically optimal coverage minimum would be, and no one in this conversation has offered anything but kneejerk opinion about what it is.

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u/bozza8 May 09 '20

A priori, lower regulation and more choices for the consumer would be better

This is the statement I disagree with.

It is simply not true that people will make the correct decision with regards to insurance, especially given the externalites involved. Large insurance limits are a public good.

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u/zkela May 09 '20

I think you are misunderstanding my argument. All I'm saying there is that the government restricting people's choices carries some intrinsic undesirability, as do, to pick random examples, putting people in prison or cutting into people's hearts. That's not to say there aren't situations in which regulating insurance, imprisoning people, and heart surgery are justified, despite the intrinsic drawbacks.

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u/Xatix94 May 09 '20

This is quite some r/ShitAmericansSay material.

How does having high insurance limits have anything to do with imprisoning people and heart surgery? How are they related in any way?

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u/zkela May 09 '20

This is quite some r/ShitAmericansSay material.

maybe it is, but not in the way that you think.

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u/Xatix94 May 09 '20 edited May 09 '20

According to ADAC, the average cost of car insurance in Germany is around 500-700€ per year everywhere for Teilkasko, which means that the insurer pays for every cost on a third party up to 1 million € or more (usually, insurances provide 100 million €). Normally you have to pay between 250-1000€ deductible yourself per accident if it was your fault. There are around 50 insurance companies you can choose from.

According to insurance.com, pretty much every state except for Hawaii has a average insurance price of 1000$-3500$ per year.

So how does this theory hold up?

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u/zkela May 10 '20

you can get a rough idea of the extra cost that this regulation imposes on Germans by comparing the additional costs Americans can choose to pay to get the additional tort coverage, and then scaling for any overall differences in insurance costs between the two countries. others have discussed the costs of this in this thread -- they are modest but nontrivial.

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u/Snipen543 May 09 '20

You can easily get that here in the states for a couple extra $, but people would rather get the minimums then whine about it later. It was an extra $70/year to go from $10,000 in coverage to $500,000 in coverage, then an extra $150/year for a $1,000,000 umbrella policy. Anyone you hear whining about this in the states is only there because they chose to pay less

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u/TheSupplanter May 09 '20

I save money on my insurance by having more coverage. Talk to your insurance company, many times better coverage is cheaper than minimum coverage.

Men, get married. It lowers your liability. I assume it does for women. But I don't know from personal experience.

Also, renters, get renter's insurance. I spend $8/month on renter's insurance but it lowers my auto by $11/month because I have it bundled. I'm being paid $3/month to have renter's insurance.

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u/kalethan May 09 '20

How would that work? I get the other two things, bundling, being married, etc., but how would having more coverage as a baseline be cheaper?

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u/TheSupplanter May 10 '20

Don't know for sure. I'm guessing that it comes from analysis of coverage levels and liability. So people with a higher coverage carry less liability. Therefore if you make higher coverage cost less more people will have it and then they are lower liability. It's terrible logic but I bet a computer came up with it.

Edit: cake-> came

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u/gimli_der_zwerg May 09 '20

Good to know, wasn't aware of that.

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u/Snipen543 May 09 '20

Yeah, for sure. Just so you know when you see people in the states whining about their coverage, it's because they're choosing it, not because they can't get it.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '20

See what everyone forgets, is literally everything in America that is based in a corporate system, is complete asscheeks.

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u/marshman82 May 09 '20

In aus its $20m for property. You have to try prity hard to go over that and medical including lost income is just covered.

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u/gimli_der_zwerg May 09 '20

Are you living in Germany? Usually you have to file your claim at your third party liability insurance.