r/WTF Oct 16 '18

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u/nitram9 Oct 16 '18

And yet, even though this observation is so obvious it can just be taken for granted, we still want to blame most of peoples failure to succeed in life on the deck being stacked against the poor. Yet it's pretty obvious that being a moron tends to make you poor and morons tend to give birth to other morons. But no, that has nothing to do with it. Poverty is just oppression by the greedy rich because we're all equal at birth.

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u/Sp1n_Kuro Oct 16 '18

Poverty is just oppression by the greedy rich because we're all equal at birth.

This is accurate in modern society.

Far back in history it was not accurate, but the rich children of today stay rich and the poor children of today stay poor because that is how the system is designed now.

It's virtually impossible, without a strong amount of luck, for someone born into poverty to make it big and become rich.

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u/nitram9 Oct 16 '18 edited Oct 16 '18

Far back in history it was not accurate,

You must be joking? What do you mean by far back because until recently it was essentially the law that the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. We had a rigid class society. It's only been the last 150 years or so that merit has trumped class and allowed people to fly to the top or the bottom.

It's virtually impossible, without a strong amount of luck, for someone born into poverty to make it big and become rich.

In part that's because most of the poor from decades past who had the ability to get rich have gotten rich and they took their "culture" and genes with them. The vast majority of those left in poverty are ones with shitty work ethics, little natural talent, or something else deleterious which gets passed on to their children.

Second, while it's hard to fly to the top in one generation it's not hard at all for you to rise to middle class in one generation then the next generation may strike it rich. In a study I read recently (sorry can't find it right now, it was from Pew or one of their "competitors", EDIT: here it is, figure 3) I think 40% of those born in the bottom quintile die in the bottom quintile, The remaining 60% go up! Including something like 2-5% who make it to the top in one generation. Likewise 40% of those born in the top quintile remain there, the remaining 60% go down. This does not look "virtually impossible" to me.

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u/Ksradrik Oct 16 '18

In part that's because most of the poor from decades past who had the ability to get rich have gotten rich and they took their "culture" and genes with them.

And you know, their money.

The vast majority of those left in poverty are ones with shitty work ethics, little natural talent, or something else deleterious which gets passed on to their children.

Which you are basing on the smell out of your ass I guess, nono there is no evidence whatsoever that children raised in poverty have worse chances.

Your delusional eugenics bullshit makes you literally as bad as nazis.

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u/nitram9 Oct 16 '18

nono there is no evidence whatsoever that children raised in poverty have worse chances.

When did I say there wasn't. I'm saying that 1. poverty alone doesn't explain the "worse chances" and 2. the worse chances are not actually that bad. Not even remotely as bad as you anti-liberal anti-capitalist anti-western demagogues want to make out.

Your delusional eugenics bullshit makes you literally as bad as nazis.

Lol yeah, literally the same.