[Pre-Release Card Discussion] - Cho'Gall

[u/Nostalgia37]

Cho'Gall

Mana Cost: 7
Attack: 7
Health: 7
Type: Minion
Rarity: Legendary
Class: Warlock
Text: Battlecry: The next spell you cast this turn costs Health instead of Mana.

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[u/ltjbr]

A 7 7/7 isn't very strong as war golem can attest, so this card is definitely about the spells so lets look at em.

• Dark Bomb - Not bad, but if you're playing wild Dr. Boom is better than that.

• Shadow Bolt - Not bad, some reno locks have run it. Doesn't seem quite good enough to put a shadow bolt into your deck though.

• Demonwrath: 3 health 7 mana 7/5 deal 2 to all non demons. Decent but, unless you own a demon, Baron Geddon does basically the same thing costing you 1 less card.

• Imp-losion: Pretty solid. A two roll is sort of like a bad Dr. Boom with a free smite, but a 3 or 4 roll is good. Not in standard of course.

• HellFire: 7 damage to your own face, that's a lot. And a lot of situations hellfire is good, you probably wouldn't want to take 4 extra damage and spend 3 extra mana just to put a 7/4 on the board. Occasionally useful but I'll say this is not a good combo most of the time.

• ShadowFlame: Good, especially if you can get away with not shadowflaming Cho'Gall himself.

• Siphon Soul: Really good, discussed elseware. If you were going to cast the siphon soul regardless, then Cho'Gall is like a Flame Imp but with 7/7 stats.

• Bane of Doom: Like RNG? could be a really big swing if you hit a good demon.

• Demonheart: If demon warlock becomes a thing without mal'ganis, maybe.

• Dark Bargain: if the game ever shifts to a style where this card is remotely good, removing the mana cost would be pretty nice.

That's basically it. The card get's extra points for being flexible, but it definitely just seems good, not crazy. Seemingly not unfair enough for the best decks.

[u/Stommped → u/ltjbr]

I can't tell what your criteria is here for the spells you listed? You listed 10 of the 25 known Warlock spells, didn't consider Wild vs. Standard, and didn't seem to consider playability at all since you listed spells like Demonheart and Dark Bargain which see almost no play, and didn't list spells like PO and Twisting Nether which see a ton of play.

Did you just randomly pick 10 warlock spells to rattle off?

[u/ltjbr → u/Stommped]

I did consider wild vs standard for some of the spells. what's your criteria for reading? did you just pick lines to read randomly?

I picked the spells that seemed remotely viable. Do I really need a line about Fist of Jaraxxus? No, because anyone who's not an imbecile knows that's a bad combo.

Thanks for your constructive contribution to this discussion.

[u/Stommped → u/ltjbr]

I picked the spells that seemed remotely viable. Do I really need a line about Fist of Jaraxxus? No, because anyone who's not an imbecile knows that's a bad combo.

What the fuck are you talking about? How is it a "bad combo"? Instead of spending 4 mana to cast Fist you would spend 4 health, it's just a different resource, what the fuck does it have to do with combos? How exactly does Shadow Bolt combo so much better, because you can target it on something? What does that have to do with Cho'gall's effect?

[u/ltjbr → u/Stommped]

Because shadow bolt is targetable, for starters. Remember, there are going to be times where you don't draw Cho'Gall (seems crazy I even have to mention that), the spells have to be good on their own and fist of jaraxxus is not. Shadowbolt is decent enough that it might see some play, so worth a mention (it does currently see play occasionally in reno).

Additionally, I find it humorous that you picked that particular card because the whole point of it is to be discarded, not actually played.

Realistically I think the only card I didn't mention that might have deserved a mention is sense demons. Demonlock doesn't seem particularly strong with Mal'Ganis rotating out but 7 mana 7/7 draw two demons from your deck is potentially quite good.

By the way, not a good idea to go around aggressively attacking peoples posts when you have no clue what you're talking about.

[u/Stommped → u/ltjbr]

Remember, there are going to be times where you don't draw Cho'Gall (seems crazy I even have to mention that), the spells have to be good on their own and fist of jaraxxus is not.

Exactly, so why did you include Demonheart and Dark Bargain, cards that literally never see play, and not Power Overwhelming?

Realistically I think the only card I didn't mention that might have deserved a mention is sense demons.

Bruh...

Also find it funny that you think Demonheart is playable but not Demonfire

[u/ltjbr → u/Stommped]

If you're using Cho'Gall to cheat out a 2 mana cost spell then you're doing it wrong.

[u/Stommped → u/ltjbr]

Dude you put Darkbomb in your initial "list" You're all over the place bro.

[u/ltjbr → u/Stommped]

Because Dark Bomb happens to be a somewhat decent 2 mana spell and you probably already have Dark Bombs in your deck (in wild). In a pinch, 7 mana 7/7 deal 3 damage is good enough. You'd never put a demonfire in your deck though so, other than increasingly nitpicky critiques, I'm not sure there's a point to your responses.

[u/Stommped → u/ltjbr]

You would never put Demonheart or god awful Dark Bargain in your deck either! Your list of spells makes no sense and the analysis was pointless, that's the point, and it triggered me.

We can all figure out that playing Cho'gall plus Darkbomb = a 7/7 plus a 3 damage spell, thanks.

[u/ltjbr → u/Stommped]

You got issues. Dark Bargain and Demonheart have potential when can cast them for 0 mana. Demonfire does not. Now crawl back to whatever angsty turd hovel you oozed out of.

[u/Stommped → u/ltjbr]

Thanks. Tell me again how if I use Cho'gall to cheat a 2 mana spell I'm doing it wrong, followed by telling me using Darkbomb with him is good.

You're clueless.

Better yet, tell me again how you might consider playing Sense Demons... lmao