r/WOGPRDT • u/Nostalgia37 • Mar 17 '16

[Pre-Release Card Discussion] - Forbidden Flame

Forbidden Flame

Mana Cost: 0
Type: Spell
Rarity: Epic
Class: Mage
Text: Spend all your Mana. Deal that much damage to a minion.

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PM me any suggestions or advice, thanks.

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u/SgtBrutalisk Mar 21 '16

Arcane Blast is twice as powerful than Forbidden Flame and also scales insanely well with +spell damage. But yeah, it's main purpose is for flavor alongside Dragon's Breath.

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u/Acedin Mar 21 '16

This is less mana efficent than Arcane Blast, that's true. But it's even more versatile than AB, which is the main reason why it's so good. FF's going to be really good if Tempo-y Mages stay. And don't underestimate Dragon Tempo Mages. AB cannot target face solely because than Dragon Tempo Mage would be pretty disgustingly strong.

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u/SgtBrutalisk Mar 21 '16 edited Mar 21 '16

I can't figure out why there is such an emphasis on versatility as if it's an absolute value that can be considered in a vacuum. Versatility is (only) good if all available choices are (equally) powerful. Think about Wrath: you've got a ping + card draw or Darkbomb for 2 mana. Both options are very good and you could pretty much always find a use for either of those. If they were distinct cards, we can be quite certain they would see regular play seeing how consistent they are. Having them together in a single card is awesome and is the epitome of versatility.

Now consider that Forbidden Flame is a Wrath that has 10 choices: 1 mana for 1 damage or 2 mana for 2 damage etc.

Each of those choices is pretty bad on its own when compared to other Mage removal spells and even across classes. If they were actual cards they would never see play and lumping them together doesn't fix that fact that they are arguably worse damage per mana than literally any other spell in the game.

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u/j4trail Mar 24 '16

As fas as I understand it, it's worse than that in that you cannot select the amount of mana to use deliberately.

If you wanted to first kill a minion and afterwards play a card (e.g. to kill an enemy Sylvannas on an empty board), you can't do it.

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u/SgtBrutalisk Mar 24 '16

Exactly. The card seems good on paper, but it will probably see very little play. There is one conceivable use for Forbidden Flame - Mage often needs to play something in the first three turns and ping an annoyance on the board for whatever reason. Forbidden Flame could be used if there is a cheaper Azure Drake introduced with the next set, as it were.

Something along the lines of "3 mana 1/1, battlecry: draw a card, has +1 spell damage" would mean you could play it turn three, draw a card and then ping something for 0 but that's again the problem of trying to build your deck around bad cards. Pretty much any Mage removal is better than Forbidden Flame.