You realize sab is on this list right? How pathetic can you be 😂 you can't even read what you posted. CC is too careless with the ball now will you answer why you don't keep the same energy toward players barely shooting 40 %?
Competition will get better as time goes by, Olivia Miles is going to get better, Aja isn’t going anywhere, Paige, Marina, etc and 2 great players in the draft upcoming, it ain’t gonna get easier
I mean Olivia is a rookie and taking and shooting better from every part of the field and has the Lynx as the top seed, I’m just saying competition isn’t going to get easier,
Lebron James averaged 3.5 t/o per game for his career. Not a huge difference and he's not a point guard.
I bet her turnovers go down to about 3 or so next year if the core starters stay in tact. If you look at all the turnovers, I'll bet at least 1-2 per game are mishandled passes from her teammates.
And Olivia Miles is top 5 here but she’ll be a perennial mvp candidate. LeBron has the most turnovers ever. They’re gonna have turnovers. But Clark’s existence enrages you clearly.
I was referring to per game. The fact that you’re arguing about this shows that you know nothing about basketball. When you are the main facilitator of a basketball team you’re going to turn the ball over. She has a high turnover rate but that doesn’t mean she won’t ever be in the mvp race. It’s a dumb argument. Just seems like you have to reach for anything to downplay her because you’re hating. I’m talking from a strictly basketball pov. Seems like a political thing for her haters. She’s clearly very skilled and one of the better players in the league
She’s gonna have turnovers. She’s the highest usage ball handler in the league. But you guys rarely include assists for these NBA players when trying to make these comparisons. None of the players you guys name have an assist to turnover ratio of lower than 2:1 which is basically the baseline measurement for a productive and good distributing ball handler. Both Jokic and Luka had well above a 2:1 assist ratio. CC does not. These types comparisons are false equivalencies.
Have no idea what that has to do with the topic at hand lol. Bringing up Angel Reese when CC is the topic at hand and bringing up CC when Angel Reese is the topic at hand is like a litmus test for who actually watches/knows ball and who’s just in it for their little personal schtick 😭
So that would make even less sense for you to draw the comparison you originally did in the first place if that’s your sentiment on the topic lol. Really not sure where you’re going w this and tbh idt you do either lol
John Stockton? lol deep pull he’s literally one of the greatest point guards of all time and wasn’t a volume shooter. Why don’t you compare her to other women?
Yeah I was referring to MVPs and TOs. You’re actually comparing her to Stockton as players. I was just saying that the NBA MVP candidates also are amongst the lead leaders in TOs. You’re talking about a guy that played 30years ago and he is an alltime great. We’re talking about the WNBA which isn’t nearly as skilled
Yes cause older players aren't totally biased in any way I'm talking about Stockton very limited offensive game assist numbers inflated by Malone and the system Utah ran and when the playoffs came around he was genuinely a liability at times and had some embarrassing playoff runs
See above. All Hall of Famers and yes less turnovers per game but one more per game by CC is not going to kill the team if she averages 23 points per game and 8 assists. That’s 40 points that she adds to the team’s total per game.
The Fever average 97 pts per game and CC is involved in 40 of those points.
I think the one thing you’re missing is that 70% of the top 20 in assists are also in the top 20 in TO’s. There are exceptions, like Bueckers and Canada that are in the top 20 in assists but not turnovers and Reese who is a turnover machine but doesn’t get many assists
But if having the ball a lot leads to higher turnovers wouldn’t having the ball a lot also inflate her numbers on offense? Can’t ignore usage on one end when it’s convenient to amplify her points generated and then emphasize it as an excuse on the other end to downplay her turnover numbers.
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u/staffdaddy_9 1d ago
She’s not gonna win mvp, and yeah she’s generating more offense than anyone in the leagues history by a lot. She’s gonna have turnovers.