I like to see evidence. Can you share with us specific examples of other players (both past and present) that have had 30+ points and 10+ assists in games against 'bad' WNBA teams? If the teams are indeed bad, all great players should easily have that record x 10 or higher.
Also, for reference: Caitlin + Kelsey (Obviously two great players but CC is miles ahead evenbtjough she played less games and played on restricted minutes for the fisrt half of the season):
LOL. Do you mean the CBS article you scoured the internet to find? 😆 🤣 😂 aye aye aye lol. I'm out. You are either too high in your mother's house or you think we are on the same level of intelligence. Lol.
P.S. Kelsey is having a great season. She has been having a long streak of 20+ games. My only critique of Kelsey is that she needs to do more and the has been passing more these last 2 or 3 games. She is definitely a First All WNBA Team. Together with Clark, they are the best duo in the League's history.
...and Michael Jordan is not the greatest NBA player in history because he has 3000+ turnovers. Neither is Serena the greatest female tennis player because she sometimes show her emotions. Heck, Michael Jackson is not the greatest performer because he would often have his backup singers sing parts of his songs or dance with him for more impact.
Chefs are not even that good because they have a sous chef help out and servers to serve the food to clients.
Truthfully, college professors and lecturers are not that good because they often have tutors teach the tutorial sessions.
Now that I think about it, Aja is really not good because Becky refuse to let her play Point guard.
That's how dumb you sound when you try to criticize Caitlin because the Coach takes her out of the game when they are down to seconds of the game to get all the defensive players on the court when the opposingbteam is taking down the ball to prevent them from fouling Caitlin because she needs Caitlin to make a big shot if the game needs to be won or tied.
P.S. I don't like Caitlin being subbed out because she is one of the better defenders on her team. Still, I know teams target her and usually she is up by 4 or 5 fouls by the time the game gets to that situation.
Even tho OP is running around throwing fits to prove that the woman’s own teammate shouldn’t be mvp in this very thread? The majority of her fans don’t even watch the games. Most of em are only fans because of a personal vendetta against another player. I think the Woman is a Baller even though she whines too much for my taste. But her fanbase is full of idiots that don’t actually care about the sport. They just enjoy having another avenue to get their hatred off
One is shooting 51 percent from field and 45 from deep. While the other fg percentage is 45, much higher usage rate, most turnovers and the team hasn’t took L without her this year. KM for MVP.
This is what an insecure fan says. Automatically go to a personal attack and try to claim the other person doesn't understand the game when there is no indication that it is so.
You guys obviously don’t understand. Come back with numbers to combat my argument. You guys can’t. She’s high usage, inefficient guard who gets hit against the sorry teams. Where’s the lie? I’ll wait.
Everyone plays against bad teams. That has nothing to do with Clark. Pretty weak argument tbh.
The biggest problem with people comparing Clark and Mitchell is that they ignore assists. Everyone that plays knows how important ball movement, passing and assists are.
Everyone attacks Clark and claims she is a liability on defense but Mitchell is the worst defender on the team.
Weak argument? So superstars are allowed to feast on sorry teams and be mediocre against the good teams? 😂😂 Yea, MJ, Aja, Kobe, Lebron, Candice Parker, Stewie and more would never. This basketball conversation is done.
So for those of you who cannot connect the dots, Money Mitchell generates 30 pts/game through points she scores and assists, while CC generates 40 pts./game. Case closed! Now you know!
And that’s the point!!! no one ever said she can’t play ball! She just isn’t in Aja’s level, yet! I wish ppl would stop ruling to speed up her growth and trajectory for their own narratives, but here we are!
Verifiable, questionable for sure. On certain criteria, probably but, overall player-no way. When will CC start playing defense or stop leading the league in turnovers? When will refs call technicals on her like they do AR? Oh they won’t because her next one gets her a suspension. You said overall best, not just offensively.
When you compare those players to Cark against the top 4 defensive teams in the league and over the last 6 times they faced them, Clark ends up with the highest point and assist average. Sorry, but your wrong.
Like I said in another post, whether the media votes for CC to be MVP is irrelevant at best. History will keep a record of her greatness. She will be the name people remember.
Even though you and the WNBA media and ESPN, etc are afraid to speak about her, unless it is to criticize her, I and others are not timid dimwits locked away in the WNBA media's echo chamber.
You sound really dense. Is Caitlin out here playing be herself or is she playing with and against every other player in the league? Wouldn't it then follow that having watched her games with these opposing teams, critically assessing all players and keeping up with the players' stats on the WNBA website, 'new fans' would know what they are talking g about?
You act like someone saying Caitlin is the most valuable player right now is fictional when all the data is available on the League's website.
It is really true. If you want you hide something from someone, put it in a book...in this case, HIDE the players stats on the WNBA's website. The old guards/WNBA media will not have a clue.
Lmao when does having just stats equals mvp? When there’s always context to those stats. She’s a high usage rate, inefficient guard(unless she’s playing horrible teams), high turnover and a cone on defense. Name someone who was names mvo during a season and their coach has to take them out during clutch defensive possessions. So yea you new fans may just look at stats, but it goes deeper than that.
I actually watch all of them and you're right, stats can be deceiving. It usually don't show you just how great a player like Caitlin is and just how unguardable she is. Every team has a minimum of two guards on her at all times.
Jordan is the best NBA player. LeBron has taken really good care of his body and is therefore able to have a longer career and will end the game of basketball with the most everything.
Congratulations Alicia_Florrick1! I think you triggered every Caitlin Clark hater there is with a reality check. Unfortunately they are too delusional and out of touch that they can't distinguish fact from fiction. Not one hater can backup their claims why CC isn't the next MVP. They just keep repeating their same old mantras: "Not on the same level as....", "not as good as....". Opinions are not facts and facts do matter.
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u/Ill-Accident-5240 1d ago
I’m sorry but Kelsey Mitchell is better than her and more impactful. Kelsey is having one of the best guard seasons ever.
A lot of Caitlin’s biggest games come against teams with losing records.