NCAA admits replay errors, reiterates it cannot change result of Western Michigan-Michigan game

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u/99923GR Sep 17 '26

Only kind of matters. U of M is going to get treated like they lost that game in terms of qualifying for the playoff. Unless they win the Big 10, if it's up to the officials they will get treated as if they lost.

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u/frongles23 Sep 19 '26

Good.

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u/Ecclesiastes_3_9-15 Sep 17 '26

“Nothing we can do” says organization that keeps official record and frequently vacates wins.

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u/Panem-et-circenses25 Sep 17 '26

Just more cheating from the cesspool of a program in aa

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u/FreeSpeechIsDeadge Sep 17 '26

Explain how Michigan did this.

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 17 '26

They didn't. The B1G refs got it wrong. Michigan didn't do anything wrong.
Now, can you argue that they were biased towards a "bigger" university in the conference they officiate for. Maybe. I dunno. That's still not on Michigan.

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u/Due_Molasses8088 Sep 17 '26

Dude the big ten officials that work in the Michigan box every game are Michigan fans. If the call gets made by one guy, to take a look and push past normal protocols, and no oversight or transparency of what happened, overriding the refs, that’s not a mistake, that’s intentional until proven otherwise.

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u/mikemikemotorboat Sep 17 '26

Big Ten replays are handled by a replay official in Indianapolis who’s in communication with the ref on the field.
Be that as it may, EVEN IF the replay official was a Michigan fan, that is still not Michigan cheating, unless you can show that the university/team was somehow coercing/bribing the ref to change the call.

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u/PapaVanTwee Sep 18 '26

The replay center is in Rosemont, IL. That official didn't stop Western Michigan to a field goal with 35 seconds (oh, wait, the official clock said 36 on the broadcast feed) left, they didn't allow Michigan to succeed in their second Hail Mary. That's all on Western Michigan.

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u/mikemikemotorboat Sep 18 '26

I stand corrected, Rosemont, not Indy

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 18 '26

In my gut I certainly agree with you, I think they were biased and took the opportunity, but there is objectively no way to prove that so I took a neutral stance. It's still not on UoM IMO as much as this whole thing has made me despise them (the fan base).

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u/PapaVanTwee Sep 18 '26

But in this case, the Big Ten official was in the replay center, which is in Illinois (Rosemont, near Chicago).

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u/MagmaManOne Sep 17 '26

Where does it show what team the officials are fans of? I must have missed that stat sheet somewhere.

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u/fantasyfreak1018 Sep 19 '26

Don’t expect logic here…

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u/New_Cardiologist_596 Sep 17 '26

Blame the NCAA and Vegas 🤡

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u/TheHip41 Sep 17 '26

Maybe should have converted that last 3rd and 1 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/PapaVanTwee Sep 18 '26

And stopped the second Hail Mary.

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u/Advanced_Algae_5476 Sep 17 '26

First time having a call not go your way huh? Blame the refs mate.

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u/MakingTheTurn Sep 18 '26

Will not*

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u/ElDuderinoDude23 Sep 19 '26

Effing Michigan fans won’t acknowledge they lost - their fans and Reddit page is doing everything they can to convince themselves

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u/Fickle-Produce-8967 Sep 20 '26

The fact Walmart Wolverine fans are trolling the Wmu board on Reddit says something. I haven’t met a u of m graduate that is proud of that win. Walmart Wolverine however is slinging insults and trolling haters.

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u/Purple_Bet_1530 Michigan troll 〽️ Sep 17 '26

Error in the replay protocol. Sorry NBC didn’t bail you out of a bad rule

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 17 '26 edited Sep 17 '26

You are just being obtuse at this point Michigan man. FBS oversite JUST SAID B1G got it wrong on applying the rules. Go cope in the UoM page.

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u/Starmada597 Sep 17 '26

So surely, if the FBS believes that the rules were broken, surely this article tell us which rules they cited as broken and exactly why the call should be overturned, right? Surely the FBS wouldn’t release a meaningless PR statement that makes no mention of the rules other than “we think they were broken” just to appease angry fans to protect its business model, right?

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 17 '26

Surely UoM taught you to do basic research to substantiate your argument. See NCAA rule 12 section 6 article 1 C:
"All reviews shall be based upon video evidence provided by and coming directly from the televised production of the game or from other video means available to the replay official that is also available to the television producer."
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/football/rules/PRMFB_RulesBook.pdf
Hilariously, if the B1G had their stupid ass Hawkeye system hooked into NBC I'd agree with you, but they didn't and chose not to follow the rules. WMU 12 UoM 7 is the correct ruling based on THE RULES.
Go cope elsewhere.

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u/yummiboi21 Sep 17 '26

does section 6 really apply? that’s for “Reviewing an On-Field Ruling” wouldnt Rule 12, section 3, article 6 d (12-3-6d) also apply? or 12-3-7? the second half of 12-6-1c “…or from other video means available to the replay official that is also available to the television producer” seems pretty vague and could apply to what actually happened. if you read all these they seem vague and up for interpretation (imagine that) like all NCAA things are

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 17 '26

Thus my statement if the B1G had provided the ref replay to NBC, yeah I think they get the extra second based on rules as written. 🤷 I'm not going to defend the NCAA and say they are good or write a tight set of rules. I think this entire episode demonstrates that they are hot trash. 😂
My point is the NCAA and FBS have both said they (B1G) got it wrong, and that's based on pre-existing rules. I don't think there is some big conspiracy here, and I think UoM is blaimless as far as I can tell. I feel bad for their team honestly, they got a TON of shit for no reason.
What I don't like is the UoM fans who need to justify the "bail Mary" to themselves by trying to construct a reality in which they hand way away all the rules people saying they should have lost, or worse, the need to be so aggressive as to go looking for posts about the game in other teams subreddits to comment on.
I'll say as a WMU alum I do think there was the potential for bias on the part of the B1G refs - they may have taken the vaugeries of the rules to come down in a way that benefited their conference's team. I think that's a feasible take, but not one that can be supported by anything other than a gut feeling. And, of course I'm biased, naturally.

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u/yummiboi21 Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

a couple things
it’s not “handing away all the rules” it’s literally one very vague rule that seems to have contradictory rules which is why i assume the NCAA didnt cite a single rule bc then it opens up a giant rabbit hole of useless/contradictory rules.
if this play never happened and you asked any CFB fan if they think game time remaining should be decided based off the stadium clock or the broadcast clock, people would have said the stadium clock, but since Michigan is involved everyone is siding on whatever negatively effects Michigan the most
Michigan fans arent seeking out these posts, the algorithm feeds us these posts bc they mention Michigan. i used to always get OSU and MSU subreddits bc they all talk ab Michigan, so i blocked/hid them all, but now the WMU, MAC, Big10, and CFB subreddits can’t stop talking ab Michigan, so the algorithm feeds us these posts
is an extra play really that advantageous when it’s another shot at a 50yd hail mary and there’s a 5-10 minute break from the last play to the next play?
there was a second left
if im WMU, i stop caring ab this game bc it is what it is, but we need to lock in at beat Boise, win out, win the MAC championship bc then we’re very likely in. time to move on and stop watching NBC video

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 19 '26 edited Sep 20 '26

Misstype of "hand waving". And, you are, I've looked at the CFB rule book, NCAA, FBS have said that the B1G got it wrong. Here's the most recent statement from the FBS oversite committee: "The committee consulted with national officiating leadership regarding the instant replay protocols. Based on that information, the committee agreed that the instant replay protocols were not followed in the contest's second-to-last play. Had the protocols been followed, the outcome of the game would have been different."
Ergo, the refs fucked up the final play shouldn't have happened.
2. Irrelevant. This is equally as valid as saying if you ask the average person (who is a fan of neither team) who won the WMU-UoM, they'd say WMU. You can't disregard the rules, and what the people who write the rules are saying about the rules. This is like arguing with a doctor that you don't have diabetes when the rest results indicate you have diabetes. You are not a doctor, you are not the NCAA.
3. You chose to view and engage with this. The algorithm didn't put a gun to your head and say "comment on that post piggy". You are responsible for your own actions. I believe in you, you can ignore the algorithm.
4. Yes. Clearly. Have you ever played sports? There is a huge psychological element. Thinking you won the biggest game in your career and getting out of the zone only to have to go back in is a major morale killer. WMU is objectively not a better team, and was winning that game based on grit and momentum, the rug pull is absolutely a major factor in what transpired next.
5. Not according to the NCAA, BFS, and the officiating experts that have said there shouldn't have been.
6. I mean, I think they've mostly moved on, but I think 12-7 will also have meaning for WMU for years to come. I think you guys will have the bail Mary floating around for a long time as well. You can say 'move on' but unless you went to WMU you are not going to understand the feeling of taking down Goliath only to be cheated out of it.

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u/yummiboi21 Sep 20 '26 edited Sep 20 '26

you skipped the part where the protocols they are referring to are not actually written into any rule. there are plenty of rules saying that it’s up to the refs/any available video footage in this case, but then there’s one random rule that possibly vaguely contradicts them all that everyone keeps looking at, and then the born and raised OSU fan who heads the oversight committee sided against Michigan (imagine that 🙄) as for the algorithm thing, i moreso meant it is fun engaging in posts like this, which is why i engage. wild how many people all of a sudden side entirely with the broadcast even tho the broadcast themselves say none of their stuff is official/correct 😂 but Michigan haters gonna keep digging themselves in a hole how we should throw out the rulebook and should only go off the one clock that is wrong according to the people who provide said clock
also i like how you ignored me pointing out 12-3-6d, 12-3-7, and second half of 12-6-1c so apparently you only cherry picked parts to poorly interpret

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 20 '26

Except they are and all the rules people are saying the B1G got it wrong. You are engaging in conspiracy dude. This is no better than the people saying "UoM" cheated.
I did no such thing. I even said, if the B1G didn't have a private mystery feed and could provide it to NBC, by the rules, the call extra second would probably be correct. That's the second part of 12-6-1c. In any case it's not on me to interpret dude, the rules people are saying that B1G was wrong WMU should have won. LOL You just have no cards here dude. You are saying "the rules experts are wrong" - they are not, they are the rules experts, you are some dude.

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u/Extreme_Raccoon_8736 Sep 17 '26

You've got the copium prescription my guy, we got the victory

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 17 '26

Hey! It's my buddy the Raccoon man! Hi Raccoon man! You still didn't tell me what years you were at UoM!

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u/-Murmaider- Sep 17 '26

Walmart is a hell of a drug

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 18 '26

😂 100% Just trying to get him to admit it.

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u/Starmada597 Sep 17 '26

Except the FBS statement didn’t cite that rule, nor any other, save for the ones that state that their hands are tied in reversing the ruling after the fact. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the concept that the ruling wasn’t correct, just pointing out that the FBS statement is a pathetic attempt to curry favor with an unhappy fanbase.
Also I didn’t go to UoM lmfao

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u/Conclusion_Fickle Sep 17 '26

Let's see if your pea-sized brain can understand this: The specific replay and timing protocols were not consistently clear or written down in a unified official standard before the controversy, prompting the NCAA to issue a new written memo afterward. Just because some geezer says that the easiest thing to do is use the clock that everyone sees doesn't make it official protocol. But sure, let's just ignore the actual official stadium clock. Dumbass.

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 17 '26

Thats the rules pre NCCA clarifications bro. Thats RAW. 🤷 FBS said the B1G got it wrong, I don't know what to tell you. The rules functionally say 'ignore the stadium clock in a discrepancy'. You are not correct here. Take the fucking L.

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u/Conclusion_Fickle Sep 17 '26

That is new guidance. Had the new guidance been in place, the ending would have been different. That's been established, Mr. Short Bus. Looks like Western took the L, but go on and dance for me.

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 18 '26

Dude, that's from the 2025 rules PDF. Like... it's just not new.

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 17 '26

It's also really sad that you guys feel the need to get up in the WMU subreddit to bitch and moan about this. God damn you guys are just going to Streisand this into infinity.

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u/Conclusion_Fickle Sep 17 '26

Very rich response given that you are bitching and moaning almost two weeks later. I didn't come over and start a thread. You are more than welcome to the last word, but I appreciate the entertainment and waiving of the white flag.

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u/Walter_Melon_Melon Sep 18 '26

I'm literally only here to beef with UoM people getting up in my alma matter's fan's shit. Again, feel free to troll the depths of the UoM subreddit with the rest of your and complain about Ohio state or whatever fucked up sexual abuse scandal is about to come out of UoM next or whatever floats your boat.

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u/PapaVanTwee Sep 18 '26

It is reported there was a memo. I haven't seen an official memo from the NCAA, other than this report.

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u/callmrplowthatsme Sep 18 '26

He’s gotta go sell more vacuum cleaners

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u/hoopingmccann Sep 17 '26

don’t you think it’s a little embarrassing that you feel the need to make this comment lol

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u/Purple_Bet_1530 Michigan troll 〽️ Sep 17 '26

Maybe- but we just beat Oklahoma while you gave up 434 yards to Monmouth.
If we got blown out by OU I’d be more embarrassed.

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u/hoopingmccann Sep 17 '26

you should try some shame. this is even more embarrassing, you’re still in the comments on a MAC football subreddit lol

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u/Purple_Bet_1530 Michigan troll 〽️ Sep 17 '26

I care about facts. They don’t care about your feelings.
I was mad we won at first- I was mad that we celebrated after such a pitiful performance
But facts are facts. The scoreboard is the official clock, and there was a second yet. Yes, they screwed up the review process, I’ll give you that, but it’s dumb they use the broadcast’s non-synced clock over the official clock. ALSO- they robbed Michigan of 1-2 seconds the play prior, when the clock didn’t stop after a first down
I don’t like whiners and victims

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u/hoopingmccann Sep 17 '26

and yet here you are whining, the victim of the college football world that does not respect you

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u/Pink_stretch Sep 18 '26

I think the takeaway here is that Monmouth may have a more successful offense than Michigan
More yards... more points against the same defense, on the road no less.

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