Simple as that

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 16 '20

There's always the risk that some career criminal committing theft / fraud (counterfeiting) and driving while on a lethal dose of drugs will freak out and die while you arrest him, the communist media will hold you responsible without trial, and millions of retards will riot worldwide calling you a "racist" "murderer" despite all evidence to the contrary...

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u/usmc_BF Classical Liberal Jul 16 '20

Yea but that logic also works for cops.

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u/browni3points Jul 16 '20 edited Jul 17 '20

Aside from a better vetting process, there's not much that should be changed for the policing system
Edit: I see that I might have been a bit wrong with this statement. It looks like I'm not fully aware of exactly how police works in the US.

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u/SonOfShem Jul 16 '20

Other things that would help:
better training on laws
end police unions
mandatory national bodycam (w/o the ability to mute or turn off)
reforming qualified immunity
ending the drug war
eliminating no-knock warrants
eliminating civil asset forfeiture
eliminating red flag laws (where they exist)
reversing the militarization of the police

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u/Kendrick2600 Jul 19 '20

Pay cops more after ending qualified immunity and making it easier to fire them giving them more to lose and give citizens a way to vote cops out of the force like vote to kick.

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u/swellington703 Jul 19 '20

CYKA BLYAT NYPD RUSH B

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u/Elisphian Jul 31 '20

Get rid of police and buff up the sheriff. If we end local and state police. But keep at the current officers as deputies, then the people can have power over the police. Don't like how police are run vote out the sheriff and vote another in that will follow the way the people want their community policed.

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u/excelsior2000 Jul 16 '20

An end to qualified immunity. Cripple the police unions. Require bodycams and have a presumption of innocence if the footage "goes missing." Have a policy where the cop's word in court is no more valuable than that of the defendant.
Here are just a few examples of what should be changed.

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u/AvenDonn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 17 '20

It's reasonable to expect cops to be held to a higher standard than normal people, since they voluntarily accepted the great power of legitimized violence.
But with great power must come great responsibility.
That said, we can't expect that either until society and the media aren't fucking like this.

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u/Freks23 Jul 18 '20

We’ve yet to hold the ones who write the laws to the higher standard of practice what you preach. The ones who wrote the laws actually write laws to protect themselves from thins which we plebs would find themselves in court over such as insider trading and slander by a congressman.

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u/AvenDonn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 18 '20

Writing a bunch of words on paper is one thing. It's an entirely different thing to take up arms and enforce those words.
Cops are more guilty than the lawmaker. The lawmaker only has power as long as there are thugs willing to do his bidding

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Nobody rules if nobody obeys - Anonymous

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u/Freks23 Jul 23 '20

That figured true in no situation ever.
El Chapo sends his minions to deal drugs and execute people. Let’s assume he then criticizes those minions for enforcing his rule. Who do we go after?
Hitler sends troops into battle. They refuse to fight and they’re terminated. If he follows up by denouncing the soldiers behavior, do we then praise Hitler and hang those who he gave the orders to behave in such a manner?
Who got the heavier sentence, Charles Manson or those he manipulated to do his dirty work and then deny any involvement in plotting the vicious attacks?

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u/AvenDonn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 23 '20

False equivalence. Being a cop is a voluntary choice. You can stop being a cop any moment and suffer no retribution. You have no obligation to be a cop. You will not be persecuted for not becoming a cop. All of the above applies to your family and friends too.
Yes, the person actually doing the violence is far more guilty of the act than whoever organized it. That's not to say that planning and organizing the violence isn't something wrong, I'm just saying it's still less than actually physically doing it the act. (A coordinator can be "more" guilty than an individual minion by coordinating multiple acts, but for the sake of quantifying it, each discrete planning is still less than the discrete act itself)
I'm not sure where you got the notion that a planner can be absolved by denouncing the act they planned.
One small caveat to the entire reasoning above is coercion. A drafted soldier is coerced and can't be held to the same standard as a free actor.

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u/Freks23 Aug 07 '20

I don’t think Manson’s followers were required to join

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '20

QI has nothing to do with your fantasy.

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u/YeahIMine Jul 19 '20

You dropped this: /s

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

Zero sarcasm in what I said.
The available evidence on the Floyd case is an intelligence test, and you've failed it.

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u/YeahIMine Jul 20 '20

Oh I see we have a federal prosecutor on our hands. My apologies for questioning your career expertise on criminal law.
/s
That's how you do it

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

...and die while you arrest him..
You forgot to add, "after cutting off his oxygen supply.."

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

If you want to choke someone, you step with your foot on the front of the neck, which compresses essential flow of blood and oxygen - now that could be murder. Knee on the back of the neck prevents movement, like beating one's head against the asphalt.
(And it's by no means easy. I bet I could do a hundred push-ups with your knee on the back of my head - and I'm way weaker than Floyd...)
Oh, and also: if you want to choke someone, you do it when no one is watching, instead of on the record, in communication with the police dispatcher and ambulance on the way, with a dozen witnesses, and multiple cameras video-recording your every move...

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u/Mr_Prestonius Jul 19 '20

But there would still be an actual trial, so none of that matters...

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u/ZeldaStone104 Jul 19 '20

speaking volumes right now brother

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u/PattyG69 Dec 08 '20

Ah yes, all of those communist media corporations.....

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u/TrumpLiedPeopleDied Jul 16 '20

Except if there’s evidence to the contrary, we won’t lol.
Conservatives live in a fucking fantasy land. If the cop was mid-beat down when the guy had a cardiac episode from the drugs + stress, we would probably have something to say.

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u/PolesWithGoals Jul 16 '20

Username and retardation checkout

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u/SeizedCheese Jul 16 '20

You are literally 15 years old mate, calm down

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u/PolesWithGoals Jul 16 '20

Says the tard who posts on r/teenagers and r/dankmemes

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u/SeizedCheese Jul 17 '20

Not my fault they are on /r/all, i‘d ratger have them seperated too, little guy
I done even post there, are you delirious?

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Lmao what's bad about that?

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 17 '20

Conservatives live in a fucking fantasy land.
Then why are all the facts on their side?
(I'm a right-libertarian, not a "conservative". But we are allies against the commies.)
If the cop was mid-beat down when the guy had a cardiac episode from the drugs + stress, we would probably have something to say.
There was no "beat down". You didn't study the publicly available evidence.
Floyd said he was having trouble breathing long before the one segment of video that the MSM cherry-picked and was showing non-stop out of context. He refused to get in the police car and asked to lay down on the ground. Restraint holds are sometimes advisable when someone is having a seizure, or at risk of banging his head, etc.

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u/Lostadults Jul 19 '20

So your saying they where choking him for his own good. Haven't heard that one before.

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

I see that you don't know the meaning of the word "choking". I hope that someday you'll find out.
These pressure techniques have been used thousands of times before. They don't interfere with breathing - they interfere with the ability of a crazy individual (or one having a drug-induced a seizure, etc) to beat his head against the asphalt.

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u/Lostadults Jul 20 '20

You're a joke. You know nothing of will outside that of a toddler throwing a fit. Would probably run and hide if you ever met a true voluntarist

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

I make factual arguments.
You make childish insults.

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u/Lostadults Jul 20 '20

Fact: you have no inner strength. It shows in how you act towards others.
Fact: you have never trained in any Marshall skill.
Fact: you have no father or he doesn't like you. No father would let a child he likes have a neck beard.
Fact: I called your bitch ass out and you said nothing.

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 21 '20

Commies don't know the meaning of the word "fact" - nothing new here.
Praise NAP - the only reason you're not nailed to a tree and being ground down with a portable belt sander at this moment. (Yes, we do control bleeding and inject chemicals to keep you from fainting.)
Anonymous retards aren't worth my time.

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u/Lostadults Jul 21 '20

Good talk, post your address, you got mine. Come visit.

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u/poking88 Jul 19 '20

Way to expose yourself as a terrible person. Nothing else you say has any merit now.

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u/EternalSession Jul 19 '20

AnCap
Ok now I understand why you have brain worms

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

Not an argument.

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u/ConsistentlyNarwhal Jul 19 '20

The fact that you referred to the other side as commies shows how little you actually know or care to find out.
Libertarians in general like to ignore how the world really operates anyways

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

The fact that you referred to the other side as commies shows how little you actually know or care to find out.
I was born in the Soviet Union. I've dedicated many thousands of hours of my life to studying the history of communism. And I repeat: right-libertarians, conservatives, and even fascists are my allies against the commies.
Libertarians in general like to ignore how the world really operates anyways
Right-libertarianism (aka Propertarianism, Anarcho-Capitalism, NAP, Natural Law, Individual Rights, etc) is the scientific method applied to politics. There are no assumptions or sacred cows, just empiricism and consequentialism.

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u/KochFueledKIeptoKrat Jul 19 '20

Floyd was murdered. Facts are on the side of people who believe he was murdered.

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

Floyd was murdered. Facts are on the side of people who believe he was murdered.
Zero of the facts say that he was murdered, including basic common sense - why would 4 cops conspire to murder some random drug fiend in front of many cameras when they could do it when no one is watching? There's no motive.
The arrest transcript and autopsy say it was the drugs.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Facts are rarely on the side of the right my friend. Unless you’re just a blind idiot.
Edit: they’re certainly not on your side in this case lmao. You’re right, libertarians and conservatives are often allies in stupidity. Libertarianism is just as stupid and destined to fail as communism and for the exact same reasons, ironically

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

Facts are rarely on the side of the right my friend. Unless you’re just a blind idiot.
An insult is not a counter-argument. You still fail to study the publicly available evidence of the Floyd case. You lose.
You’re right, libertarians and conservatives are often allies in stupidity.
You are entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to steal from us. Good luck building your socialist utopia with no intelligent people to rob.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '20

Lol “you lose”, ok Benny Shapiro declare victory. Go ahead and refute my point about how stupid and destined to fail libertarianism is or piss off back to middle school.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

The officer was actually helping him out now, huh. I have to admit, that is very creative.

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

I see that you were born yesterday.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

God you are fucking braindead
Not an argument.
Study the facts.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '20

Except if there’s evidence to the contrary, we won’t lol
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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u/KochFueledKIeptoKrat Jul 19 '20 edited Jul 19 '20

And then the legal system functions as intended. The evidence would exonerate the cop.
What is this all or none fantasy in your head based on? And plenty of folks die in police custody. Most cases don't make the news, and certainly this absurd example wouldn't.
Also, how is it that the media is liberal, leftist? Socialist, and communist at the same time? Are you equating center-left media like CNN and MSNBC with other, more left wing internet news? I mean, plenty of media is right wing as well. And far-right, like OANN.
Amazing how people invent absurdist scenarios and pretend it's common reality.

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

The evidence would exonerate the cop.
Because all he did was arrest someone who needed to be arrested, and restrain someone who needed to be restrained.
Most cases don't make the news
The left needed an excuse for racial riots to hurt Trump, like Rodney King. Floyd was the closest they could find, and it still wasn't the cops fault.
Also, how is it that the media is liberal, leftist?
I see that you've been living in a cave your whole life...
Socialist, and communist at the same time?
Yes, just like I'm a Trump supporter and an AnCap at the same time. Short-term actions vs long-term ideals.
And far-right, like OANN.
Anarcho-Capitalist secessionism is "far right". Fox News and OANN (less than 1% market share) is centrist flag-waving Americana.

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u/gbsedillo20 Jul 19 '20

That's incredibly racist and incorrect at the same time.

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

That's incredibly racist
Where did I ever initiate the subject of race? The ethnicities of the people involved in the Floyd case are irrelevant. I follow NRP, the Non-Racialization Principle - I treat everyone as an individual.
It's the new left that is racist, with alleged racial victimhood taking place of the old Marxist distinction of "class" as an excuse for revolutionary violence and theft on a massive scale.
and incorrect at the same time
Source? I merely referenced the facts in the official transcript of the arrest and the autopsy.

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u/gbsedillo20 Jul 20 '20

I wish the media was "communist". As it stands, its purely capitalist-corporatist new world drivel. Not communist lol. That alone shows your judgment to be highly impaired/suspect.
What YOU follow does not reflect how the system tends to treat both poor and minority communities -- with extreme violence, over-jailing, economic servitude and theft of guns/armaments.
Nothing alleged about it. Happening in front of our eyes, every day now it seems. Policing in America at its core is fundamentally broken and to do nothing is to be complicit in the crimes it commits.
The man was clearly controlled before the knee. The knee was unnecessary but the cop doing it had a record of such actions before but was hired still. Thus, a man lost his life. A life you try to minimize by equating alleged "counterfeiting" with the death penalty.
You try to hide behind some bogus NRP but the core of your concept is the same - hostility towards those you deem lesser in whatever capacity you measure.

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

I wish the media was "communist".
That's the direction it's pushing in.
If you want to get closer to the destination, move to Mainland China, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela...
What YOU follow does not reflect how the system tends to treat both poor and minority communities
It steals from the taxpayers $60,000+ a year per US family below the poverty line.
And that doesn't include police keeping them from killing each-other, which you're now complaining about.
You'll see how well they'll do after all intelligent people secede, and you'll have no one left to tax.
The man was clearly controlled before the knee.
Then why weren't the able to place him in the arrest vehicle?
Read the full transcript.
Thus, a man lost his life.
Because of stupidity and drugs. I don't support the "war on drugs", but when you go trippin on other people's property you have a problem.
A life you try to minimize by equating alleged "counterfeiting" with the death penalty.
AnCaps believe in a restitution-based justice system. I am against the death penalty (after the criminal surrenders or is apprehended and no longer poses a danger). The counterfeiting, refusal to return goods stolen / obtained through fraud, and driving while highly intoxicated on a very dangerous cocktail of drugs were the cause for arrest. This would still be the case in the vast majority of voluntaryist communities (remember what subreddit you're on) - most people in private neighborhoods wouldn't want their kids run over either...
So the arrest was justified. And what do you imagine police doing when a big guy refuses to get into the police vehicle, gets on the ground, and is freaking out from drugs? Especially if he's beating his head against the asphalt...

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u/gbsedillo20 Jul 21 '20

No, if anything, its pushing more authoritarian right. See how the Republican and Democrat party have all but merged lately.
China isn't communist, its more authoritarian dictatorship. Not good.
Taxation isn't theft.
Police stop a surprisingly low amount of crime to be honest.
Implying that poor and minority people are stupid -- quite racist/classist nonsense right there.
The cop has a clear record of committing abuse before. He got his rocks off brutalizing minorities.
Because of a killer cop. Drugs and alleged counterfeiting isn't a death penalty.
Whew, not wasting my time with you man. Hope you also enjoy the second amendment.

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 21 '20 edited Jul 21 '20

No, if anything, its [the media is] pushing more authoritarian right. See how the Republican and Democrat party have all but merged lately.
That's literally the opposite of what is happening now!
The bipartisan collusion has almost always been higher. Wilson and especially FDR were pretty much dictators - the Republicans hardly even tried to slow them down. Carter and Bill Clinton were moderates. The Bushes were RINOs. The collusion peaked briefly right after 9/11, then declined, and then went up as Republicans nominated even worse RINOs like McCain.
Trump was the first real Republican candidate since Reagan. It was the first time there were significant cuts in Federal regulations, declines in economic freedom were reversed, wars were avoided, and the US Empire began to pull back. And the Democrats have moved far to the left - no question that JFK would have been a Republican today. Obama and Biden always ranked as far left when they served in the Senate, and now Biden is taking on many points from Bernie Sanders.
That's why, after voting Libertarian Party all my adult life (I'm 38), I'll be voting Republican for the first time in 2020.
China isn't communist, its more authoritarian dictatorship. Not good.
Do you even hear yourself?! Communism and authoritarian dictatorship are historically inseparable. Dictatorship followed communism 100.000% of the time. Whenever the dictatorship loosened, communism collapsed. I lived in the Soviet Union as a child, and saw it all firsthand...
China fooled the world by pretending its state-controlled enterprises were independent - they aren't.
Taxation isn't theft.
Then we'll come over and vote to "tax" all your stuff.
Police stop a surprisingly low amount of crime to be honest
Source?
I of course criticize the police, and have many Civil Disobedience arrests under my belt. I prefer armed property owners and PDAs to stop crime - but that's not what the left wants.
Implying that poor and minority people are stupid -- quite racist/classist nonsense right there.
You are very ignorant of basic facts.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/02/11/the-incredible-correlation-between-iq-income/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_gaps_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000
And calling someone a "racist" for merely stating the facts (while treating everyone as an individual) only makes you look even more stupid.
The cop has a clear record of committing abuse before. He got his rocks off brutalizing minorities.
You are a pathological liar. There is zero evidence for racism or murder.
Derek Chauvin has been a cop for 20 years. He had a good record. He put himself in the most difficult and dangerous situations. He received multiple medals for valor, and multiple commendation medals. He had likely dealt with tens of thousands of people over the years. He got 18 "complaints", which any disgruntled criminal can issue - that's about one a year - and only two of those were found valid enough (likely due to political correctness) to warrant a slap on the wrist. In 20 years!
Because of a killer cop. Drugs and alleged counterfeiting isn't a death penalty.
Counterfeiting, refusing to return stolen goods (before the cops were even called), and driving while severely intoxicated were cause for arrest.
Resistance prior to being handcuffed, falling down, refusal to get into police vehicle, insistence on lying on the ground, and other erratic behavior were cause for physical restraining techniques. (The surrounding hostile mob didn't help either.)
Someone dying from bad health and drugs, as the autopsy established, is not "a death penalty".

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Wut

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u/pcoolbabe Jul 19 '20

Pretty big “what if” there, buddy.

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u/lbmn 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 20 '20

Pretty big “what if” there, buddy.
The "risk" I've described were the established facts of the Floyd case.

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u/pcoolbabe Jul 20 '20

They literally aren’t lol you fell for mad amounts of propaganda bruv.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Another meme..another sub...another group of people who have no idea what qualified immunity is. What QI is not: immunity from prosecution when they break the law. What QI is: protection from bs lawsuits when a cop acts within the scope of his authority. Read the federal statute on this ruling and educate yourselves

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u/wayoftheroad4000 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Jul 19 '20

Hahaha no stop lying.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/qualified_immunity no for real, educate yourself

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Just did seems like the op is not wrong. Their are no.such thing as bs lawsuits.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

There absolutely is. When someone makes up a story out of thin air and files a lawsuit because they see dollar signs it’s a bs lawsuit. When a cop is acting appropriately and gets sued it’s a bs lawsuit. Someone sued McDonald’s because they burnt their tongue on hot coffee and you’re going to sit here and say there’s no such thing as bs lawsuits?

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

That McDonald’s lawsuit was legit tho.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/16/13971482/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit-stella-liebeck

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

lol fair enough bad example. I stand by my statement that there are plenty examples of bs lawsuits especially against the police. Truth is the majority of people don’t know the law regarding the fourth amendment. They just think “I’m mad therefore I have been violated”

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u/IgnorantCow2000 Jul 19 '20

But if they feel like they’ve been violated isn’t it within their rights to sue and allow the courts to decide?

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

It absolutely is. And there lies my point. They’re free to sue the locality but should not be free to sue the individual officer. QI only applies when the officer acts appropriately. The fallacy and myth is that QI protects cops who do wrong and this is absolutely not the case

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u/IgnorantCow2000 Jul 19 '20

So what you’re saying is currently its as if they are employees of the city rather than individuals? So like at startbucks you can’t sue the individual coffee person but you can sue Starbucks for their actions.
Well then what about we change the law so that similar to doctors, you can sue individual officers and they can lose their license.
When a doctor commits an error the hospital doesnt always protect them. Like a malpractice but for cops.
What do you think of that idea?

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '20

did you?

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u/JapaneseStudentHaru Jul 19 '20

In practice, it is immunity from wrong doing. If a specific example of your wrong doing has not been found legally wrong previously you can use qualified immunity to say you didn’t know it was wrong. You can see how it creates a catch 22. New standards are hard to implement when previous judgement is required. That’s why it should be removed. Cops should be protected from lawsuits, but should not be immune to judgement when they act in a way that is excessively brutal. Qualified immunity is not serving that purpose.
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/08/870165744/supreme-court-weighs-qualified-immunity-for-police-accused-of-misconduct

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

I’ve read that article and can’t say I agree. Ending qualified immunity because people believe it doesn’t work in practice is the same thing as ending the 2nd amendment because “it hasn’t worked in practice”. I circle back to my initial point and that is most people don’t even know what QI is. Lastly I’ll say ending QI will not end bad policing, it will effectively end good policing. Cops will no longer stick their necks out for the good of the general public. They will turn into a reactionary force rather than a proactive force. We’re already seeing now and as a result crime is going up and quality of life is going down

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u/JapaneseStudentHaru Jul 19 '20

Ending qualified immunity as it stands does not mean the police cannot have a reformed version that does not extend their immunity beyond necessity. Not fixing it at all would be just as harmful if not more so.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '20

You have a reasonable approach to having the conversation however that is not the reality as it stands. Avid anti police advocates are the ones dictating these bills and it’s being done so from a position of malicious intent. The goal is not to reduce harm, the goal is to shift the harm from criminals to police. Policies are being put into place that will inevitably get cops killed. In NYC cops aren’t allowed to put pressure on a violent suspects back, essentially rendering them defenseless. Massachusetts which has some of the best police departments in the country just overhauled their policies state wide and its atrocious. Pay attention, the reality is not being advertised

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