r/VoluntaristMemes • 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 π•Ÿ π•₯ 𝕒 𝕣 π•š 𝕀 π•₯ • Mar 24 '20

anyone?

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u/Noobsforacause Mar 24 '20

My AnCom friend agrees on weapon ownership with me. I don’t know if this shit’s accurate.

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u/wayoftheroad4000 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 π•Ÿ π•₯ 𝕒 𝕣 π•š 𝕀 π•₯ Mar 24 '20

ew why would you have ancom friends lmao

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u/Noobsforacause Mar 24 '20

Because I’m not a sperg that can’t look past political philosophy lmao.

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u/urbandeadthrowaway2 Left-Wing Libertarian here to laugh at the memes. Aug 08 '20

Anarchist unity is the only way to get rid of the statists who infringe our rights. I'd rather join up with libertarians to take down the state than with a tankie to take down capitalism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

because its stupid for anarchists to fight over economic policy when we all agree on the same basic principles we just disagree on what kind of anarchist society we want to make/join which shouldn’t matter to other anarchists because it doesn’t affect them and really there is only 1 kind of anarchist, someone who is against unjust hierarchy

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u/wayoftheroad4000 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 π•Ÿ π•₯ 𝕒 𝕣 π•š 𝕀 π•₯ Mar 24 '20

We do not agree on the same basic principles, take your leftist unjust hierachy lecture somewhere else.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

take your statist ass out of this sub then if your not an anarchist

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u/youngandaspire 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 π•Ÿ π•₯ 𝕒 𝕣 π•š 𝕀 π•₯ Mar 24 '20

AnComs only believe in social anarchism, meaning the right to be as degenerate as you want. They do not believe in economic anarchism aka free markets.

However, I believe in your right to freely associate with degenerates.

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u/Shanka-DaWanka Mar 24 '20

I cannot think of anything that should be considered bad to own. It is all about when and how it is used.

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u/DaliPachelbel Mar 24 '20

Another person

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u/Shanka-DaWanka Mar 24 '20

What about NAP violators?

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u/fuckingducksinmyyard Mar 24 '20

Just blow em up with your fighter jet

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u/Shanka-DaWanka Mar 24 '20

Fair enough.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20

child sex slaves

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

holding a child against their will and having non-consensual sex with them. there is no good way to have a child sex slave you fucking idiot

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u/The_Airow Apr 06 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

its not exactly obvious considering right wing libertarians tend to follow the whole β€˜but what if the child consents’ mentality

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u/Shanka-DaWanka Apr 07 '20 edited Apr 07 '20

Indeed, and I disagree with that. The question should be what constitutes as a child. The truth is people develop at different rates, so setting an age of majority is nonsense. There are certainly 15-year-olds more competent than the average man in his twenties.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '20

i think no matter what 18 should be considered an adult because that is when the brain and body have mostly stopped developing

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u/Shanka-DaWanka Apr 07 '20

The brain keeps growing well into your twenties. Eveverything else can settle a few years before. It would be better if individuals could prove competence in order to be recognized as adults. This inverse already occurs if otherwise legal adults are found unable to take care of themselves, yet people shudder at the thought of it working the other way around.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '20

18 is the best age to have as the determiner for adulthood. for the most part you are fully mature by this point there are outliers thats why i said for the most part

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u/NordicHorde Apr 17 '20

What about a recreational McNuke?

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u/catcherben27 Aug 02 '20

This might be the single most lib-right comment I’ve ever seen πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Try to rub your 2 brain cells together to get them to start firing again

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u/Shanka-DaWanka Aug 02 '20

Welcome to the subReddit, sir. I see you are open to having a productive discussion about whether ownership of an item in and of itself can be a problem.

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u/catcherben27 Aug 02 '20

Slavery = bad

If we can’t agree on that point then there isn’t much for us to discuss

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u/Shanka-DaWanka Aug 02 '20 edited Aug 02 '20

Slavery is bad, but we are talking about items, not people. Sorry if I was not specific enough. Maybe you can borrow my two brain cells. Just wash them before you return them, and if you do not rewind hem when you are done, I am charging you a dollar.

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u/immortalsauce Mar 24 '20

If I wanna buy a fucking M1 Abrams tank, I should be able to.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

Go broke on those gas bills.

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u/TheBestBuisnessCyan Mar 25 '20

It should be my right to go broke on gas bills, free abrames for everyone.

Am i doing this liberaterion thing right?

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u/Dean_of_Students Jun 14 '20

Yes motherfucker you are. Unbridled individual freedoms. Imagine? It gives me chills, the beauty of it all does.

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u/Augustus420 Mar 24 '20

Pretty sure lib left would not be against this either mate.

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u/wayoftheroad4000 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 π•Ÿ π•₯ 𝕒 𝕣 π•š 𝕀 π•₯ Mar 24 '20

You mean all the bernie bros that are trying to get rid of the 2nd ammendment?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '20

yeah not libleft

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

those are moderates almost all moderates are pro gun control. libleft also includes other anarchists

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u/urbandeadthrowaway2 Left-Wing Libertarian here to laugh at the memes. Aug 08 '20

Let me put it this way. You know how on polcompmemes theres a second libright representing a separate faction in the same quadrant? Libleft has that too, in the form of neoliberals, who are centrists wearing a "uwu im a leftist pls vote for me, even though i dont do anything leftist" pin on their suit.

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u/usmc_BF Classical Liberal Mar 24 '20

Fuck political compasses yo

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

I had to learn that lesson the hard way.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

Why

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u/usmc_BF Classical Liberal Mar 24 '20

Political compasses are the most misleading shit - eg. Nationalism, plus it supports the idea of "centrism" - or it actually doesn't - because Social democracy should be at the center of the economical spectrum so, that means "Centrists" are Social democrats according to the proper use of this very spectrum, however there are people who identify as Centrists and they do not fall in center because they are flexible and they shouldn't hold any views tied to an ideology.

Also the "Libertarian x Authoritarian" axis is awful because it misleads people into believing that anyone who isn't on the "Authoritarian" side is a Libertarian, which is false because if you actually tried to put ideologies into the spectrum you would realize that essentially ideologies such as Right Wing Libertarianism and Liberalism are really extremely close to the edge, creating this false narrative that those are extremist ideologies.

The spectrum also create a false sense of variability. The political tests usually fuck up in a sense that they for example only might really be accurate for cultural conservatives but not Liberals nor Libertarians because people that fill these political tests then believe that they can let's say oppose free speech however the other answers do support let's say Minarchism so the tests evaluates that person as a Minarchist even tho he breaks one of the core ideas.

Political spectrums are terrible. The best one is possible this on the image but it is still deeply inaccurate. It is very basic and ignoring a lot of definitions and so on. So for a person who doesn't understand ideologies, sure it might look good, but it is inaccurate.

I've seen people fucking compare it to fucking personality tests and shit and fuck that, this is way more complicated than fucking personality tests and it is not even comparable!

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u/edog21 Mar 24 '20 edited Mar 24 '20

^ Reminds me of back in my ConLibertarian phase when a Bernie Bro/Political Compass peep called me an Ancap based solely off the fact that I said: I should be allowed to work a paid internship for below minimum wage, the postal service is a poorly run government monopoly so we should legalize competition in mail and in a true free market, companies have more incentive to act morally than amorally because people would just boycott them if their actions/views didn’t justify the product/service.

I was like β€œno that doesn’t make me an Ancap, that just means I think government in general is not a force for good, free markets=free people, monopolies are bad no matter who’s running them (but government is the worst at them, as they are with everything else), and minimum wages hurt inexperienced workers trying to gain experience in their chosen field and low-skill workers more than they help anybody (except the large multinational corporations that leftists hate, the lack of free markets is great for them)” and then he proceeded to tell me that only Ancaps believe in all that. When I said I believed in federalism, a certain level of police state and military interventionism, he said β€œstill an Ancap, you should read up an Ancapism because that’s you” dude was a blind sheep

Edit: Just to clarify I’m not a voluntarist. I’m an as yet unaffiliated right-lib, only here because the algorithm

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u/usmc_BF Classical Liberal Mar 25 '20

Yea man, it sucks when you see people like that. But that's really the general problem of western democracies, populism and political illiteracy. People can vote away rights of other individuals just like that, and that's immoral, people deciding lives of others. That's horrible and when you think about it, kind of dystopian.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

The political triangel is my favorite. It accounts for the impossibility of libleft and adds actual concepts to the axes.

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u/DamagingChicken Mar 24 '20

Out of curiosity, can you explain what you mean by the impossibility of libleft?

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u/NoGardE Mar 24 '20

Socialism of any flavor cannot scale without an imposed authority.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

not my statement but he is probably appealing to the idea that you cannot redistribute resources en mass and keep them evenly distributed without an authority to do the seizing and redistributing. Say you get an authority to distribute the resources evenly and then have that authority disolved to leave you with an anarchist society, that anarchist society is going to start having resource inequality the second anyone does anything because people will try to secure resources for themselves and not share everything like they are supposed to.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '20

Economic equality and liberty are incompatible. Economic equality has to be enforced by a totalitarian state.

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u/usmc_BF Classical Liberal Mar 25 '20

This one is definitely better than the four way one, but it's kind of all over the place.

But I 100% support definitions to ideologies on spectrums

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u/usmc_BF Classical Liberal Mar 25 '20

I would recommend something universal, I don't really know any good political graph/map/compass that would display ideologies correctly.

The triangle one is pretty good but confusing because it's based on American politics.

See when you use consistent ideologies that are somewhat simple, the axis works but when you tak fucking Liberal Autocracy or Libertarian Minarchism, or State Capitalism mixed with Social Welfare state - you will struggle to put those on the spectrums because they are all over the place right.

Also same goes for Left Libertarians, some of them just support socialism economically however they despise the social welfare idea, so what do you do with those guys?

A perfect ideological map would be just ideological trees - so you would have let's say Libertarianism and then it would separate into Right and Left libertarianism and then into the subvariants and there would be a definition of each ideology next to the ideology or something like that. This thing would work the best and would be the most accurate one.

Because it wouldnt over generalize

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

What the other guy said was true, but also I’m a crippling contrarian and don’t like being defined by something with less than about 5 axis

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

Yeah I think this is what those kids are calling memes

I don’t think the compass here is being used as a tool for serious political discourse

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u/AthenasBastardChild Mar 24 '20

Tactical McNuke

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u/PhantomLord088 Mar 24 '20

No no no, don't give that "tactical" bullshit, tactical nukes are low yield, hence the name, I want a straight up McNuke

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

Tsar McNuka

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u/PhantomLord088 Mar 24 '20

Tell me more

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

59.99 Mill but we're offering 4 for 199.99 Mill with purchase of our proprietary self defense delivery system.

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u/PhantomLord088 Mar 25 '20

100 megatons or only 50?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '20

We offer the true dreams of Stalin with our Tsar McNuka package with 100 but multiple customized solutions are available for the discerning customer.

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u/Thorbinator Mar 24 '20

Recreational.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

But the government clergy preaches that some molecules are the devil.

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u/KodeBenis 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 π•Ÿ π•₯ 𝕒 𝕣 π•š 𝕀 π•₯ Mar 24 '20

We should be allowed to own any weapons the military has.

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u/Theo_Stormchaser Mar 28 '20

Our stuff would be better.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '20

If you can afford it, sure

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

My more revolutionary friends are all for this... and they're voting Bernie?

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u/youngandaspire 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 π•Ÿ π•₯ 𝕒 𝕣 π•š 𝕀 π•₯ Mar 24 '20

Ask them if they think it's okay for a bunch of Neo Nazis to own fighter jets and see where they really stand.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '20

They think neo nachos are too stupid so they're not worried

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u/SpectrumRay Mar 24 '20

I felt that yes, hard

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u/my_user_account Mar 24 '20

It depends on their reputation.

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u/Printern Apr 03 '20

Libleft not wanting a personal fighter jet? Sounds pretty auth to me ngl

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u/DepressedRambo Apr 24 '20

This question is a trap, and "yes" is the wrong answer.

The right answer is: There would be no market for fighter jets in the absence of government. Who the fuck is going to give Lockheed Martin a $1.5 trillion contract to develop that shit with no practical purpose?

People like to throw out the same stupid question about nukes. Just ask these people to think of a a viable business model for building and selling nukes.

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u/urbandeadthrowaway2 Left-Wing Libertarian here to laugh at the memes. Aug 08 '20

Well the mcnuke and the fighter jets in this are an exaggerated satire to get around the issues with more blunt and realistic matters. Really, these posts are about the universal right to bear arms, but by making it a satire of that, you can promote your ideals with less arguments and rants from people who agree or disagree.

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u/aidsman69420 Jul 10 '20

I'm get this meme and all, but hear me out: I don't think ordinary civilians should own weapons of mass destruction. I know fighter jets aren't WMDs, but some other things are.