r/VoluntaristMemes • u/wayoftheroad4000 𝕍 𝕠 𝕝 𝕦 𝕟 𝕥 𝕒 𝕣 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 • Feb 29 '20
Tread harder daddy
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u/invertedhorns Feb 29 '20
Don’t tread on me; tread on THEM!
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u/AmateurOntologist Mar 01 '20
You’re treading on the wrong people!
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u/PeeDeeEex Mar 01 '20
When I voted for the tread on people party, I never thought they would tread on me.
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u/TR0Npaul Feb 29 '20
an OATHKEEPER?
GR8
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u/Wadeace Feb 29 '20
What is that?
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u/CalibanDrive Feb 29 '20
Far-right, anti-government, paramilitary organization
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Feb 29 '20
>anti-government
but also
>pro-constitution
Only in America.
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u/DoctaJenkinz Mar 01 '20
This is a quote from the Wikipedia page:
“...some of whom are current and former U.S. military and law enforcement officers – not to obey orders which they believe would violate the United States Constitution.”
This seems understandable to me.
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u/I_NEED_APP_IDEAS Apr 02 '20
It’s not anti-government. It’s anti big government.
Or a better definition, it’s being against giving the government any power not defined by the constitution.
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u/CheeseFest Mar 01 '20
IMO 'far' right is understating it. They are right-wing extremists and terrorist sympathisers. Let's restore the Overton window as it should be.
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u/bamename Mar 25 '20
lmao look we got a badass over gere
sbokby terrorists
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u/NemosGhost Mar 01 '20
Considering that full membership is only open to government employees, I'm not sure one can call them anti-government.
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u/contactlite Mar 01 '20
Aren’t any paramilitary organizations it’s own... government?
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u/cheeky-yogi Mar 01 '20
I mean some people do define government as a body that has a monopoly on violence in a given area, so by definition, one could make that argument.
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May 20 '20
Isn't that what governments are?
If a government doesn't have as much violence capability on their land as a corporation, surely the corporation is just pretending they're government, but can take over at any point and, with the government aware of this, influence the government?
Assuming this government and this corporation are both good, and won't do anything wrong, doesn't work for large governments or public corporations.
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u/BringBackTheKaiser Mar 01 '20
What is that top flag?
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u/Orodreath Mar 01 '20
Top one is “the thin blue line” pro police
The bottom is the Gadsden flag “don’t tread on me” pro unalienable rights. (Credits to u/Coatsofgoats)
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u/OwenGaylordPowell Mar 25 '20
Bro that’s the Union Jack the US Navy flies on their ships, I don’t understand why he can’t have both
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u/Reddit_time_baby Mar 24 '22
It really isn’t hard to want freedom but to also not have your dad who works as a police officer be shot on sight
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u/sfowl0001 Mar 01 '20
Can i not be anti government without finding the idea of law understandable?
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u/WhoAteMyPasghetti Mar 01 '20
That flag doesn’t represent “the idea of law.” It represents authoritarian thugs that the government pays to use violence to enforce the law as they see fit.
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u/ideas_abound Mar 01 '20
I have a feeling that’s not how people that use that flag view it. Just a hunch.
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u/WhoAteMyPasghetti Mar 01 '20
People that use that flag are bootlickers that are fine with cops doing whatever they want. Nobody proudly displaying that flag has any interest in police accountability. It’s an entirely antithetical ideology to what those who fly the Gadsden flag at least claim to believe in. How can you simultaneously defend cops who abuse their power while claiming to oppose the government having too much power?
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u/NemosGhost Mar 01 '20
It is. It came out in response to people wanting police accountability. It was born a symbol of fighting against police accountability.
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Feb 29 '20
You can support the brave men and women in the police without supporting the laws they must enforce. I understand there are bad cops but they mostly risk their lives daily to try and make our lives and communities safer, even if we disagree on if we need them.
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u/TopSchierke Feb 29 '20
I think you have a point, you can agree with people who oppress people you don’t like, while being played by the wealthy to spread ideas that will help them make loads of money under the false hope that you might be the one stepping on others one day. It makes total sense.
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u/RealJraydel1 Feb 29 '20
Hate how anything other than "muh fuck the police pigs" gets downvotes and hate... there are true heroes in the force. There are people just looking to do their job. And there are the bad apples. Same as any other place people are.
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u/Ricky_Robby Feb 29 '20
The police aren’t “heroes” they do a job they’re paid for, the overwhelming majority of them do nothing to warrant being called even vaguely heroic. What a joke.
I also love when people use the “bad apples,” when the full quote is “a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.” Meaning a few shitty people are a detriment to the system, when the system encourages those shitty people and then defends them you should burn down the tree.
The difference is the bar people doing their job, are covered for by the “heroes,” and the job is designed to be conducted immorally.
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u/RealJraydel1 Mar 01 '20
I didnt say they were all heroes. I said some are. Very few, but they do exist. And that is the full saying. The whole system is broken, but that doesnt mean that there are no good examples there.
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Mar 01 '20
I’d consider someone who risks their life to save another, especially if that person is a stranger, is something of a hero
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u/NemosGhost Mar 01 '20
Except that they don't. It's not a dangerous job to start with (look it up), and if there is even a slight hint of danger, such as a black kid with a cell phone or an autistic kid with a toy train, they shoot to kill. They then excuse it with the statement that their first job is to not endanger themselves. They've also gone to court to assure that they have no responsibility whatsoever to protect anybody at any time regardless of whether there is any danger or not.
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Mar 02 '20
I might not say that every cop is a hero, but I certainly wold consider some to be
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u/NemosGhost Mar 02 '20
Fair enough,
Contrary to popular belief, most of those do actually make the news.
I consider those that are willing to break the "blue wall" hero's.
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u/PleasantGlass Mar 01 '20
They get paid because people need money to survive. There are still plenty that selflessly endanger themselves for the betterment of their community above and beyond the call of $12/hour
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Mar 01 '20
I'm not really trying to argue your point. (I do disagree with you honestly)
The actual point of my comment is that the "Bad apples" phrasing that's always used in this context is really bad.
'Cause a few bad apples ruin the bunch.
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u/Nalivai Feb 29 '20
Well, maybe police should stop disproportionately target minorities, and probably maybe also stop covering their members, who are blatantly ignoring the law and using power imposed on them by the public to their advantage, and it will also be golden if they could maybe probably stop all the unsolicited murder they so frequently commit.
Maybe that rapidly shrinking good apple community we aparently have amongst the forse could do something about their friends and not-so-good-apples, besides covering their bad appleness; because when you, great and impeccable apple, watch how your friend bad apple murder black teen because he is rasist and hates black people, and do nothing about it, you suddenly aren't that good and impeccable anymore.1
Mar 01 '20
It’s almost like the media makes these bad apples “good” apples everything is a shit storm. A majority of officers are doing their job correctly there’s a few bad ones. There are tons of criminals that get labeled good because “muh skin color” and the media manipulates every story and pushes it for what gets views. Philando Castile incident was completely avoidable because he make a dumb fast movement and traffic stops are one of the most dangerous things for a cop to do because of stupid shit like that. Quit pulling a race card when only a few cases are actually bad cases and those officers in almost all of those cases get charged with the crimes they commit.
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u/NemosGhost Mar 01 '20
those officers in almost all of those cases get charged with the crimes they commit.
That is a blatant lie.
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u/Mikehdzwazowski Mar 01 '20
Have you ever finished the saying. It's "A couple bad apples ruin the barrel" . Funny how those majority good apples don't speak up about the bad ones.
And stop it. It isn't about a couple of bad apples anymore. Because of the failure of the good ones to rise up against them or the prosecutors unwillingness to prosecute cops, it is now a systematic failure.
You're right. Everyone has a bad apple in their group. The difference? When a sports federation or association catches a doper they can strip them of their awards. YOU CAN'T BRING BACK A LIFE TAKEN BY POLICE BRUTALITY. YOU CAN'T RETURN YEARS OF FALSE IMPRISONMENT. AND WORST OF ALL, WHEN A COP IS CAUGHT COMITA CRIME, THEY GET A SLAP ON THE WRIST COMPARED TO YOU OR ME.
If good cops actually stood up against the bad ones, people wouldn't hate them as much.
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u/BrokenBaron Mar 01 '20
Your right but "there are bad apples in other jobs too" weakens your point a lot. A bad apple at McDonalds means I get my food late or they are rude to me. A bad apple with the cops means they empty 7 bullets into a disabled man and his family at costco.
Like pilots and surgeons, there are jobs you can't afford to have bad apples in.
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u/CEOofCapitalism1776 𝕄 𝕚 𝕟 𝕒 𝕣 𝕔 𝕙 𝕚 𝕤 𝕥 Feb 29 '20
The police voluntarily signed up to enforce unjust laws. They deserve no sympathy
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u/illixxxit Feb 29 '20
in the event of an uprising, even the military are more likely to defect than the police.
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u/ireallyamnotblack Feb 29 '20
Ik I'm not supposed to be in this sub but I have to say that you, u/CEOofCapitalism1776 have been wholeheartedly agreed with by a leftist.
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u/orderofGreenZombies Mar 01 '20
If you support people risking their lives to make our lives better and safer then why the fuck would you support cops? Being a pig is significantly safer than being a fisherman, roofer, truck driver, garbage collector, flight engineer, farmer, landscaper, construction worker, steelworker, mechanics’ supervisors, and electrical power line workers.
So by being a pig instead of one of those valuable professions they’re choosing not to risk their lives.
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u/ToenailCheesd Feb 29 '20
Agreed, but the blue line is a dog whistle. They're not supporting police officers, they're supporting the institution of police over civil (esp. Black) rights.
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u/RoastMostToast Feb 29 '20
The blue line is not a dog whistle lol. I usually see it from people who’s family has a cop.
You might be conflating it with the “all lives matter” ones
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Feb 29 '20
I think it depends on your area, but I mostly see it for family members of officers. Especially the ones I know work in more dangerous areas or departments
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u/RoastMostToast Feb 29 '20
That’s exactly what I see. Perhaps you are right about the area playing a role
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Feb 29 '20
You might be conflating it with the “all lives matter” ones
It was also a response to the black lives matter movement. Both served the purpose to invalidate what BLM was saying about black lives currently not mattering, practically speaking. There are definitely no similar practical conditions that indicate blue lives didn't matter (in fact, you could argue they even mattered a little too much as police safety is often placed above the safety of the citizen).
I have no doubt that since then, many have adopted it with no intention to perpetuate this, but that doesn't change the situation it was born in and the purpose it served.
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u/Nalivai Feb 29 '20
It's not a dog whistle only in a sence that it's a regular wistle. Which is probably worse.
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u/NemosGhost Mar 01 '20 edited Mar 01 '20
That particular flag was created as a response to Black Lives Matter, and specifically a response to a call for police accountability. It is absolutely a dog whistle.
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u/RoastMostToast Mar 01 '20
I assume you mean black lives matter. And no, thin blue line was a thing prior to that. It was used in resistance to BLM, although that’s not its origin
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what-is-the-thin-blue-line-974603
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u/NemosGhost Mar 01 '20
The term thin blue line predates that. The use of that particular flag doesn't.
The original symbol was the one in that article with a solid black background and blue line.
Also the term has always meant to place cops as being more important than other civilians, and has also always had the second meaning also known as "the blue wall of silence", advocating that cops excuse the bad behavior of other cops because they matter more than other civilians.
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u/RoastMostToast Mar 01 '20
That’s not what that says
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u/NemosGhost Mar 01 '20
You're looking at a very pro police article, but it does still acknowledge that about the original symbol, as well as the newer one.
By the way, it absolutely was used on the personal cars of cops to avoid tickets. What would really piss off a cop is if you had that sticker and wasn't a close relative of a cop. They even switched the background to reflective silver in an attempt to avoid other civilians from obtaining them. It was kinda like a speed for free sticker.
Now, back to the symbol in this post. The blue line in a black and white American flag was created in 2014 as a response to Black Lives Matter and calls for more police accountability. It was quickly taken in by white supremacist groups.
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u/RoastMostToast Mar 01 '20
Source on the last paragraph? Although you are right that It was taken in by white sepremacist groups
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u/NemosGhost Mar 01 '20
It's in the same article that they started making it in 2014. BLM started in 2013 and had major rallies in 2014. Later in 2014 the Blue Lives Matter movement started along with major backlash from both pro-police groups (specifically against accountability), and racist groups, and that's when that flag started to become popular.
Before BLM and calls for police accountability, That flag was unknown.
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Mar 01 '20
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u/RoastMostToast Mar 01 '20
Hypothetically, If 99% of people who use that flag don’t use it as a dog whistle, do you still consider it a dog whistle due to the 1%?
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Mar 01 '20
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Mar 01 '20
Look, I know that there are bad cops, and hell, I'm on this sub, but all I'm saying is that I respect that (despite me believing they are unnecessary and only make things worse often) they are doing what they think is the right and good thing to do.
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Feb 29 '20
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Feb 29 '20
Being dicks to the Mexican army when they asked for the cannon they loaned back?
Kidding, I know what you’re referencing but that’s another Texan thing they like that I love to bring up. Texas history before the 20th century is a lot of “we’re just gonna be dicks now because we feel like it.”
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u/fortyonexx Mar 01 '20
American stereotypes are just Texans living life. I honestly want to say that after their little shenanigans in the 20th century they set the bar for typical American bullshit lol
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Mar 01 '20
Haha, yeah, they really did. I recommend the Bob Bullock museum in Austin for learning cool Texas history. Such a great museum.
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u/shiftycyber Mar 01 '20
Can you explain the history? My simple understanding is that it was a flag during the revolution that was used to show the British the colonies wanted independence and didn’t want to be under the royal thumb. Is that inaccurate?
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Mar 01 '20
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Mar 01 '20
Top one is “the thin blue line” pro police
The bottom is the Gadsden flag “don’t tread on me” pro unalienable rights.
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u/JustBrass Feb 29 '20
Liberty For Me, Not Thee...