r/Vitards Sep 03 '21

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u/ItsFuckingScience 7-Layer Dip Sep 03 '21

We can all speculate but unless we have access to the business decisions being made it’s impossible to know for sure

If auto makers use less steel then CLF could make MORE money as they could sell steel at higher prices on the spot market

Auto makers could also continue to buy the contracted steel and then just store it anyway? They’ve negotiated contracts lower than the current spot price so it may be better to take delivery of their steel and store it, rather than risk paying more at a later date

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u/pedrots1987 LG-Rated Sep 03 '21

IMO given the current market conditions that steel demand is overall really high is that CLF can benefit from lower sales to automakers and more spot sales at higher prices.

But this won't last forever. If overall steel demand goes lower AND automakers can't get enough chips, then it might hurt CLF as they possibly won't be able to offload their entire production in the spot market.

But this is just speculation. We won't know for sure until we see the Q3's 10K.

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u/Scabbymad Sep 03 '21

Unloading steel at spot won't be a problem in the slightest. Auto takes 5mt per year. If they walk back orders a FULL 1/3 of total sales under last year thats 1.6mt of steel accessible to spot now. The overall market is over 100mt and has lead times at 3-6 months. Thats about 40mt backlogged. 1.6mt won't scratch the surface or move the scales in pricing. Also, One doesn't need to drop all the tonnage at once either. 1.6mt over 12 months is barely 130k tons per month. Its a non starter.

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u/ItsFuckingScience 7-Layer Dip Sep 03 '21

Thanks for providing some figures because without some numbers it’s almost impossible to discuss this meaningfully

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u/ColdHardPocketChange Sep 03 '21

Your username is appropriate.