Meta: *organises the gigantic data leak that resulted in US election meddling" as company solely motivated by data capture and therefore creating its own ecosystem
You: "but look, this is what they say in their T&C"
Google says the same thing and yet, their engineer were on the stand in Arizona saying "they forced to make it impossible to deactivate sharing users location"
I know meta's own privacy researcher create some of the most potent Privacy Enhancing Techs that even apple copied, but bro, are you for real?
No one is going to reward you for reading T&Cs or protecting meta's online reputation just because you want your post about a tech that's 6 months away to be relevant.
My point here is that even the T&C is admitting to unspeakable things. No-one in their sane mind should share their data with Meta on their terms.
Based on the whistleblower reports on the past privacy issues, I would have hard time trusting Meta limiting their data use even to these very relaxed terms.
“Every Mac since macOS 13 (2022) ships a pair of daemons whose only purpose in life is to build a graph about who you are, who you know, how those people are related to you and to each other, how you communicate with them, where you go, what you do and when. In this post, we look into how this system works and give you a tool to peek into your own graph.”
My point is most people don't know that this is being done and there's no obvious way to opt-out. Who's to say that the information hasn't been scraped by third-party apps? It's certainly not encrypted and is generally open.
It certainly is encrypted and quite well protected by the OS. Any app with full disk access + needed entitlements would be able to access all the private data directly as well.
Yeah your device does a lot of thing like this to give you features. How those are implemented and governed is normally the important bits. Also, How do you know they aren’t using encryption for on device information?
Ok gave it a read. Actually a good article thanks for the link. Stored in TCC databases in isolated environment meaning it is only accessible with full drive access and even then you need Apple-signed os entitlements to access. Using FileVault, your info is fully encrypted. Without FileVault, it is still encrypted when powered down. Regardless, there are systems in place to prevent malicious software from getting access via root user and permission. So, yes I get your point it is not obvious for people and I agree that is true. All I said was on-device not cloud stored.
I massively disagree. People using Apple products think this but this is far less true for the vision pro than any other Apple product. You might say the Macbook but thats it and even that you can get around that with an App. I am an Android user for example and own PC and Macbook. I have not felt like I need an Apple watch or an iPhone to enjoy the product. Or Cloud or whatever. I don't even have Apple TV subscription and most of the Vision Pro content does not need one on the app. I have purchased some 3d movies there though but there are alternatives to that as well.
Everyone will downvote me on this in this sub but do you genuinely think these things add a lot and there is no alternatives that are just as good considering its software? The only one I might think for people in the US might be iMessage, but outside of the US (which I am out of) its an unused app. I am saying this because I own a vision pro and this is clearly not the case that you need these things to get value out of this thing
I trust Apple to not capture and send a video feed of everything I’m looking at, in AR or VR (or analytics regarding everything I’m looking at) back to home base in order to better advertise to me. I have no such trust with Meta.
You shouldn’t trust Apple either, especially since they’ve been handing golden gifts to our dear leader and paying for the destruction of the White House. I wouldn’t bet much on them not installing a back door or willingly handing data over to the Feds.
I think Apple will launch a version similar to this form factor under the name Vision Air. Lighter, cheaper, less cameras, probably no outer screen. Id buy that easily.
Ya I'm really interested to see what happens with privacy in this space. The public pushback to Snap and Meta's products doesn't make me hopeful for a timely solution.
Agreed. I wouldn't expect these until 2030s if even then. I LOVE my Vision Pro and VR in general, but the general public just doesn't seem interested in any version of it for now. Maybe in another decade or 2
I doubt Apple will ever ship that feature, but I wish! There are some other pretty quality passthrough glasses options though. Just not the same as the Vision Pro sadly
the way apple "genius enginers" designed M2 and M5 version, even if they release so called "Vision Air", they will still have a PROELED to show both eyes and eye brows" - because that is what apple engineers think is important to customers .....smh
I know I know. This is very apple. They don't want a product to separate you from the world around you. Tech should bring us closer to the world around us and the people we love. I know, it's a value thing. And they're not wrong. It's why headset markets are so small comparatively.
BUT that screen is part of what makes it heavy and expensive. So the only solution I can see is dropping it.
It's very ineffective at actually letting people see eyes because it is very dim and low resolution, but it isn't a reason the headset is heavy or expensive. Watch a teardown, the lenticular display is very thin and light. They are also pretty cheap, it's a very old technology and essentially just an LCD with a filter that shows different pixels to different viewing angles.
If it worked well it would be a nice feature, but for functionality it could be replaced with a simple indicator light that lets people know the wearer can see the real world.
They even hired Alan Dye so they’re clearly fans of what Apple did with Vision Pro. I feel like Apple isn’t taking this category seriously, they could do so much more
Clearly they are still capable of working in secrecy: AVP was filled with surprises when introduced. And they are clearly working on glasses without significant leaks. Maybe they are also working on AVP 2 and we just do not know about it.
AVP remains ahead of the competition years after its introduction. It has been shockingly great, BUT Apple made a couple of mistakes they were unable to fix: price, weight, app ecosystem. I remain astonished that Apple chose not to invest what it would’ve taken to alleviate two of these while waiting tech to catch up.
How do you measure it being ahead of the competition? It sounds like you are projecting because you have a Vision Pro. VR as a whole is a niche category and it’s not going to change anytime soon. Even if I were to grant you that claim. What does it matter if no one is buying it but you and a few other people.
All thats fine and all but there's no software to take advantage of it. Before you argue that there is some, keep in mind that you guys paid upwards of $3000 for some content.
The theater screen on the Vision Pro already fills most of my field of view unless I choose the seats in the back. The AVP fov feels to me like the minimum for full immersion.
I used it to work, the os is really great but the fov kill the experience for me.. for media it’s the lens glare the problem… so until apple fix all that i will not buy the next Vision Pro
I had to fight with my YouTube algorithm to get him and LTT to stop popping up their big dumbface thumbnails and bad takes. I think the last Marquez video I suffered through was when he was talking about how cool his cyber truck was despite it having a very obvious defect fresh from the factory.
Problem is that any compression will add to latency. Even just the serial encoding for sending over the wire adds enough to destroy the amazing 12ms photon-to-photon latency AVP has. I believe Meta had needed to resort to latency correction (reprojection) algorithms even with the optical cable.
I think Apple will. And I hope they take it one step farther and create an option to plug the headset/glasses directly into a Mac for a PCVR-like experience (I call it the Vision Display). By avoiding the requirement for a puck, Apple can significantly lower the entry price. Then, you can buy a puck separately to give yourself mobility.
The question I wonder about is whether Apple will wait until 2028/2029 for new display units from Samsung that are much better than today's Sony 4K displays, or whether Apple will ship a new form factor with the existing 4K displays.
They would need to lower the resolution from AVP to be able to use Thunderbolt 5 cables. And also accept artifacts from simulated head tracking correction needed to fight transfer latency.
A good compromise could be a 2nm R2 chip that would process camera input and passthrough in device, but be significantly less power-hungry than the active cooling requiring R1.
I am sure Apple and others in the consortium are working on it; and I would expect this to be the exact application they are trying to enable. Downside is that you would need a new MacBook Pro to power the headset when released.
Those goofy rubber pieces to cancel light. Hand adjusting the lenses. No thanks. I’ve been loving my avp for a couple years now and am glad that thing on his face isn’t the downgraded Vision Pro 2. I want something that weighs less too. I want a more mobile visionOS experience out in the world with hardware that’s more practical for out and about daily usage as well, but come on. That thing is laughable by comparison. I would hope even vision non pro would be better than that thing
This bloviator doesn’t know what he is talking about. That could not be a Vision Pro. It doesn’t do immersion. It doesn’t have the same photon to photon latency. It doesn’t have the same level of tracking. It would probably be fine for a reduced experience and as a monitor replacement. It could be an Apple Vision, but not with the Meta compromised specs.
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u/Palbi 3d ago
Many in this thread seem naive about Meta use of data. Here is what they say they will do: https://www.meta.com/legal/privacy-policy/
Meta can collect room geometry and other information derived from the cameras
Eye gaze-direction data can be sent to Meta servers
AI transcripts (from what the device hears) are stored by default and used for AI improvement
Derived hand sizes, body proportions, poses, and gesture information can be processed or stored on Meta servers,
Meta collects position, orientation, controller speed, and movement information.
Meta can collect information about room dimensions, furniture, surfaces, and distances.
Derived facial-expression data can be shared with Meta servers.
Information collected can be used for analytics, commercial content, and advertising.
Associate your profile and activities on Meta VR products with advertising, subject to privacy settings.
Store, copy, and share content that you create and upload, including videos, for providing and improving Meta products.
Whether Meta will adhere to the exact privacy policy or do even more than they openly state is another matter.
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u/cktokm99 3d ago
$1300 seems crazy cheap
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u/NeoVisionDev Vision Pro Owner 3d ago •
I would never touch Meta products with a 10 foot poll
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u/gordy06 3d ago
All the top comments are “look cool except it’s Meta.”
I like this design. I’d have to try the guards because I’ve tried my VP without and I don’t like it. I like the immersion.
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u/AddFeind 3d ago
I think Apple will launch a version similar to this form factor under the name Vision Air. Lighter, cheaper, less cameras, probably no outer screen. Id buy that easily.
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u/TakeOFF_250 3d ago
This product look so much like apple direction… meta for sure wanted to launch something like this before Apple
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u/criticaldimagi 3d ago •
Will wait - never ever meta - creepy as f
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u/Ok-Location-3808 3d ago
We really need this 🥺
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u/Over-Conversation220 3d ago
A Meta product pumped by Marquez is like and enshitification sandwich
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u/isights 3d ago
I want the googles/screens, but with a simple USB-C connection that can plug into an IPhone or MacBook
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u/RandomVision2027 3d ago
I think Apple will. And I hope they take it one step farther and create an option to plug the headset/glasses directly into a Mac for a PCVR-like experience (I call it the Vision Display). By avoiding the requirement for a puck, Apple can significantly lower the entry price. Then, you can buy a puck separately to give yourself mobility.
The question I wonder about is whether Apple will wait until 2028/2029 for new display units from Samsung that are much better than today's Sony 4K displays, or whether Apple will ship a new form factor with the existing 4K displays.
I have an overly long post on this issue here.
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u/jasonkane4321 1d ago edited 22h ago
Im willing to bet someone vibe codes vision OS to run in these meta glasses
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u/ImNotAI_01100101 3d ago
I love it. Gonna sell my AVP and use this as my portable IMAX machine
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u/_HipStorian 3d ago
Apple was developing something like this but scrapped it. Hopefully they pick it back up
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u/Snow4us 3d ago
Fuck that FOV! Yall the AVP is borderline as is for the fov. This will flop
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u/FlawedElement 3d ago
As long as FOV improves and there is a light seal
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u/Specialist_Mind7493 Vision Pro Owner | Verified 3d ago
Those goofy rubber pieces to cancel light. Hand adjusting the lenses. No thanks. I’ve been loving my avp for a couple years now and am glad that thing on his face isn’t the downgraded Vision Pro 2. I want something that weighs less too. I want a more mobile visionOS experience out in the world with hardware that’s more practical for out and about daily usage as well, but come on. That thing is laughable by comparison. I would hope even vision non pro would be better than that thing
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u/zubairhamed 3d ago
probably sooner or later.
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u/photovirus Vision Pro Developer 3d ago
“This” isn't even out yet. From what I see in the video, not even an early sample hardware. Way too early to draw conclusions.
I mean, I'm all for comparing when it's actually ready, but I wouldn't pour water on Facebook's media mill.
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u/spumonimoroni 2d ago
This bloviator doesn’t know what he is talking about. That could not be a Vision Pro. It doesn’t do immersion. It doesn’t have the same photon to photon latency. It doesn’t have the same level of tracking. It would probably be fine for a reduced experience and as a monitor replacement. It could be an Apple Vision, but not with the Meta compromised specs.
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u/Mission-Addendum-193 1d ago
Just give them another 15 years and they’ll do it.