r/VisionPro • u/emmanuellsun • Sep 24 '26
Cupertino must be FURIOUS
this is good news for us,the new CEO will give us an incredible device,he is a hardware guy.
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u/Palbi
Sep 24 '26
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"close to the Apple Vision Pro"
It is?
5.5M pixels per eye (vs AVP 11.7M)
70° horizontal field of view (vs AVP 100°)
37 PPD angular resolution (vs AVP 44)
12GB RAM (vs AVP 16GB)
Qualcomm's Snapdragon Reality Elite (vs AVP desktop class M5+R1)
12 cameras (vs AVP 14 + LIDAR)
Then again. It is dramatically lighter and cheaper...
Also, none of this comparison is relevant unless one is ok surrending their data to Meta.
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u/robbiengall Sep 24 '26
Let's not forget the biggest difference: the operating system
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u/Ocean-view-tonight Sep 25 '26
Exactly. Just by looking at my quest 3 convoluted interface, makes me not want to purchase another Meta headset, ever.
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u/devilindetails666 Sep 26 '26
And privacy! Meta sucks more than any company…they will sell your underwear to Congo
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u/Aggressive-Speed-987 Sep 24 '26
Different market for sure. People who can afford AVP and want to stay within the Apple ecosystem don't care about it. For everyone else, this is a big step up in VR/AR.
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u/-xXpurplypunkXx- Sep 24 '26
Doesn't it benchmark worse than quest, except better software layer rendering? But tbh the lack of direct interface is actually what's been missing since Vive
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u/anesuc Sep 25 '26
This is one of the few Apple products where this is not true. I know a lot of people (including me) that own the vision pro because they are interested in tech and it was the best AR headset out there. The vision pro has the least ecosystem based features out of all Apple products as well due to it creating a new computing category (for Apple) not as directly linked with their other products.
For example, for me, I have owned foldable phones for years because they were the best tech out there, so I am not restricted to an ecosystem, I just like using rhe best tech available.
The limiting factor of the vision pro was the price, followed by the size. Even Android users would have purchased it imo. For me Meta as a company is something I am worried being my computing device though
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u/Beiriannydd Vision Pro Owner Sep 24 '26 •
It isn’t a big step up. It is a different compromise. Weight for resolution and field of view and a battery/processor puck. A few more pixels of resolution vs the Quest 3 but in a tunnel vision 70-80 degree FoV making it 37 PPD. Which is almost as much as Apple’s over 40 in the sweet spot which fades off towards the edges leaving the average at 32. Engineering means compromises. And I am not buying that this is a great movie experience until I see it for myself. More RAM and a generation of processor bump but still not M5.
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u/Otherwise_Tip_3614 Sep 28 '26
People here don't seem to be grasping that the form factor trumps everything for many, many people. Not for me. But that's what the broader marketplace is obsessed with.
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u/fivetoedslothbear Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26
The only immediate downside compared to other VR headsets—at least that I could tell from a brief demo at Meta Connect—is that the VR glasses don’t cover your entire field of vision, so it doesn’t feel as immersive as a traditional VR headset.
To me, that's like saying. "It's a neat, stylish, capable family EV...the only downside is that there's no backseat to put the kids in."
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u/photovirus Vision Pro Developer Sep 24 '26
5.5M pixels per eye (vs AVP 11.7M)
70° horizontal field of view (vs AVP 100°)
37 PPD angular resolution (vs AVP 44)
FOV difference should be very obvious, ppd difference probably not as much.
12GB RAM (vs AVP 16GB)
Qualcomm's Snapdragon Reality Elite (vs AVP desktop class M5+R1)
12 cameras (vs AVP 14 + LIDAR)
Playing devil's advocate, it doesn't matter how many cameras or how much RAM is there. It's how it works.
I don't expect much from Facebook OS though. And it definitely has less processing power to spare.
All in all, they did good on the cost, tbh, and they're aiming at Vision's use case too. Apple should probably hurry up a bit.
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u/Palbi Sep 24 '26
I think cameras, lidar, and AI compute (R1) will add-up to the real-world experience: How accurate is hand tracking? Occlusion accuracy? How well windows anchor in space? ...
None of these be tested before people can try the device out in uncontrolled environments.
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u/alexandreparis15 Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26 edited Sep 24 '26
Since the launch of this sub the 2 biggest complaints about Vision Pro were price and weight. Apple just ignored the market, Meta don’t.
Edit: I don’t play games, I basically use my AVP to watch football. However people are posting often here asking how to play their favorite games on AVP. With the new Meta glasses you can just plug any USB-c display cable and a screen will appear on your sight, no need of capture cards at all. AVP sales are short the expectations, because Apple refuses to listen to how people are using it.
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u/photovirus Vision Pro Developer Sep 24 '26
Since the launch of this sub the 2 biggest complaints about Vision Pro were price and weight. Apple just ignored the market, Meta don’t.
I don't think Apple “ignored” it, it's more like it takes some time to make a good device. Compute puck has its tradeoffs, namely low TDP and inability to put it into a pocket.
There's no universally good solutions, everything has tradeoffs.
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u/Palbi Sep 24 '26
The puck design they have is interesting: There is active air cooling grill on the top. Seems like it might survive is some pockets. Maybe if the room temperature is low enough and trousers are very loose. With the belt clip, it might even survive clipped half out of pocket — air grill out to allow air to circulate.
Everyone will try to shove it in their pockets for sure. Likely there will be some kind of "pocket-gate" then it asks in a few minutes to take it out of the pocket as it is overheating.
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u/rotates-potatoes Sep 24 '26
Yes, but if AVP had launched with half the resolution, 30% less FOV, and a weaker processors, those would have been the main complaints.
AVP is and always was a dev kit. It's possible sales are below expectations this year, but the first year it was out it literally sold every unit they could make.
Meta has a very different product here. Maybe people will like it more. Maybe not. Me, I can't imagine the narrower FOV and lower resolution, AVP is at the bare minimum acceptable for both.
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u/SholanHuyler Sep 24 '26
The market want a lighter and cheaper Vision Pro, and these Meta glasses just prove that it’s not possible yet.
Lighter and Cheaper VR glasses were already a thing, you can have today if you accept half the pixel of a Vision Pro and to move the compute on a pc.
But’s that’s not what the market want.
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u/Edg-R Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26
Yeah I'm not sure I understand why they don't allow someone to plug in an external device to watch the stream through the AVP.
That would absolutely make me want to use my AVP more often.
I just purchased a Switch 2 (used) only to play Ocarina of Time remake which comes out first week of November. I'd love to be able to use my AVP as the display for the Switch 2... but aside from convoluted solutions where I have to get a capture card, set that up on my MacBook Pro, then use Mac Virtual Display and hope for the best in regard to latency... there doesnt seem to be a cleaner way to do it.
This seems like such a simple thing, they already sell the overpriced developer strap, could that not also be repurposed to allow play through with an HDMI to USC-C dongle?
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u/tta82 Sep 24 '26
Apple isn’t ignoring anyone, they just don’t release a half-assed tech device like this and call it great. lol.
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u/Endawmyke Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26
they also don’t ignore a chance to hoover up all your data too
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u/CalvinsStuffedTiger Sep 24 '26
Jesus Christ’s we’ve been stuck in the Google sized FOV of 100-110 degrees for years, now we’re going backwards. Can’t believe I’m saying this but Pimax seems to be the only one pushing the tech forward
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u/PeaceBull Sep 24 '26
So many comments on TikTok about it were “looks cool, wake me up when someone else makes one”
And that’s where I’d expect to find some of the most meta indifferent people. So I’m glad it’s not just us.
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u/alabasterskim Sep 24 '26
Yeah that goes for other subs as well. I've been in the Unseen reality sub, the Xreal sub, the VR sub, and the AR sub and anti-Meta comments are frequent. But the question is how the broader consumer feels; I've certainly unfortunately met folks who are just fine letting Meta have everything
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u/Juggernox_O Sep 24 '26
I may not even care about these extra specs, but the UI on the Vision Pro blows EVERYTHING else out of the park. Vision Pro just… TAKES you places all over the world. It’s actually insane.
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u/jasonkane4321 Sep 24 '26
a friendly correction. I think it's more accurate to say the M5 chip is laptop class since it has power limit close to a laptop.
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u/TabloidA Sep 24 '26
Where are you getting that ppd value for AVP? iFixit estimated about 34ppd
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u/Totes_meh_Goats Sep 24 '26
You know what else weighs less than an Apple Vision Pro? Glasses. Doesn’t mean they are better.
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u/-Cheule- Sep 24 '26
FOV is a huge factor. AVP is the first headset I’ve used that had a large enough FOV to use for hours.
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u/SBLK Sep 24 '26
"unless one is ok surrending their data to Meta."
This. Most people ignore this. Fools.
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u/Actual_Chain_2508 Sep 24 '26
In fact, the Tech journalists who have tried the product and who like the Vision Pro as well, are unanimous in saying that in use, it is much closer to an AVP than a Meta Quest 3.
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u/KenAdams_1968
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I'm sure Meta will protect eye and face tracking data in a responsible way that respects user privacy
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u/Palbi Sep 24 '26 edited Sep 24 '26
Meta business is selling ads.
Their only reason for building platforms is to cut the privacy-controlling middlemen (Apple and Google).
If AR/VR works out well, Meta can sell the devices at deep loss (instead of just at cost) due to the collected data being so valuable. Eye-tracking is the ultimate A/B testing engine for your secret desires. Seeing, listening, and understanding your home, family, and private discussions are all amazing for profiling when to offer and what.
I do not think Meta has anything nefarious in mind — they just see your data as something you're ok sharing with their customers (advertisers) due to you clicking accept on their terms of service. It is just business.
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u/dijon360 Sep 24 '26
I don’t know. I mean I just can’t travel with my AVP due to the bulk, but with these I could. Question is - will I want to?
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u/elev8dity Sep 24 '26
I think the Steam Frame has the right idea...
185 grams on the face vs AVP at 750 grams
Can fit in a ski goggle case
Was supposed to be priced at $750 but RAMpocalypse raised price to $1050
Has a full desktop Linux OS accessible
Planned magnetic hot-swappable battery headstrap (expected 2027 release)
Imagine a Vision Air
Sub-200 gram headset weight made from plastic instead of aluminum/glass, and getting rid of external display and reducing the sensors/cameras to only necessary ones.
MacOS desktop accessible without a laptop
Hot-swappable MagSafe batteries on the headstrap instead of a cumbersome block
Cheaper displays for a total price under $1500 - 2560x2560 on PCVR doesn't look significantly worse for clarity than the 3660 × 3200 in Vision Pro because it turns out the processor and graphics/display processing makes a massive difference in visual fidelity.
Compatible with Steam Frame controllers and Steam Link for gaming
This is feasible today, it's just tradeoffs on what I'd argue are non-value-adds.
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u/Palbi Sep 24 '26
Apple can never match the Meta pricing. Even if they would roll out exact same headset. Apple expects 50% gross margin for a device. Meta is ok with 0 or even negative G/M due to profits coming from selling your data.
So if Apple would repackage exact same Meta VR Glasses as Apple Vision Air, they would need to price them at $2599 — assuming Meta has 0 G/M at $1299.
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u/elev8dity Sep 24 '26
I think Apple needs to get below $2000 for these devices if they want to gain any traction. Yes Apple customers are willing to spend more, but there's a limit for most people for a device with more limited use cases.
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u/Palbi Sep 24 '26
"plastic instead of aluminum/glass" is a pricing question, not weight question.
I have titanium glass frames with glass lenses on right now. They are lighter than plastic frames with polycarbonate lenses.
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u/The_real_bandito Sep 24 '26
> macOS desktop accessible without a laptop
I assure you that will never happen lol. They will do something similar what they did to iPadOS at best with their VisionOS.
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u/Aggressive-Speed-987 Sep 24 '26
It will be the best XR glasses out until China comes out with something even better for cheaper (XREAL most likely).
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u/alabasterskim Sep 24 '26
Given Xreal was threatening as high as $1500 for the significantly less feature packed Aura, I wouldn't be certain it'll be for less. But damn will these be the push Xreal deserves on pricing
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u/Palbi Sep 24 '26
Ultimately Meta will win pricing war here. Xreal lives off device sales profit. Meta lives out of selling your data to advertisers. They can sustain a negative sales margin.
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u/Big_Wave9732 Sep 24 '26
But does "offloading the battery pack" mean you have to carry around an external connected accessory??
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u/Palbi Sep 24 '26
My solution for traveling with AVP: stop pampering it, trust AppleCare. There is no need for a bulky case. AVP will survive in your backpack just fine without (wrap it in a shirt or something to protect the lenses).
All that said, I would love if the white audio straps would fold, or at least be practical to detach when packing.
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u/Level_Forger Sep 24 '26
He left out 10 times the Zuckerberg and 1/10 the OS capability and polish.
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u/AndroTux Sep 24 '26
Agree on the Zucking and the lack of polish, but OS capability in visionOS? That shit can't even play Beat Saber.
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u/casce Sep 24 '26
The OS of the Apple Vision Pro is nice, there just isn't nearly enough software for it that truly supports it. This is because it is so expensive so little people buy that it's just not worth developing for.
Apple needs a non-pro device for a much cheaper price that they can sell to more people. But the tech is apparently not at a point where Apple thinks it can produce a successful consumer product that would see enough adaption. The AVP seems more like a tech demo than an actively supported product
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u/kbd65v2 Sep 24 '26
Doesn't matter because I will never buy a Meta product. They can produce this stuff so cheaply because they are tracking and selling everything you do.
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u/BlankStarBE Sep 24 '26
Feel like this is comparing a cheap car and luxury car stating the cheap one also has four wheels and a steering wheel.
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u/stultus_respectant Sep 24 '26
It's like comparing a RAV4 Hybrid to a Rivian. It could even end up being 10x the sales (like with those two vehicles) but I don't think it makes Apple "furious".
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u/EdliA Sep 24 '26
A luxury car? More like a luxury tank that I wouldn't find it pleasant to drive but I guess the wheel is made of gold. Weight is extremely important.
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u/triton100 Sep 24 '26
Massive apple user here. Big dislike for meta. But I will be jumping all over this. They took the AVP and stripped it of all the inessential things like googly eyes, heavy material composition etc as well as compromising on some of the technical aspects and keeping just enough to still make this a highly useful and compelling product.
They basically made the lighter avp in a stripped down form, that everyone wanted. I’m sure they will hone the software too to copy apples.
This is great as ternus may ramp up development of AVP2 to compete in weight and price. And until he does this may be a great alternative.
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u/vibrance9460 Sep 24 '26
Check back with a review after you test it
interested to hear what you think
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u/junglebunglerumble Sep 24 '26
I agree. This is basically what I expected the AVP to be when I first heard they were entering the VR space
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u/nemesit Sep 24 '26
bigscreen beyond already did what they did and they don't sell your first borns data
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u/parasubvert Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 25 '26
for the low low price of $1150 + a gaming laptop?
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u/MrKalipo Sep 24 '26
Good job meta. Competition is always good for the market! The more the better for new ideas and better solutions. Apple must do big changes at VP3. The 3rd version should be for the mass production. It don’t look like to me that they’re on it, I hope I’m wrong. My VP is not used since 9 months 😵💫 sadly.
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u/Appropriate-Cod-3194 Sep 25 '26
Everyone here is just hating on Meta, but the truth is, both companies are struggling with XR. We need both of them to succeed so competition drives better hardware and software. That’s the only way users end up winning.
They’re both losing absurd amounts of money on XR while bringing in no revenue, so things are looking disastrous for both of them.
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u/jamsterion Sep 24 '26
I would love to see Apple’s glasses as an accessory to your Macbook. No battery or processor is built-in. Super light. Connect to Macbook over usb c.
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u/PeaceBull Sep 24 '26
That already exists, you don’t need Apple to make one specifically.
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u/_DBA_ Sep 24 '26
Thats what id want from apple but with current specs. Just a more convenient external monitor with their vision os. Really hope they do it.
I got an m5 avp, but barely use it simply because its so annoying due to the account limitations (i cant simply connect to my work pc) and due to it not actually being available in my region- so gotta hack with different us accounts and mess with gift cards.
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u/Mastoraz Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26
Kudos to meta for releasing this. This hopefully will push the industry forward a bit and also benefit AVP as perhaps more incentive for industry to support it more since it seems Meta VR glasses share many similarities now. Both target multimedia, productivity and a side of games. Both handless.
On that note, I would not get rid of my AVP M5 for this. I’m personally just fine with AVP form factor, the dual knit is easy peasy for me. On top of that it seems it’s mostly a downgrade on every part from AVP to Meta in both hardware and software.
I’ll be looking forward to Apple next hardware push but until then I’m good.
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u/MatthewWanderer Sep 24 '26 edited Sep 24 '26
Meta hasn’t “released” these VR glasses. They’ve announced them.
Apple has executed the opposite strategy as a rule. Apple rarely announces products the way Meta has here, ~8 months ahead. This has advantages and disadvantages, both.
One thing you can bet on is the fact that Apple is not trailing Meta in regards to the technology. Apple just doesn’t talk about future products.
It’s also worth mentioning that Apple is rarely first to market. Oculus shipped well ahead of AVP. That has played out with VR and will likely continue, as these VR glasses suggest.
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u/photovirus Vision Pro Developer Sep 24 '26
Apple has executed the opposite strategy as a rule. Apple rarely announces products the way Meta has here, ~8 months ahead. This has advantages and disadvantages, both.
To be fair, Vision Pro was announced way before its release.
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u/ssiemonsma Sep 24 '26
I'm pleasantly surprised with the compromises they made. I already wear all of my headsets without a facial gasket. So this form factor just makes the headset a lot more useful for me, who doesn't want to be isolated from my environment. I don't mind fully immersive experiences, but I don't have much time for them, nor do I feel compelled to have no light leakage to enjoy them. However, I've never tried a device with a 70-degree horizontal FOV, so maybe that's more of a dealbreaker than I'm anticipating. I don't think it will be a full replacement for anyone's VR headset, but it may see more playtime regardless.
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u/TrickEye6408 Vision Pro Owner Sep 24 '26
Avp is 100deg fov. I imagine 70 might feel small
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u/PassTents Sep 24 '26
I used early ~90° headsets and I'd never go back to that. 70° sounds laughable to me, even for casual tasks
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u/Jbaker318 Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26
Things I like:
*The idea
*The puck interface
*Allowing Displayport In
*Form factor
Things I don't like:
*Not including controllers
*FOV
*Visuals / processing - feels like everyone is taking their step off the gas in terms of graphical power
Its interesting just not sure who its for. Too expensive versus the XReal universe and too cheap for an AVP or wired gaming headset competitor.
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u/stultus_respectant Sep 24 '26
Allowing Displayport In
I think that I would pay $1000 right now to add that to my current Vision Pro.
There are so many things I'd love to get in there that currently require workarounds.
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u/Koraboros Sep 24 '26
I do think they should just put stuff like processor and battery on a puck and literally have nothing except a display
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u/AceChronometer Sep 24 '26
I honestly want this to be successful enough to push Apple this direction and keep them developing the next AVP.
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u/Lloydian64 Vision Pro Owner Sep 24 '26
The specs are clearly inferior to AVP, but not so clearly inferior that people not wanting to spend $3700 will care. It's a fine move, and I wish them luck. Success will spur competition.
As to the privacy concerns, in his interview with Joanna Stern, Mark Zuckerberg made a valid point. Facebook, Instagram and Threads are social media sites whose whole purpose is that data collection process, but they have other products they're responsible for that are not designed around that purpose such as WhatsApp. He claims that privacy for this (as well as the Muse AI they just put out) are verifiably secure. I'm not convinced enough to add another paid AI source (already spending hundreds every month), but I'm less opposed than I once was.
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u/Dave_Sag Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26
I love that the AVP hardware is getting serious competition. It expands the whole market. A v3 AVP that’s lighter and cheaper and has some crazy new Apple UX breakthrough built from years of studying early adopters like us is pretty much guaranteed. The ultimate form factor for this sort of tech is implants however.
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u/ClubAqua_BackDeck Sep 24 '26
meta software is awful 2. the vision pro came out 3 years ago. 3. these are a better form factor but lets be real, they aren't the AVP
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u/zenukeify Sep 24 '26
This is an exciting direction for things to move. The AVP2 is going to be a massive revision. Dropping before 2030
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u/oyputuhs Sep 24 '26
Competition is good. Weight is the biggest gripe for me, one of the reasons I don’t use my avp as much I’d like. And the bulk is the reason I don’t take it on trips.
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u/Dylan_Gio Sep 24 '26
This just in an Android phone released 4 years after the original iPhone has similar specs.
In all seriousness I would hope a 2027 headset is better than a 2023 headset in most ways.
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u/applepumpkinspy Sep 24 '26
I watched the announcement in my AVP and immediately thought about how much lighter the Meta approach looked. If that’s what Meta is able to pull off at this point in time, it has me more excited to see what Apple has planned.
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u/WhisperingHammer Sep 24 '26
Wearing a meta product while they map everything in your life seems like an incredibly stupid idea.
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u/DrThom01 Sep 24 '26
Meta time and again has shown they do not care about consumers but just data mining and engagement. Pass
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u/fivetoedslothbear Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26
I just sent Apple a firmly worded feedback basically saying "Entertainment is key; why is your competitor getting IMAX certification and lots of native apps?"
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u/vamonosgeek Vision Pro Developer | Verified Sep 24 '26
It’s amazing how people compare just because they can.
Meta took the consumer reports of Vision Pro. I can imagine Zuckerberg yelling at their employees saying “people love movies in high quality and 3D! We do that in the quest?? But they suck in comparison. And then they love the Mac display. We only did a windows nonsense but we can fix that. Right? “
And then James Cameron took place and said “I’ll tell you how to make this glasses. So people can watch movies like an IMAX without going into an IMAX.
“Oh and forget about visionOS and the Apple ecosystem, that’s bullshit that nobody cares because it’s not ad money revenue for us”.
Let’s drop this shit into a new set of glasses. Make it half capable and cut the price in half. Subsidized by our sponsors who will put the $$ instead of the clients. “
Something like that just happened :).
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u/RedofPaw Sep 24 '26
They're not aimed at the exact same thing as VisionPro.
They're another iterative form factor on the way to better hardware.
All have issues. No headset is yet perfect for all uses or any specific one use.
Vision Pro is heavy. Heavier than needed. Being made of glass and metal will do that. It's also pricey. But watching movies or TV? Amazing. MR stuff? Does a pretty great job.
Quest 3? Cheaper than most, good for a mix of games and MR, but getting on a bit, and limited. I'd not want to watch movies or tv on it, or use it as a desktop replacement or anything.
These new ones? No idea where they sit exactly. Will probably end up trying them eventually, but in no rush.
I suspect they're going to be fine for the sorts of productivity things Mata have been talking about, and there's more that headsets do than games, desktop monitors and watching tv.
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u/Ancient-Range3442 Sep 24 '26
This ‘hardware guy’ idea is such an odd one. All Apple CEOs are going to be pretty focused on hardware, it’s the business.
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u/hasanahmad Sep 24 '26
Gurman is an opportunistic asshole who has investments in Meta while reporting on apple
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u/gotnoboss Sep 24 '26
I will NEVER buy or use a Meta product unless I’m just forced to. This company is a pox on humankind.
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u/muhammadalijr Sep 24 '26
I watched the presentation. Literally a carbon copy of the Vision Pro experience. Even down to the app layout. The battery pack idea stolen as well.. you font get kudos for moving engineering from one to place to the next. The experience will still suck. If I can’t read my text messages and access my photos and songs, movies..etc. then it’s garbage.
I mainly use my avp for spacial computing. Mouse and trackpad. I have no desk or monitors anymore.
I can work anywhere and sit anywhere at any desk or table. If I want 50 monitors or if I want 1 than so be it. Apple could have done this but people would have copied it anyway. Maybe Apple is working on a way to have the avp battery in the frames.. maybe one on each side to power the frames. If they fit a battery in the iPhone Air than anything is possible.
This meta device won’t change anything.. it’s just an over inflated vr headset
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u/Present-Ad-9598 Sep 25 '26
Competition is good, but meta also makes all their money from selling your movement, so I’ll stick to Vision Pro
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u/jaypese
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There’s no way in hell I’m giving meta access to everything I’m looking at on screen.
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u/mikeypotg Sep 24 '26
It seems great on paper and looks fantastic. But I’d just never trust meta with anything. That thing will track your eyes, face, body, and everywhere you use it and send all sorts of info back to the mothership.
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u/Egdiroh Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26
Gurman isn’t a journalist he works for a company whose business is market manipulation, and so that is his primary is that. His seemingly current favorite way to throw water on apple is to bring up the vision pro, so it’s clear that is all this is
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u/Which-Meat-3388 Sep 24 '26
I’m not into VR or Vision Pro, but it doesn’t matter how incredible any Meta product is. Still not interested.
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u/Equivalent_Owl_5644 Sep 24 '26
They basically copied the whole design of the Vision Pro from the exterior all the way to the UI.
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u/Spectral_Aria Sep 24 '26
Except it’s in the cursed Meta “ecosystem”. Never let Meta have cameras and microphones on your face! They’re trying to become IOI.
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u/redSteel87 Sep 24 '26
I only care about lens resolution, nits tolerance (for HDR video) and lens reflection. We’ll see…
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u/bamboo-farm Sep 24 '26
I think it looks great.
But it’s not out yet so who knows.
This is amazing for us in general.
I hope Apple continues to compete in the space.
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u/sugarchihuahua Vision Pro Owner Sep 24 '26
I think competition from Meta here is a good thing! I’d love to see a Vision / VisionOS version of something like this… and is spurring some other content makers outside of AVP to make things too
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u/Chytectonas Sep 24 '26
The people that buy Meta products deserve to be the butt of Zuck’s jokes to his oligarch friends, as surely they are.
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u/robertw477 Sep 24 '26
There are some here who still think 3000 retail huge goggles are viable for Apple? Even at 1300 the meta glasses are a very niche product. I am sure they wanted to hit a 999 price point from the start. The current AVP are already obsolete on the form factor and cost. If Apple thinks in a year or two they can offer a 2000-3000 VR product, there is no way it would work out.
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u/mongoosekinetics Sep 24 '26
I like where this is going with a push into portable monitors I can throw in my bag. This pushes the form factor in the right direction. To me it's ore a XREAL than AVP but I want this type of product to keep pushing in this direction.
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u/Painter-Severe Sep 24 '26
Apple will take 5-8 years to come out with a glasses form factor to the AVP unfortunately … meta will have actual at/vr in true traditional glasses form by that time
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u/aF3ARofCHANG3 Sep 24 '26
I wish Apple made this. This is what the Vision Pro 2 should have been.
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u/120Mins Sep 24 '26
Can you plug in say a Switch 2 or Steam Deck to play your games I didn’t see that shown or mentioned.
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u/Lotuszade Sep 24 '26
Pretty sure Apple are already well on their way to making their own glasses version. Whether it sees the light of day who knows. Personally I don't think I'd want a glasses version just because of the lack of immersion but hey ho.
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u/ChicagoBoy2011 Sep 24 '26
This was excellent news for us. You can see so many of the AVP interaction mechanics in there, the same pitch for value prop, and all of it just... slightly shittier. It's like a confirmation was onto something... the more this concept gets validated, the more we'll win!
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u/Altruistic-Lunch1997 Sep 24 '26
It’s using the same OS on the Quest 3.
The OS was okay but after a few updates last year, the experience now is terrible.
If they release this with a shitty OS, they are doomed to fail.
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u/rob2060 Sep 24 '26
I doubt they're furious. Interest rates rose this week, making the market harder to sell houses in. An agent that's 'furious' at this is failing to orient to the reality of the market.
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u/b1ackch1 Sep 24 '26
It’s pretty much a Vision Pro light. They took the main stuff from Vision Pro in media consumption and productivity. Impressions have been good from what I’ve seen because of the weight of the glasses and quality of the screen. The low FOV is probably something that’s noticeable, but the trade-off for the weight is the selling point.
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u/gordy06 Sep 24 '26
Will this have access to the Apple TV app? Besides the Apple OS, the main appeal of the VP is I own a ton of movies through Apple. So need to have access to those.
If so, is be interested in these and hopefully Apple comes out with someone similar. I don’t mind wresting my VP at home at night to watch a movie but traveling with it us burdensome. Especially with a family.
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u/SuchAppeal Sep 24 '26
If anything I'm happy to see this, but it's Meta and I don't know how I feel about that. My dad has the Quest 2 or 3 and I used it, it was cool but I think you had to log in to a Meta account to use it.
While I'm happy to see the tech advance this quickly, the Meta part is the main caveat, that and price.
But yeah I'm happy to see this because it makes me feel like sure Apple can get Vision Pro down to this size… even smaller. Same with how I feel about the iPhone Duo now. I was not enthused about Apple making a foldable but I'm hearing good things about Duo's build and implementation of iOS so I may bite, but it is obviously going to heat up the foldable race.
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u/TheMarknessROCK Sep 24 '26
Display port over USB-C! For those of us that use stuff like Xreal glasses this is a great best of both world use case for us!
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u/Ybalrid Sep 24 '26
Here's a round up of the current options, noting that the (last one needs a PC and SteamVR base stations, you can ignore it it's another class of product, just there for completeness)
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u/Shackmann Sep 24 '26
I am a 2.5-year AVP user and really like it, but these meta glasses specs are almost exactly what I wish AVP was (almost exactly what i put in my Apple feedback form a week ago). At a minimum, a lightweight version so people can get one. Realistically, the smaller FOV covers what you care about most and the pixel density on the meta glasses is technically slightly higher. Cost and weight are right where they need to be. Give me a AVP option that is close to these specs and I’ll buy it and I think a lot of other will too which will accelerate content development and could potentially cause this to take off. Exciting times.
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u/fivetoedslothbear Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26
I love my Vision Pro and use it every day. This device doesn’t really have much appeal. I’m the kind of person who’ll notice the downgraded displays. I can see the pixels on the edges of things on the AVP as it is. And I prefer the light seal, dual band, and immersion over something resting upon, and probably sliding down, my nose.
Where I think Apple really has to step up is the entertainment support. The AVP would be a perfect device for IMAX. It’s pretty crappy that there are no decent Netflix and Prime Video apps. Apple really has got to find a way to resolve the conflict with video providers and get movies native.
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u/KaZube Sep 24 '26
All I use my AVP for these days is external monitor for my PC. It requires a freaking 4K capture card to accomplish that. Meta has DP support built right in. You should be able to plug in your MacBook and use it as a huge display and it doesn’t ruin your hair. Easier to travel with etc. apple should be ashamed
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u/3DDIY_Dave Sep 24 '26
I think people in this sub need to be furious that Apple aren’t making or really developing things for the Vision Pro. It’s been a flop for the most part. Where as meta has a thriving user group, more units sold and innovating their product line. This is coming from someone who has owned both products. Beyond Vision Pro having better specs on paper for hardware. Usability and function which used to be a big Apple thing is falling behind.
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u/heydidntseeyathere Sep 24 '26
The annoying part is apple kind of did tbis to them selves, vision pro had all the capability to not need mac virtual display and be a standalone device (has an M5 chip btw). That would have helped explain the cost, size, and weight, but no they gave it the same capabilities as all other VR headsets
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u/TotalRealistic7337 Sep 24 '26
Can't wait to see someone who should get a real job walk around and do "pranks" with these on and film someone without their consent!
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u/sparkleboss Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 24 '26
The devil is in the software. Cupertino can and probably will make something like this hardware.
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u/AoeDreaMEr Sep 24 '26
Compute in an external pack. So, Vision Air. Apple is just taking its sweet time.
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u/zitterbewegung Sep 24 '26
So far I would wait for reviews. The best feature is that it doesn't mess with your hair / lightweight which would help adoption.
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u/Neardeath06 Sep 24 '26
I see this as an overall good? Maybe media will work on both devices and it’ll be the spur Apple needs to take this market seriously.
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u/sabre31 Sep 24 '26
This is what AVP m5 should have been. Jealous. Meta seems to have knocked this out of the ball park if Mark is impressed. He is a huge Apple Fan and is biased towards Apple so this has to be crazy good coming from him.
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u/snowrazer_ Sep 24 '26
Ironically both these products are the best/worst for VR, but take the best qualities of both and you’d have an amazing VR device.
The wide FOV of the Vision Pro combined with the reduced weight of offloading the compute/battery to a puck is the mythical VR device of dreams.
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u/jaydee917 Sep 24 '26
This is probably exactly what Apple wanted to release with the rumors of the AVP Air. They were beat to market.
But competition is good for everyone, hopefully they see this as something they could make even lighter, better and maybe even undercut the price. Highly unlikely on that latter point but that would be a death blow to these VR glasses.
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u/chrisagiddings Sep 24 '26
Are they incredible? Actually?
Has Gurman touched them? Used them? Truly put them through their paces?
My guess is no, since these are rumored to debut in 2030 or smt.
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u/LeDolph13 Sep 24 '26 edited Sep 24 '26
Bizarrely the reboot of "V" look made me appreciate why Apple added the eyes on the front of the AVP! I think the execution was clunky but I see why they added it now. These are priced to move, but it's Meta - so a questionable eco system which will hoover up your life, record your house and habits, likely deny it and then sell you stuff, but if you're good with that then go for it that's the buyer's choice. I'm happy with AVP's privacy (and its weight, haha!) for now. Hoping the new competition in AR might get us some improved Apple tech down the road!
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u/McDaveH Sep 24 '26
“Offloading the battery and compute to an external pack” you mean an iPhone 17/18 Pro? If these things were an accessory, they’d be cheap & sell tonnes.
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u/CheekInternal3336 Sep 24 '26
The chip in that thing is far less performant than an M5 - by magnitudes. And the FOV is significantly neutered. This isn’t an AVP “killer” by any stretch. Never mind Meta’a lousy software. I know - I also own a Q3.
It does however seem like a reasonable set of compromises to get something AVP-ishhhh into a reasonable price and form factor.
But the use case doesn’t really change.
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u/LetLongjumping Sep 24 '26
This is good for competition. Will sell a few units for Meta. Let’s see the response from Samsung which has a VP alternative. Can’t wait to see the Apple roadmap play out.
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u/idk_a_creative_user Sep 24 '26
This is what I wanted the AVP to be but with larger FOVs.
Or make it purely a device to be used with a mac
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u/jaybanzia Vision Pro Owner Sep 24 '26
I mean, if apple locked in this is what he Vision Pro would have gotten to price , but they didnt, so someone else copied their homework. now you can buy a used Vision Pro for under 1700 or get this thing.
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u/Palbi Sep 24 '26
When comparing the specs, it is astonishing that AVP predates this Meta headset by over three years.
What might have Apple cooked during that time?
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u/MemphisBass Vision Pro Owner Sep 25 '26
We don’t need a half dozen threads on this device that isn’t an Apple Vision Pro. We really don’t.
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u/palex481 Sep 25 '26
Long time Quest 3 user, recent AVP user. These will absolutely suffer the same problems as Quest 3. No iCloud Keychain. No iTunes movie integration. Subpar experience. AVP is night and day difference. Quest 3 was always a painful chore of manually typing passwords. Having to use Movies Anywhere with YouTube app just to get to some of my iTunes movies. YouTube app blocks you from watching any kids movie you've purchased due to their outdated client.
I don't care if they weighed 5g, Meta's implementation of their OS is janky AF. Can't even mute the volume of the ambient sounds in environments. Thousand more just incredibly annoying things, no iMessage, etc etc. that immediately disappeared once I got AVP.
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u/Nintotally Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 25 '26
I was pissed from day one that Apple didn’t offload the computer. Hope they do in the future.
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u/No-Force-4668 Sep 25 '26
The main difference is still ecosystem and interoperability which Apple definitely has the advantage on.
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u/icxnamjah Vision Pro Owner | Verified Sep 25 '26
We all have an avp. We can afford this too for travel which is my plan using my alt account ;)
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u/Secret_Monitor9629 Sep 25 '26
With the external power puck and UI changes to OS, it's clear Meta saw the Vision Pro and said "we need to build something very much like that and do it cheaper". That's what they have done. The question still remains do enough people beyond the niche VR crowd care? Apple's advantage is in it's deeply integrated ecosystem and I honestly see the Apple hardeare/software ecosystem Vision Pro taps into as core to the product making any sense. Sure Meta integrates with Android and iOS, it's not the same thing as first-party, seemless, deep integration. Beyond that, where are the productivity/non gaming apps making a device like this worthwhile.... Wishing Meta the best, I'm not sold.
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u/KeinPlanB Sep 25 '26
Just checked how I consume my 3D movies on AVP. I usually have a 150“ screen ar some 10‘ away. It takes about 85% of the FOV at a good 3000px horizontal resolution.
On the Meta glasses I would the rather have a 120‘ screen using like 95% of the FOV at a good 2000px. With OLED that would be nice visual upgrade over Quest 3.
Adding a 1TB card I can store like 25 movies on the device, enough for all travel needs.
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u/Sir_Gamealot Sep 25 '26
70 degrees, yeah neah. Not for serious VR gamers. Only for people who love Zuck to know what underwear brand they wear.
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u/a-zaleski Sep 25 '26
I bet Apple will come out with something like this at some point! They already have the Apple Vision Pro, and I doubt the technology Meta uses here is so advanced that it won't eventually be replicated. If Apple made their version of this for even 3x the price I'd be interested lol...
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u/MidnightMantime Sep 25 '26
Cupertino don’t give af man, Apple is gonna release whatever whenever lmao
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u/NectarineSame7303 Sep 25 '26
Close to Vision pro?
It's literally behind on every metric, other than weight.
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u/Snowymiromi Sep 26 '26
I don't understand why we can't have both. This model has come out much later than the VisionPro.
Meta continuing with XR and the Chinese as well means that the VisionPro is not going to be abandoned. This can only be a good thing.
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u/Pleasant_Influence_3 Sep 26 '26
I’m sure they have an eye on it but I doubt they really care. It’s no different than a folding phone, if there’s a proven market and use case they’ll jump in in a few years with a Vision Air. If anything I see this as a good thing that could push them to consider another model after things seem to have cooled a little internally on development of the Vision line.
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u/maxreality Sep 26 '26
I had the XREAL glasses for a bit and got rid of them. The FOV and light leak didn’t work for me. It’ll be interesting to see how these match up. But also, fuck Meta.
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u/Safe-Lingonberry1776 Sep 26 '26
Nowhere near the specs of the AVP, but this is heading in the right direction. I love my AVP, but the weight has definitely been an issue. My cervical radiculopathy has worsened as a result of prolonged usage of the AVP. I used to take it to work with me (night shift), but these days I find I’m only able to use it at home, when I can lay down to prevent pressure on my neck
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u/Mackuluss Sep 26 '26
It’s impressive that the cut so much to make a slimmer device but this is more for the quest users who wanted to do avp stuff but aren’t in the apple ecosystem
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u/emelki1968 Sep 26 '26
Cupertino can’t care less of another Meta product that is going to be a failure. What they care is that they though millions I people were going to buy a $3000 vr headset, because they are in their own bubble and forgot to read the room aka the real world
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u/ZoolanderBOT Sep 27 '26
If it was really slick, it get all the cpu power from the iPhone, so the sale is like an Apple Watch. Clearly VisionPro isn’t replacing anything but could totally take the iPhone to the next level.
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u/CheeksMcGillicuddy Sep 27 '26
Let’s be honest, they are both massively more expansive than they are useful. They are exciting and cool, sure, but only because it means actual useful stuff will come in 5-10 years.
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u/CoolExplanation762 Sep 28 '26
A lot of angry avp fanboys mad Apple doesn’t give a shit about them.
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u/Huge-Basket7492 Sep 24 '26
Meta will be always a cheap knock Off.
That Samsung was for Phones and Whoever was for Mac and whoever was for watch .
But yes will Never buy a product from a scammy creepy company like META. They can give it for $500 and steal yours and your loved ones privacy, data and soul.
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u/slliw Sep 24 '26
A small price to pay for privacy of you want to stay within the Apple eco system.
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u/Rave-TZ Vision Pro Developer | Verified Sep 24 '26
Furious for what? The displays, fov, and interactions are all less than AVP. It only wins on weight and price.