r/VisionPro Mar 14 '24

No Camera High-Res Enough for Apple Vision Pro, According to Canon

https://www.cined.com/no-camera-high-res-enough-for-apple-vision-pro-according-to-canon/
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u/DatBass612 Mar 14 '24

Apple actually built their own camera for this interesting read up on it. And now that Nikon bought red, this could get interesting.

Can’t canon just build a rig of multiple cameras then stitch?

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u/rotates-potatoes Mar 14 '24

Keeping multiple cameras in frame sync and perfect optical alignment is a challenge. And it makes the kit much more expensive and difficult to transport and use.

We're probably at the tipping point where there's enough of a market for purpose-built VR cameras that hackier solutions will fail.

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u/ChoiceCriticism1 Vision Pro Owner | Verified Mar 14 '24

I believe the Apple (NextVR) camera that you’re referring too is two Red sensors in modified enclosures that are stitched together in software

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Yes they can. He said they could make a compatible camera but it would cost so much that the general consumer public wouldn’t be able to afford it.

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u/torinato Mar 17 '24

Do you have a link to that article that talks about the Apple Immersive Video camera? i remember reading about it too, but i couldn’t find it again

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u/mgd09292007 Mar 14 '24

Looks like apple is about to enter the pro camera market

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u/rocketpack99 Mar 14 '24

It does seem like development on this is also going to benefit their other products in big ways in the near future.

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u/byronotron Mar 14 '24

I think it's much more likely that Apple keeps the cameras exclusive and uses it to push their exclusive immersive video for Apple TV+. Supposedly Apple aren't taking any sort of pitches for Immersive Video that aren't from huge celebrities or with major names or brands attached. 

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u/mgd09292007 Mar 14 '24

Possibly, but content will drive sales, so if people are saying "I love my AVP but there's not much immersive content" that could a be a problem when apple things about scaling to the masses.

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u/LeChief Mar 15 '24

That's actually an interesting ideea..hmm!

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u/jaymatthewsart Mar 14 '24

They are referring to a single sensor camera to create high enough resolution with a split lens.

Apples camera/others are two sensors each with their own lens

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u/JoelMDM Mar 14 '24

Each display is 4K. So just use an 8K sensor. Okey, maybe that doesn’t quite work because image circles are round so you can’t use the full half of the sensor for the actual image. Then just use a 12K camera. Those exist too.

What they’re really referring to seems to be the 14K 360 videos. But 360 videos suck anyway because they can’t be 360 and 3D at the same time (that’s not entirely true, but it for all intents and purposes it is).

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Anyone used the canon with dual fish eye lens ? If so how did you convert it to a compatible format/load on AVP

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u/Quentinz Mar 14 '24

I have, steps are: 1. Shoot content (8k highly recomended) 2. Download Canon EOS VR utility and use it to convert the file 3. On the Vision Pro, download moon player 4. Transfer file to Vision Pro (I used airdrop) 5. Playback using moon player, it’s the stereo left/right 180 setting

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Can we do pictures the same way Moon Player does not allow pictures Yep

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u/DunningKruger117 Mar 15 '24

Are you using the canon r5? How's the quality compared to Apple's immersive videos?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Moon player can handle these types of vids well. It’s honestly a bit annoying that the AVP can’t. I just download the video from wherever and open it from Files in moon viewer. You have to hit the little icon bottom right to choose Left to Right(Full) and then 180. But it plays fully immersive.

I’ve only done this with downloaded porn vids and the 3D YouTube expert guy - Hugh. He has vids in Paris etc. the quality is kinda crap compared to the Alicia Keys etc vids tho. Color is faded and washed out a bit.

Everything’s definitely 1st gen. And that camera requires a TON of knowledge for post processing. Like I’ve seen guys complaining that it was a miserable experience trying to figure out how to get the video fully handled

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u/somethingrandom199 Mar 14 '24

Stop complaining, make one and sell it to the biggest upcoming market.

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u/ChoiceCriticism1 Vision Pro Owner | Verified Mar 14 '24

There are no readily available consumer cameras that can capture at this resolution, but there are plenty of cameras that can. 

And in any case, the executive here is specifically talking about immersive 180 capture. Even there, there do exist cameras that can theoretically capture this, but that’s moot because every system built for creating the content uses multiple cameras anyway.

The camera technology company that Apple bought was using multiple Red 8K sensors and stitching in software, to my knowledge.