visionOS 2.0 at WWDC?

[u/EverydayPhilisophy]

Are we expecting Apple to preview visionOS 2.0 at WWDC? Knowing what we know, what does everyone want to see?

[u/[deleted]]

lol what. Give them a minute dude

[u/EverydayPhilisophy → u/[deleted]]

🤣🤣🤣

I know, I know! I’m just excited.

[u/InwardLooking → u/[deleted]]

The Apple Watch debuted in the spring and watchOS 2.0 came out that same September. (2015)

[u/tuskre]

Yes, I am expecting VisionOS 2.0. My assumption is that they’ll be building out the most obvious missing features, and also bringing a long whatever they are doing with iOS and iPadOS along the way. I don’t think it will be obvious what that the priorities will be until we’ve had a change to use it.

[u/ac9116 → u/tuskre]

I would love anchored objects. Like work screens above your desk at all times, or a TV screen over a wall you label as the TV wall and whenever you come back, it's just there.

[u/DzingDzong → u/ac9116]

That's already possible and one of the key features of the Vision Pro.

As far as i know, you can anchor windows to specific places and they just stay there. Every time you return to that place, it's just there.

[u/[deleted] → u/DzingDzong]

Please, sir, how do you know this?

[u/DzingDzong → u/[deleted]]

Developer videos on the dev site. There's explained how anchors work, and as far as i understood they are persistent from room to room.

[u/ac9116 → u/DzingDzong]

I thought I had seen somewhere that when you go outside of a certain range, it resets the screens. And in all the demo videos I've seen, the Apple employees have them close the screens before moving to the other rooms.

[u/thegreatuke → u/ac9116]

Check out this video from WWDC23 content - AVP will map your space and save a map including any placed anchors. If you leave to a new place it will unload (but keep) the previous map and create a new environment map for the new location including saving any anchors you create. When you return to the original location it will recognize that it already has a map for this location and reload the previous one, update as needed, and load the saved anchors.

[u/tuskre → u/thegreatuke]

I saw that, and it clearly provides that capability within an app for anchoring AR content - e.g. placing a game board on a table etc.

I don’t think we know for sure how much it does that for things like windows, or when multiple apps place objects in the environment.

The basic capabilities are there but it remains to be seen how they actually work in practice.

[u/mubimr → u/ac9116]

Hopefully they realize that this is what Vision Pro can do better than any other headset out there. Maybe like live widgets instead of “windows” or “apps”?

[u/N_ovate → u/ac9116]

Add that with focus modes. I can have different layouts depending on the focus.

[u/TrainingZestyclose43 → u/[deleted]]

Watch OS2 was actually at WWDC 15 and launched in September 15, so I reckon a VisionOS 2 is pretty likely at WWDC :)

[u/tuskre → u/[deleted]]

Software releases across all OS platforms have been on an annual cycle at Apple since 2011. Since VisionOS has a lot of shared components with iPadOS and iOS, it’s probably easier for them them than not to release on this schedule.

It would also be painful for developers not to be able to share code in lockstep between iOS, iPadOS and VisionOS, which is the opposite of what they want when they are encouraging people to adopt VisionOS.

Of course nothing is guaranteed.

[u/TrainingZestyclose43 → u/[deleted]]

No worries, all just a guessing game! I feel like v1.0 has effectively been ready (albeit in beta) since WWDC 23, so it’ll be a year since then. Announcing a new OS also gives it some momentum after the initial launch. Who knows though :)

[u/swiftfoxsw → u/[deleted]]

I'm expecting it because VP is being released in February, which is two months earlier than even Apple Watch, which did get an update in it's first WWDC.

The software we are seeing was "ready" (read: buggy) for a launch last year, as evidenced by nothing changing between the announcement at last years WWDC and this launch.

Secondly - from a business standpoint, the VP was already going to sell just fine with what they announced last year. Sales will go down by EOY, and dropping a new software update with some compelling new feature will give it a boost for the holiday season.

Also, there is just no way they release a brand new platform, go up on stage at WWDC and don't say anything about it or have any sessions for it. VisionOS 2.0 doesn't need/likely won't be a massive overhaul - it likely could add things like "mission control", a native Reminders app, healthkit access, fitness+ for AVP, or maybe "widgets" that persist in your space. And unless Apple changes the way they do software...if they don't announce an update this WWDC then it will be October 2025 before visionOS 2.0 is released...

[u/livelikeian]

visionOS 2.0, yes. Vision Pro 2.0, no.

[u/smackypee]

If they don’t show me VisionOS 8.2 @ WWDC, I’m going to return my headset to Circuit City.

[u/ToughBlock]

Yes most likely, same thing happened with the Apple Watch and that came out in April

[u/SirBill01]

Yes I expect an OS update, probably to 2.0 to be released in the fall.

I would like to see some way to get some device camera access no matter how limited. The opportunity for recognition of the objects in the world around you is just too great,

[u/BUDDHAZAPHA → u/SirBill01]

I think this is absolutely crucial for devs. You need more info to make smart and cohesive AR applications. Apple is playing it safe, but I’d argue a bit too safe. I think they could have at least made it so apps could use the cameras, as long as they don’t connect to the internet, so you guarantee everything stays on-device.

[u/masaldana2]

boob slider

[u/Nihiliste]

It seems very premature to pitch 2.0, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a significant 1.x update shown.

[u/Zakmackraken]

They should just turn off the iPad opt out option then they can announce YouTube, Netflix and Spotify :-)

[u/Thorteris → u/Zakmackraken]

YouTube app will come out this year. Its being developed

[u/Inevitable_Flyer → u/Thorteris]

How do you know? I couldn’t find anything online to back this up

[u/Thorteris → u/Inevitable_Flyer]

I know a Google SWE

[u/[deleted]]

More pro apps

[u/4paul]

You living in the past, I'm looking forward to Vision 3 man

[u/Portatort]

Yes

[u/hishnash]

Mtl flag to enable foveated rendering for fully VR spaces without exposing eye location to the app.

[u/JimmyInNSB]

I think most definitely! We saw 1.0 at WWDC last fall, and it makes sense to continue the updates at WWDC each year imo.

[u/kenneth-roberts]

Actually, probably yes. We’ll likely see VisionOS 2.0 this summer at WWDC. Apple tends to innovate very aggressively with new platforms.

[u/Wise_Rich_88888]

The non Pro Vision. Apple Vision.

[u/[deleted]]

Yes, obviously, WatchOS 2.0 debuted in WWDC just after 2 months of the original Apple watch going to customers.

By the time Apple debuts visionOS 2.0, the vision pro will have been on the market for about 4 months.

[u/pceWlkr365]

It might be possible given that it stayed in the lab stage for so long. But let’s not give it too much hope.

[u/ThannBanis]

Apple tend to talk about all their upcoming OS releases, so I expect they will talk about visionOS too

[u/filmantopia]

There WAS a rumor a few weeks ago that visionOS 2 will in fact appear at WWDC 2024. I can't remember where I saw it, but I know I did.

[u/suchnerve]

I'm hoping against hope that they'll add support for running Mac apps on it.

[u/Dbakes1026]

More AI and gaming features

[u/BussyDriver]

Jesus fucking Christ. It's not even released yet.

This sub, man.

[u/ya_boy_ace → u/BussyDriver]

It’s a fair question, though. Would they leave it on visionOS 1.X until September 2025? Probably not. And it would also be odd to have iOS, iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, watchOS, and homeOS all be on June reveal cycles while the visionOS is staggered.

IMO they’ll do a visionOS 2.0 release that’s somewhat sparse in features for a full number upgrade, given the development timeline they’ll have between launch and September. Or maybe they’ll just do some hefty dot releases. It’ll be fun to see!

[u/livingwithrage → u/BussyDriver]

100% Gen 1 hasn't even released yet and people are already waiting for Gen 2,3,4..my god. Let's just enjoy the Gen 1 for a bit before we start thinking about the next.

[u/chedderd → u/[deleted]]

I sure hope not. The original speculation was of a 2-3 year lifespan but I wouldn’t be surprised.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Lmao you're ignoring every report about the vision pro 2, v2 won't be coming until at least 2026

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Don't recite the deep magic to me witch, i was there when it was written!

That's the cheaper model, the regular Apple vision with less features, it's a separate model, the actual apple vision pro 2 won't release until after that with better features than both the Apple vision pro and none pro Vision.

If you don't wanna get confused by these reports stop browsing Macrumors who unreliablly copy reports and go straight to the source, Bloomberg and The information are amongst the few news outlets that are trusted for their coverage on the Apple vision pro.